The difference between luck and skill is duration

[TalkRadio1]

Donald Trump...72-year-old billionaire that beat the Clinton machine and the mainstream media to become the 45th President of the United States.

 

[HisArpy]

No. Skill is innate talent refined to usefulness. Luck is a gift from the Lady.

 

[CandiCame]

No. Skill is innate talent refined to usefulness. Luck is a gift from the Lady.

Talent is literally a pursued interest. That's what talent is.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Talent is literally a pursued interest. That's what talent is.

No, it's a gift, so named because of the parable of the man who gave his servants talents (a talent being a unit of weight and money, a notional man-load, typically about 72 pounds, so he gave each 72 pounds of silver).

 

[someoneyouknow]

Donald Trump...72-year-old billionaire that beat the Clinton machine and the mainstream media to become the 45th President of the United States.

With the help of a foreign government.

Lucky for Putin the con artist owes Russian banks so much.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

Donald Trump...72-year-old billionaire that beat the Clinton machine and the mainstream media to become the 45th President of the United States.

man it was your bad luck and my skill that got you banned, lol

 

[CandiCame]

No, it's a gift, so named because of the parable of the man who gave his servants talents (a talent being a unit of weight and money, a notional man-load, typically about 72 pounds, so he gave each 72 pounds of silver).

No, it's not. It's literally a pursued interest. Someone's talent can be directly measured based on how much conscious time and effort they put into something. There's no such thing as a "gift". Even if you're really good at something when you begin, that's no indication that you'll have a talent for it.

Talent is literally a pursued interest.

Say, for example, violin. I don't do instruments, but my brother does- my brother was naturally good at the violin. His teachers adored him- but he DETESTED band, he hated competitions, and he got out of practice. He had a heads-up as a kid, but as an adult he works for a television company doing a job he loves that he's talented in, that has JACK SHIT to do with music- and if you compare him to other adult violinists, he SUCKS ASS. Because he's not talented. You're not talented just because you pick something up quick as a kid- you HAVE to practice it. And you can't JUST practice it- practicing without interest doesn't make you talented. You have to both pursue it and be interested in it.

The psychological term is "deliberate practice". That's what we're colloquially referring to as "talent". Even child prodigies had YEARS of deliberate practice- they just started earlier. An 11-year-old who started training at 5 has still had 6 years of deliberate practice.

Psychologists have NEVER found anything like "innate talent", only "innate interest", which makes you WANT to practice something. Just because you can figure out how something works (like a violin) faster than other people doesn't mean that you'll develop a talent for it.

In fact, this idea that talent is innate HURTS PEOPLE, especially children. It makes them think that people are either successful or they aren't based on some innate bullshit- instead of that people who are good at things are good because they worked hard- which is the real truth. Hard work, deliberate practice, and perseverance are what create talent- not "gifts".

 

[TalkRadio1]

man it was your bad luck and my skill that got you banned, lol

It's my understanding TalkRadio was banned for violating forum guidelines.

What role did you play?

Please be specific.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Donald Trump...72-year-old billionaire that beat the Clinton machine and the mainstream media to become the 45th President of the United States.

Are you ascribing that to luck or skill?

 

[Kirkrapine]

No, it's not. It's literally a pursued interest. Someone's talent can be directly measured based on how much conscious time and effort they put into something. There's no such thing as a "gift". Even if you're really good at something when you begin, that's no indication that you'll have a talent for it.

No, the talent is your native ability; if you develop it, then it's a skill. Mozart was born with a talent for music, Shakespeare for words, Einstein for math and science, etc., and no doubt there are countless nameless others born with talents they never used.

That's why the word "talent" is based on the parable mentioned above: Two servants did something with their talents, the third did not.

This isn't like me arguing with Bot over what "capitalism" or "liberalism" means; "talent" is a word with a definite, accepted, and noncontroversial meaning.

In fact, this idea that talent is innate HURTS PEOPLE, especially children. It makes them think that people are either successful or they aren't based on some innate bullshit- instead of that people who are good at things are good because they worked hard- which is the real truth. Hard work, deliberate practice, and perseverance are what create talent- not "gifts".

Three things it takes to develop any skill: native talent, good instruction, and lots of practice. And talent, meaning inborn ability, is a must. No matter how much he took an interest in the sport and how much he practiced and who coached him, Danny DeVito could never have equaled Magic Johnson at basketball.

 

[CandiCame]

No, the talent is your native ability; if you develop it, then it's a skill. Mozart was born with a talent for music, Shakespeare for words, Einstein for math and science, etc., and no doubt there are countless nameless others born with talents they never used.

That's why the word "talent" is based on the parable mentioned above: Two servants did something with their talents, the third did not.

This isn't like me arguing with Bot over what "capitalism" or "liberalism" means; "talent" is a word with a definite, accepted, and noncontroversial meaning.



Three things it takes to develop any skill: native talent, good instruction, and lots of practice. And talent, meaning inborn ability, is a must. No matter how much he took an interest in the sport and how much he practiced and who coached him, Danny DeVito could never have equaled Magic Johnson at basketball.

In developmental psychology, talent is a pursued interest. It's not based on a parable. Lord, honey, you wear me out.

I actually think that the book attributed that quote in particular to like, somebody from pbs or someshit. It's not about where the term originated- it's about how using it your way DAMAGES children's developing minds.

Motzart was born into a family that beat gold records out of him like alchemy, he studied his entire life, his father was also a musician and had him at a piano pretty much from infancy. Einstein was studying math so hard his prefrontal cortex almost forgot to do language. Danny DeVita could have been an excellent athlete- you have no idea what he's capable of. He might have some kind of physical limitation holding him back, but athletics is not innate- it also requires practice and skill. Kinesthetic intelligence is a thing.

God love.

Edit: Yeah, and, again, I'm using it correctly and you're using it colloquially. This is like when you tried to argue me that you could call DaVinci "Leonardo" in a paper.

 

[Ann_Tagonist]

The difference between orgasm and frustration is endurance.

 

[TalkRadio1]

Are you ascribing that to luck or skill?

I attribute President Trump's success to a little bit of luck & a tremendous amount of skill.

 

[TalkRadio1]

man it was your bad luck and my skill that got you banned, lol

It's my understanding TalkRadio was banned for violating forum guidelines.

What role did you play?

Please be specific.

Not surprisingly, Mr. Moreno has disappeared.

Perhaps Mr. Moreno's root account (Luk) will come to his defense.

 

[TalkRadio1]

With the help of a foreign government.

Lucky for Putin the con artist owes Russian banks so much.

Please cite your source(s).