The demise of plumber's butt crack?

[Liar]

Surely,

But kids are all about rebellion. And even adults ignore the laws that they don't like. (I can count on one hand the # of people I know that don't smoke 'weed')

Wow, that's fascinating. I can't count a single one that does. Maybe it's a cultural thing, weed ain't all that common here. People get roaring drunk instead.

#L

 

[Liar]

I said it before and now I waill agree with Liar. There is a problem when 9,10, 11 and 12 year olds are dressed to flaunt there stuff.

Not to mention that there is absolutely nothing to flaunt, so they souldn't bother. Maybe that's the message that those kids need to be taught. 'No, you're not sexy. You just look weird in those outfits.'

#L

 

[minsue]

Not to mention that there is absolutely nothing to flaunt, so they souldn't bother. Maybe that's the message that those kids need to be taught. 'No, you're not sexy. You just look weird in those outfits.'

#L

*standing and applauding*

 

[Guest]

I don't believe dress code laws for any one or any age will help. The responsibility lies with the parents always; this is only one side effect of capitalist consumerism.

Anecdote: My ballet teacher visited one of her student's jazz-dance classes once and was appalled to hear the male teacher yelling at the girls to "act sexy" (they were all between 8 and 12). She did not disrupt the class, but let the instructor know afterwards how she felt. Something like, "You cannot say to these little girls "act sexy"! They do not know what sexy is. Shame on you! Teach them to move to the music, that is all they need."

That was some 15+ years ago. Now our consumer society is telling little girls to act sexy, and their parents are playing along.

Perdita

 

[Sunnie]

Hang on now

You Americans, in the "LAND OF THE FREE" are some of the most puritanical people I've ever come across.

All you seem to want to do is censor everything.

Let us speak for ourselves, shall we? I personally don't give a rat's ass who shows what, when and where, if a girl wants to walk around looking like a slut, so be it. As for puritanical, you HAVE read some of my submissions, haven't you? lol

I don't think ANYBODY on this board has ANY right to demand censorship or anti-crack anything...considering some of the smut we all tend to wallow in.

That's just me though.

 

[Sunnie]

Sorry guys, just testing my siggy. I'm a *~*Virgin*~* after all. *resentment*

 

[lewdandlicentious]

Multi quote post here, apologies, but loads to speak about!

I think the low-ride fashion is ridiculous, and every time I see a rapper with his baggy pants hanging half way down his ass, my fingers itch to walk over and pull them ALL the way down - and run like hell!

Agreed, but perhaps it would be better to pull them up?? A wedgie might have the desired effect more!!

But, nevertheless, I defend every person's right to show thongs/buttcracks as much as they want, provided I still get to make fun of them.

As for the trouble girls could get in by flashing their thongs, hey, my opinion is that a girl should be able to walk naked through town without getting raped, coz NO means NO.

Regulating clothes by law seems stupid, to me.

Completely agreed! *Applause!!!*

Hey Lewdness, I hope you were talkin' 'bout the dudes in La. My only point was to rant about this coming up now cos of the girlies, vs. no proposed laws on all the wide-arsed working men.

P. (See, you're not being 'ignored'.)

Understood!

And,

yes, dress code by law is a scary though IMO, even if its intention are the purest.

But.. doesn't it disturb you when little girls, no more than ten, twelve years are dessed up, or shall we say un-dessed up, like a skin trade shopping window? I know it disturbs the hell outta me. I just want to step in and give their parents a good hard slap.

Totally agreed! Further comment below!

I have a newspaper placard at home that says The Court Took The Child - Parents Were Too Kind. The bottom line in that story was that the parents were allowing their kid to do exactly anything, however wrong. Kids of all age want to be like the older kids. The only problem is that who those older kids are that the young kids looks up to has changed in the last decade or three, from people around them (older siblings and friends) to who is the prettiest and most popular starlet face (and waredrobe) this week on TV.
#L

Have to disagree with you here.

I think it's very much the same as always. It's us that have changed and notice these things more.

Agreed that it's much more in your face now, due to the vastly increased level of media coverage these days.

Wow, that's fascinating. I can't count a single one that does. Maybe it's a cultural thing, weed ain't all that common here. People get roaring drunk instead. #L

That may be so but methinks you don't know everything about all the people you know.

I'll guarantee you do know some, if not a lot of people that smoke weed. YOU just don't know they do!

I don't believe dress code laws for any one or any age will help. The responsibility lies with the parents always; this is only one side effect of capitalist consumerism.

Anecdote: My ballet teacher visited one of her student's jazz-dance classes once and was appalled to hear the male teacher yelling at the girls to "act sexy" (they were all between 8 and 12). She did not disrupt the class, but let the instructor know afterwards how she felt. Something like, "You cannot say to these little girls "act sexy"! They do not know what sexy is. Shame on you! Teach them to move to the music, that is all they need."

That was some 15+ years ago. Now our consumer society is telling little girls to act sexy, and their parents are playing along.

Perdita

Indeed. This just proves that it's always been a problem. Again, the increased media coverage today simply compounds it all.

As a side note, as I alluded to above: Here in UK, complaints were made to our local Woolworths store (Possibly nationwide, I don't remember) because they were selling thong-style underwear for pre-teens. After complaint, common sense prevailed and all ranges were removed from sale.

As Perdita has said, all of this comes down to parental control.

The main problem lies in the fact that so many young parents today were never shown what good parenting is by their own parents. Of course as the population grows, the problem becomes more widespread, or at the minimum, more notice-able.

Take a young person, generally a young woman in this example, who has had bad parents.

Throw her into todays media focussed society with all the hype and promotions for looking sexy at all costs.

Add hormones, the type that make her want children very early, before she's had a chance to fully develop both physically and emotionally, coupled with intense peer pressure, party nights every weekend, and a general "anything goes" liberal attitude.

Result: Not always but all too often, a young mother either married or not, who has absolutely no clue or interest in being a good parent.

Sorry if that seems very "compartmentalist" of me, but that's how I see it.

And it's everywhere, not just here on my street.

 

[Liar]

That was some 15+ years ago. Now our consumer society is telling little girls to act sexy, and their parents are playing along.

Perdita

Ok, I was only a little twirp back then, fut from what I remember, our dear consumer society was in full bloom back then too. 15 to 20 years ago? That was the 80:s. The golden era of "be sexy". The big rolemodels for girls in my class back when I was 10 to 12 was no less revealing than today's icons.

#L

 

[Liar]

That may be so but methinks you don't know everything about all the people you know.

I'll guarantee you do know some, if not a lot of people that smoke weed. YOU just don't know they do!

Oh, I know much worse things about them than that. But then again, you never know.

Nor do I care, for that matter.

#L

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I went to Kappahl today, to buy some clothes. While rummaging through the bras that were on sale, I found one that was just WAY too small even for the skinny teenagers that you see walking around town. When I looked at the label, it was marked "10-12 years".

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I mean, COME ON! What are they supposed to put in it???

 

[dr_mabeuse]

It's the duty of young people to shock, and it's the duty of older people to be shocked. 'Twas ever thus and thus it will ever be.

In my day girls wore shorts so short that the bottoms of their cheeks hung out. People gasped and clutched their hearts and said much the same thing as we're still saying today.

I expect the next thing will be tops so short that the bottoms of the breasts will be exposed. All fashion is folly. That's what makes it fashionable.

---dr.M.

 

[shereads]

Re: Plumber's butt -

I can't recall the source but I remember someone saying she always wanted to get some fresh wall putty and spackle up all those exposed butt cracks.

Ewww.

 

[shereads]

It's the duty of young people to shock, and it's the duty of older people to be shocked.

True. And think how difficult it's become for kids to shock their parents.

It was easy for my generation to rebel. Boys just had to stop cutting their hair for a few weeks, and girls shortened their skirts - sometimes we shortened them after we got to school, by taping up the hems, and took them down again before we got home, but at least we knew it would shock our parents if they found out.

How do you shock a parent who has a pierced tongue? Can't be easy.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

How do you shock a parent who has a pierced tongue? Can't be easy.

How do you tell a mother about her child being a bully, when she's fighting down town on a Friday night????

 

[shereads]

I said it before and now I waill agree with Liar. There is a problem when 9,10, 11 and 12 year olds are dressed to flaunt there stuff.

God yes. Remember the video of Jon-Benet Ramsey? The six-year-old beauty pageant contestant with bleached hair and false eyelashes and red lipstick, strutting across the stage singing "i want to be a cowboy's sweetheart?"

Sick. Little girls being turned into a pedophile's dream date, to make mommy and daddy proud on the pageant circuit.

I agree with some of the other posters that the butt-code is unenforceable (I'm imagining Miami police officers being issued butt-crack measurement devices like the ones used to determine the legal size of lobsters. Is a quarter-inch of butt-crack acceptable? Is it the sight of the thong that makes it illegal?) But I've always been in favor of school uniforms. At least a uniform code keeps kids dressed as kids during school hours, no matter how irresponsible their parents are. It puts kids from lower-income families on a more even footing too, by eliminating the fashion competition.

Dr. Mabeuse or someone mentioned a Simpsons episode where little Lisa was shopping for back-to-school clothes in the "Junior Sluts" Department.

 

[A7inchPhildo]

Sick. Little girls being turned into a pedophile's dream date, to make mommy and daddy proud on the pageant circuit.

I agree with some of the other posters that the butt-code is unenforceable (I'm imagining Miami police officers being issued butt-crack measurement devices like the ones used to determine the legal size of lobsters. Is a quarter-inch of butt-crack acceptable? Is it the sight of the thong that makes it illegal?)

Exactly my issue. I have no such problem with teens running around half naked. It is the little ones who become a "pedophile's dream date". If the preteens and teens want to run around with backless pants more power to them. I can think of worse things they could do. I don't have to like it, but I would be a fool to think I can stop it. I think trying to stop it only enhances the reason they do it to begin with.

LOL I can just see the Miami police dept. They would have a plastic crack gage hanging off their belt. Thanks to Miami laws spring break moved to Daytona

dr.M

I expect the next thing will be tops so short that the bottoms of the breasts will be exposed.

Seriously you don't think that is going to be next. It was before the low-rise jeans. What do they call them, "Cut off, stomach shirts or Beach tanks" I think. Mainly made out of lycra material so they hug the breast like a mini skirt. Stupid looking if you ask me. I think double sided tape is used to hold them in place. LOL

Nah I would say the next trend is going to be lace or crochet pants like some of the see through shirts of today.

 

[Guest]

Dr. Mabeuse or someone mentioned a Simpsons episode where little Lisa was shopping for back-to-school clothes in the "Junior Sluts" Department.

Imagine if shops actually used that language, I would think a parent (people keep omitting dads here) might feel a bit of shame then. Here's hoping.

Perdita

 

[SensualCealy]

Okay, I have alot to say on this subject when it comes to the kids 10, 12, 13 yrs of age.

My daughter is 10, she is built like her dear old mom, she has hips and a bit of a tummy and I must say she is going to have a fair size set of breats when they make it past an A cup. Yes she is 10 and already is in a 36A.
Now on to the pants... try to buy pants for 'girls' that fit into missy sizes that arent low hung. I can not find any pants that fit up around her waist that are stylish. To date the only thing we can find are the nylon sports pants, she wears them for gym but not out in public.
As a mom Im forever telling her to pull up her pants her underwear is showing, she wears full briefs, she doesnt like the hip hugger ones , they feel like they are falling down all the time.
I dont like them dragging but I know the horror of having your mom hem pants only to have them too short or LOOK hemmed. I can live with the ratty bottoms.
I Will Not allow belly shirts, nor does she like them, she is way too self concious to wear them anyway. The rule at our school is that if your top and pants dont meet, you need to be sent home to change or wear your gym shirt. I agree with this rule and enforce it at home.
Kids need to be just that KIDS letting them dress up early shortens their childhood which is way too short now a day as it is.
I dont think Im a prude buy telling her no tight tops, keep the pants pulled up and only sheer eyeshadow no other make up.

If you live in Canada I dare you to try to find pants that your pre teen will wear that sit at waist level!
I think most of the blame should be put on the designers for not making all styles availible for all body types!
Cealy

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I remember hearing on the news where the little girls that followed and dressed like Brittany Spears were called "Prosti-tots". I try to keep my 6yr old daughter looking like a 6yr old and not a "Junior Slut".

ass crack is as rampant as regular crack.......OMG! I think I've finally become my mother!!!!!!!!!

 

[A7inchPhildo]

perdita,
"I like this Av of yours. It is almost mystical looking"
Really I don't think all parents think. "bit of shame" Let's be realistic I go to Home Depot and Christ there is Dady with his pre-teen dressed in a top that her miniture boobs fall out of, Pants so tight she has a 3" Camel toe and her T-back is 2"above her pant line. Not to mention the Farah faucet hair doo and the ridiculous makeup.
Shame! Here is a bunch of burly carpenters all standing at the register looking at this pre-teen ( I think 12 so she was maybe 14) hoochie displaying every possible crevice on her body. One might think dear old Dad would have shame. Not an ounce of it he almost seems proud the way his daughter brings on the attention.
That is just one I see it all over where the child is with the parents in public. I can't stop it nor do I have to stop it, But I will be damned if my child does not dress appropriate. She is a young lady not a pin-up poster board of advertisement.

The ones that really kill me are the boy shorts with "HOT" or "Booty" in big bold letters scrolled across the ass of some 11 year old.
Puke!

I would argue about the boys dress, but as stupid as they are today the boys still don't seem to compare with erotic looking clothes of the young girls.
_____________________
Cealy,
I can fully understand your frustration. At least at 10 she still loves mom and dad thus, is semi co-operative. Try telling a 17 yr. old There are many designs available on line. Ralph Lauren, landsend,Old Navy,Levi's. These are just a few that will custom alter clothing to a specific need and sell real clothes.

If not, seam altering is a common practice in most every town. Most towns have the little old lady with the tiny sign out front of the home. I think I pay like $4 dollars for a pair of pants to be done and like two if it is just a hem.

It is a shame though it has become a real chore to find real clothes. Why do designers force sexy on younger girls? Then again it is not much easier to day for older women to find nice clothing.
I can just picture my grand mother running around with low rise jeans on. Yeah that would make her more attractive! Or meeting a nice mid aged woman for the first time. And she is wearing tap pants, and a laytex top. Oh I would be impressed.

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ABSTRUSE,
OMG! That is too funy. Yes the picture part.

Thankfully there are still a larger percentage of parents who do have pride in how their child represents the family.

Phil

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Thanks Phil, I just think childhood is too precious to waste trying to be old before your time.
Even looking at some of the toys on the market today gives an indication of what we project as being adults. Video games also are a contributor to violence and sex.
Maybe I'm just getting older, but we need to teach our children to respect themselves and others.
~A~

 

[Guest]

perdita, "I like this Av of yours. It is almost mystical looking"

Hey Phil, just want to say thanks. Mystical? First time anyone's said that.

Perdita

 

[shereads]

Nah I would say the next trend is going to be lace or crochet pants like some of the see through shirts of today.

You and Dr. M are forgetting that God is calling the shots now, at least in the USA. The next trend for American girls is Christian Bhurkas.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

What would it take to make Dubya cover his face behind a bhurka?