The Problems and Possibilities of Artificial Intelligenc

[John_von_Neumann]

Imagine a technology that can perform any human cognitive or physical labor more effectively, more reliably, and less expensively than a human. Now imagine this technology being mass produced and working around the clock, twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year. Forecasters differ on when to expect this technology, but it is on the horizon. Some say two years, some five, some fifteen. But it's coming faster than human society can adapt to the welfare of all its members. More and more economic sectors of human labor are screwed. In large swaths Gen Z is screwed. Now allow this technology to act autonomously, and to make decisions on behalf of human users. To amplify human intelligence for bad actors and good actors alike. If that doesn't constitute a paradigm shift for our civilization, I don't know what does.

 

[Hel_Books]

Imagine a technology that can perform any human cognitive or physical labor more effectively, more reliably, and less expensively than a human. Now imagine this technology being mass produced and working around the clock, twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year. Forecasters differ on when to expect this technology, but it is on the horizon. Some say two years, some five, some fifteen. But it's coming faster than human society can adapt to the welfare of all its members. More and more economic sectors of human labor are screwed. In large swaths Gen Z is screwed. Now allow this technology to act autonomously, and to make decisions on behalf of human users. To amplify human intelligence for bad actors and good actors alike. If that doesn't constitute a paradigm shift for our civilization, I don't know what does.

Just keep in your mind the image of a self-driving car swerving to avoid a plastic bag blown across the road and crashing into a telephone pole.

 

[Lazaran]

Think of recombinant DNA, radiation (including X-rays), tetraethyl lead, DDT, all kinds of technologies for which our understanding is or was seriously lacking.

AI is a whole different animal; full stop.

And I have conceded (actually embraced) the notion that PAST technological "advances" HAVE ULTIMATELY yielded less than benign results - and those technological "advances" don’t hold a candle to AI when it comes to “the potential for harm” (and, ironically, for healing).

The main difference with AI, is that we may not be able to address an unwanted feature of AI in the future, because AI will NOT allow it.

An AI overlord (terminator???) is NOT out of the realm of possibility (some experts in the field of AI believe it’s a probability).

And that ^ is a novel (disturbing) development.

 

[AlexBailey]

Just keep in your mind the image of a self-driving car swerving to avoid a plastic bag blown across the road and crashing into a telephone pole.

Are you saying people don’t do that? Or at least things similar to that?

Statistics prove that AI drivers have fewer accidents than human drivers. It’s been a while since I’ve looked that up so feel free to prove me wrong if I am.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Think of recombinant DNA, radiation (including X-rays), tetraethyl lead, DDT, all kinds of technologies for which our understanding is or was seriously lacking.

AI is a whole different animal; full stop.

. . .

An AI overlord (terminator???) is NOT out of the realm of possibility (some experts in the field of AI believe it’s a probability).

Now we're getting somewhere! You've said, "Some experts in the field of AI believe . . ."

I'm curious as to what they've said.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Just keep in your mind the image of a self-driving car swerving to avoid a plastic bag blown across the road and crashing into a telephone pole.

Are you saying people don’t do that? Or at least things similar to that?

Statistics prove that AI drivers have fewer accidents Than human drivers. It’s been a while since I’ve looked that up so feel free to prove me wrong if I am.

Indeed! But you said, " more effectively, more reliably, and less expensively than a human." Now you're saying, yeah, people do that too.

 

[Lazaran]

Now we're getting somewhere! You've said, "Some experts in the field of AI believe . . ."

I'm curious as to what they've said.

You’re joking, right???



Google is your friend, my friend.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Now we're getting somewhere! You've said, "Some experts in the field of AI believe . . ."

I'm curious as to what they've said.

You’re joking, right???



Google is your friend, my friend.

LOL. You're saying, in essence, "I'm right because it says so somewhere on the internet."

May I quote you?

 

[Lazaran]

LOL. You're saying, in essence, "I'm right because it says so somewhere on the internet."

May I quote you?

The PB already has its quota of tedious, pedantic fuckwits. Your attempts at vapid, banal, extended engagement are superfluous (extraneous???).



Meanwhile:

I am NOT saying what you say I’m saying…



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Experts' Warnings About AI​

Risk of Extinction​

Leading figures in artificial intelligence, including Sam Altman from OpenAI and Geoffrey Hinton, have issued serious warnings about the potential risks AI poses to humanity. They emphasize that mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority, comparable to threats like pandemics and nuclear war.

Concerns Over Rapid Development​

Researchers have expressed alarm over the rapid development of AI technologies. They argue that many companies are creating systems they do not fully understand, which could lead to unintended consequences. Some experts believe that if AI continues to advance unchecked, it may eventually operate beyond human control.

Call for Regulation​

There is a growing consensus among tech leaders that more regulations are necessary to manage AI's development. This includes calls for international oversight similar to that of nuclear agencies. Experts stress the importance of studying AI's impacts thoroughly to ensure safety and prevent potential disasters.



Hope that ^ helps.

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[Hel_Books]

. . . , comparable to threats like pandemics and nuclear war. . . .

There you go! "Comparable to" is what I've been saying all along. Important, but not hyperbolic. Just one of the things to worry about, like plastics in the ocean, nuclear proliferation, climate change, etc. etc. etc.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

AI will continue to displace workers, eliminate certain entry level jobs entirely, and create new jobs. It will never replace sales and service jobs that demand human contact, nor will it replace most trades jobs (ex. pipe fitters, carpenters, electricians, etc.)

Disruptive technology always brings chaos and discomfort in the short term, but in the long run it always improves our standard of living.

 

[Hel_Books]

AI will continue to displace workers, eliminate certain entry level jobs entirely, and create new jobs. It will never replace sales and service jobs that demand human contact, nor will it replace most trades jobs (ex. pipe fitters, carpenters, electricians, etc.)

Disruptive technology always brings chaos and discomfort in the short term, but in the long run it always improves our standard of living.

It's weird how the jobs change. The workers in bricks-and-mortar stores are replaced by people working in warehouses and delivery drivers!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

It's weird how the jobs change. The workers in bricks-and-mortar stores are replaced by people working in warehouses and delivery drivers!

Yep, and the demise of brick and mortar retail stores never happened.

 

[DraggonStone]

There is an episode of the original Twilight Zone that addressed this topic. 60 years ago it wasn't AI but automation.

 

[Lazaran]

There you go! "Comparable to" is what I've been saying all along. Important, but not hyperbolic. Just one of the things to worry about, like plastics in the ocean, nuclear proliferation, climate change, etc. etc. etc.

“Comparable to” PANDEMICS & NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION is a #win???



Also:

Saying the threat from AI is “comparable to” those other hyper-dangerous issues does NOT equate to the hyper-dangerous threat from AI being THE SAME as the threat from those other hyper-dangerous issues.

One could easily argue that the hyper-dangerous threat from AI is more pressing & profound than the hyper-dangerous threat from a pandemic or nuclear proliferation, because there are already mechanisms in place to deal with the latter two hyper-dangerous issues - and those hyper-dangerous issues are better understood.



Hope that ^ helps.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Indeed! But you said, " more effectively, more reliably, and less expensively than a human." Now you're saying, yeah, people do that too.

I was the one who made that statement, but it was referring to a hypothetical, future technology.

Self-driving tech is nevertheless improving at a fast pace, and service is expanding into new markets.

 

[Lazaran]

AI will continue to displace workers, eliminate certain entry level jobs entirely, and create new jobs. It will never replace sales and service jobs that demand human contact, nor will it replace most trades jobs (ex. pipe fitters, carpenters, electricians, etc.)

Disruptive technology always brings chaos and discomfort in the short term, but in the long run it always improves our standard of living.

Economically (there ARE other concerns), AI will further concentrate wealth in the hands of the few - ON TOP OF THE ALREADY GROSS DISPARITIES IN WEALTH DISTRIBUTION. And if the masses don’t have money to pay service workers or trades jobs???



AI is (could be) the ANVIL that broke the camel’s back - sans some major interventions (See also: Anthropogenic climate change).



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[AlexBailey]

Are you saying people don’t do that? Or at least things similar to that?

Statistics prove that AI drivers have fewer accidents than human drivers. It’s been a while since I’ve looked that up so feel free to prove me wrong if I am.

Indeed! But you said, " more effectively, more reliably, and less expensively than a human." Now you're saying, yeah, people do that too.

So you didn’t read the second paragraph?

Now you’re being a sea lion?

Yeah, hire yourself a driver - or get a self driving car. Which is more affordable and which is available 24/7?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Economically (there ARE other concerns), AI will further concentrate wealth in the hands of the few - ON TOP OF THE ALREADY GROSS DISPARITIES IN WEALTH DISTRIBUTION. And if the masses don’t have money to pay service workers or trades jobs???



AI is (could be) the ANVIL that broke the camel’s back - sans some major interventions (See also: Anthropogenic climate change).



We. Told. Them. So.

Yes, there are certainly other concerns unrelated to economics. Social isolation, kids and young adults making “friends” or falling in love with bots are already real problems today. I’m sure plenty of other problems will emerge, along with plenty of benefits.

Premature panic over anthropogenic climate change and the costly regulatory state that followed hasn’t changed the trajectory of climate trends but has resulted in tremendous economic consequences. The international community is finally coming to that realization. Hopefully we won’t see the same mistakes with AI.

 

[Lazaran]

Yes, there are certainly other concerns unrelated to economics. Social isolation, kids and young adults making “friends” or falling in love with bots are already real problems today. I’m sure plenty of other problems will emerge, along with plenty of benefits.

Premature panic over anthropogenic climate change and the costly regulatory state that followed hasn’t changed the trajectory of climate trends but has resulted in tremendous economic consequences. The international community is finally coming to that realization. Hopefully we won’t see the same mistakes with AI.

BabyBoobs is such an ignorant, gaslighting POS (a MAGAt).

MAGAt republicans sabotage everything and then say: “See, it doesn’t work”.

For example:

Government.
Healthcare.
The defense of Ukraine.
Immigration reform.
Taxation.
Justice.
Regulations.
Compensation.
Etc.
Etc.



BabyBoobs



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Democrats sabotage everything and then say: “See, it doesn’t work”.

For example:

Government.
Healthcare.
The defense of Ukraine.
Immigration reform.
Taxation.
Justice.
Regulations.
Compensation.
Etc.
Etc.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Lazaran]

Fixed it for you.

Nah. BabyBoobs just sabotaged my accurate post.



Typical MAGAt republican move.

Weak, pathetic, and lame.



BabyBoobs



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes, there are certainly other concerns unrelated to economics. Social isolation, kids and young adults making “friends” or falling in love with bots are already real problems today. I’m sure plenty of other problems will emerge, along with plenty of benefits.

Premature panic over anthropogenic climate change and the costly regulatory state that followed hasn’t changed the trajectory of climate trends but has resulted in tremendous economic consequences. The international community is finally coming to that realization. Hopefully we won’t see the same mistakes with AI.

Do you hate AI?

 

[gxnn]

At present, China has seen a nationwide enthusiasm for AI empowering various industries. It seems that if your industry does not adopt AI, you would be seen as a symbol of backwardness. Some industry events or professional competitions even disqualify participants who do not use AI in relevant content, which is somewhat reminiscent of the Great Leap Forward era.

The industry that has most maturely applied AI is probably the telecom fraud industry. Those scammers can be said to be experts in this field; they are very familiar with and proficient in utilizing various features of AI, making victims fully cooperate with them to carry out remote work.

The main problem AI currently faces is not a technical or application issue, but an ethical one. Before society as a whole is adequately prepared to use AI, it is better not to act rashly, as it might result in more losses than gains.

I feel that with the emergence and continuous development of AI, we will eventually return to a primitive era. Because in the end, no one will trust each other based solely on AI technology or similar electronic technologies. To get things done, we can only meet face-to-face using the most primitive and irreplaceable methods; otherwise, we won't know when we might be compromised.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

ai is almost everywhere

its gonna be like the terminator movies