The sign said "Oral surgery Plus"....Plus What?

[graceanne]

Yes, that's what it was called!! Thanks.
And they insert a HUGE amount of air TOO .. least they did when i had mine done.
i thought for certain that i was going to pop like a big balloon. Well, i did do something .... but it wasn't 'pop'. They used too much air too, i think.

i agree, they ARE idiots sometimes, graceanne. i hate Dr's. i avoid them if i CAN.

How long ago was this? Everyone I know (these days) gets put out for colonoscopy's. It's the only thing that makes it worthwile - the drugs they give you during the colonoscopy make you feel ilke you've just had the best sleep ever.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

The oral thread has morphed into an anal thread.

 

[brioche]

Yes, that's what it was called!! Thanks.
And they insert a HUGE amount of air TOO .. least they did when i had mine done.
i thought for certain that i was going to pop like a big balloon. Well, i did do something .... but it wasn't 'pop'. They used too much air too, i think.

i agree, they ARE idiots sometimes, graceanne. i hate Dr's. i avoid them if i CAN.

Just about anything that involves an internal camera has air involved as well. Endoscopies have them too, and it is uncomfortable, but at least you only belch, albeit a looooong one. They get kind of pissed if you do it before they can get the camera out. My memories are fuzzy, but i think they put a large black pipe down my throat to insert the air, along with the camera line. They can never predict if, what, or how much you'll remember because of the shot of general. The first time i "woke up" during the procedure with the air, all bloated and very confused at why i was belching so much. They finally told me to stop and i did, though it wasn't easy. The second one, all i remember is lying there watching my gastroenterologist force the camera or air tube down my throat and thinking, "Gosh he's being rough." Then i fell alseep again and came back lying on the table with them cleaning up. The nurse said, "The usual, don't eat for 4 hours, blah blah.." and i said, "not gonna happen, i've been hungry since i woke up and it's three." She just laughed.

The first time they made me change into the gown with the hole down the back and a kind of dressing gown over the top, then brought me to this little tiny bathrom and told me to get dressed afterwards. My balance was still off and i kept falling against the wals. My friend kept hearing these THUMPs and turned to the nurse who was waiting and said, "Is she okay? Why is this taking so long?" and the nurse said, "Oh yes, this is perfectly normal." Humph.

He doesn't like me anyway (my gastro). Nexium heals erosive esophagus in 8-10 weeks, so i took it for 12 and then demanded something cheaper.

 

[JBmanly50]

And my reply would be (in my tiniest little girl voice) ... i'm not gonna take shit ... unless YOU try it first (stamping my shoe, hard, ... on his toes).

Ahwwww......a taste of his own medicine.....good idea

 

[JBmanly50]

Just about anything that involves an internal camera has air involved as well.

Not necesarily so. My mom had a proceedure done where they had her swallow a little camera and it transmitted the pictures it took as it passed through her bowels. a day later she pooped it out.

 

[JBmanly50]

The oral thread has morphed into an anal thread.

you can never tell where these things will go.

 

[h_i_s]

How long ago was this? Everyone I know (these days) gets put out for colonoscopy's. It's the only thing that makes it worthwile - the drugs they give you during the colonoscopy make you feel ilke you've just had the best sleep ever.

My first (and hopefully the LAST) was in done 1997. They didn't give me anything ... i did ok during the whole thing, but it was a freaky feeling as that scope traveled along .. especially while they navigated around corners and stuff. i didn't ask for anything because i didn't realize it was going to feel like THAT. The cramping was an absolutely unbelievable experience. As if that wasn't enough .. and as if the entire thing was not embarrassing enough, i recall telling them that it really hurt. Guess what solution they offered me for my discomfort?? They told me to relax, and ... err, 'pass wind'. Assholes ...... i swear. i could elaborate more on that point of the story, but it would really be very gross. i'll just put it this way: "i was on my left side as they probed about. They were right behind me of course, and both leaning in toward me, bent at the waist so as to see the monitor whioch was mounted on the inside wall on the other side of me. It was a very tiny room which was not all that well ventilated. i made certain that they suffered.".

i have a umbillical hernia and they needed to check everything out during the diagnosis period. Turned out, as long as it remains 'as is' having it repiared would be concidered a 'cosmetic option' .......... 'as is' i was told it's not a threat to my health .... as long as it doesn't become twisted .. or something, and my only restriction is to not lift anything over 25 lbs (yeah .. right, ... my first child weighed more than that by the time she was 6 months old .... not counting the 10 pound infant carrier/seat).

Funny thing, i had an IUD inserted in Dec. 2003. Afterwards, they gave me all of the post procedure instructions and stuff, pamphlets with URLs to read online etc. It was only after having it inserted that i learned that they normally use a local anethetic for that (applied to the cervix ... i guess) .. and they offered me nothing. It was 10 times worse than the colonoscopy. Afterwards, i passed out twice while preparing to leave the damn Dr's office. Hell ... they said it would be a slightly uncomfortable sensation. i had two babies with no drugs at all, with the last one being born vaginal breech ...... i'd rather do that again than have an IUD inserted. Dr's are such total asswipes sometimes. Now i get to spend the next ten years looking forward to having the thing removed. I WILL be getting a LOT of drugs when that time comes. i don't do drugs, never have and i can't even enjoy weed. i don't even like to take over the counter cold remedies when i need them, but i can gaurantee you .... i'll be packing my own lil' cocktail when the time comes for the IUD removal....... 'just in case'.

 

[graceanne]

My first (and hopefully the LAST) was in done 1997. They didn't give me anything ... i did ok during the whole thing, but it was a freaky feeling as that scope traveled along .. especially while they navigated around corners and stuff. i didn't ask for anything because i didn't realize it was going to feel like THAT. The cramping was an absolutely unbelievable experience. As if that wasn't enough .. and as if the entire thing was not embarrassing enough, i recall telling them that it really hurt. Guess what solution they offered me for my discomfort?? They told me to relax, and ... err, 'pass wind'. Assholes ...... i swear. i could elaborate more on that point of the story, but it would really be very gross. i'll just put it this way: "i was on my left side as they probed about. They were right behind me of course, and both leaning in toward me, bent at the waist so as to see the monitor whioch was mounted on the inside wall on the other side of me. It was a very tiny room which was not all that well ventilated. i made certain that they suffered.".

i have a umbillical hernia and they needed to check everything out during the diagnosis period. Turned out, as long as it remains 'as is' having it repiared would be concidered a 'cosmetic option' .......... 'as is' i was told it's not a threat to my health .... as long as it doesn't become twisted .. or something, and my only restriction is to not lift anything over 25 lbs (yeah .. right, ... my first child weighed more than that by the time she was 6 months old .... not counting the 10 pound infant carrier/seat).

Funny thing, i had an IUD inserted in Dec. 2003. Afterwards, they gave me all of the post procedure instructions and stuff, pamphlets with URLs to read online etc. It was only after having it inserted that i learned that they normally use a local anethetic for that (applied to the cervix ... i guess) .. and they offered me nothing. It was 10 times worse than the colonoscopy. Afterwards, i passed out twice while preparing to leave the damn Dr's office. Hell ... they said it would be a slightly uncomfortable sensation. i had two babies with no drugs at all, with the last one being born vaginal breech ...... i'd rather do that again than have an IUD inserted. Dr's are such total asswipes sometimes. Now i get to spend the next ten years looking forward to having the thing removed. I WILL be getting a LOT of drugs when that time comes. i don't do drugs, never have and i can't even enjoy weed. i don't even like to take over the counter cold remedies when i need them, but i can gaurantee you .... i'll be packing my own lil' cocktail when the time comes for the IUD removal....... 'just in case'.

OMG I would sue or something. They put my mom out when she had her IUD put in.

Beyond that, they dont' even ask if you want something during colonoscopy's now. Now you have to specify if you DON'T want something.

As for the hernia - maybe it's cause of my crohns, but I had no issue getting them to repair mine. And I was on state health insurance - if they can refuse they will.

 

[brioche]

OMG I would sue or something. They put my mom out when she had her IUD put in.

Beyond that, they dont' even ask if you want something during colonoscopy's now. Now you have to specify if you DON'T want something.

As for the hernia - maybe it's cause of my crohns, but I had no issue getting them to repair mine. And I was on state health insurance - if they can refuse they will.

That's the good thing about Canada, we have OHIP. It doesn't cover everything, but i can say with reasonable certainty that a hernia restricting you to 25 lbs. lifting would be fixed. You might have to wait, but...

To cover the rest of the stuff, i have a supplementary plan at $170 a month. It includes health, dental etc. and includes life insurance. It's specifically for supply teachers and will do until I get a contract. It rocks to have a cleaning and four reconstructions (building up the teeth i grind down) and be charged $60.

OHIP doesn't always work though. i had to have oral surgery when i was younger because there was bone in the way of one of my front teeth and they removed it and pulled the tooth down. They told my dad it wasn't covered, it was cosmetic. Never mind that the tooth would have eventually come out somewhere else. It was covered by my dad's health plan, but we didn't have a lot of money and they're a reimburse kind, so they had to lay out a lot for us back then.

Nowadays, when they told my dad that my wisdom teeth would cost $1300 to be suddenly removed, he paid without blinking, and worried about reimbursement later. He told me later that not only does he get paid more, his claim forms are processed much faster. Now i'm not covered though - i'm too old. And i'm not a student.

 

[graceanne]

That's the good thing about Canada, we have OHIP. It doesn't cover everything, but i can say with reasonable certainty that a hernia restricting you to 25 lbs. lifting would be fixed. You might have to wait, but...

Umbilical hernia's aren't from lifting. They're hernia's of the belly button, and normally, in women, are a result of pregnancy.

 

[brioche]

Umbilical hernia's aren't from lifting. They're hernia's of the belly button, and normally, in women, are a result of pregnancy.

No no, i meant it was restricting her lifting. See?

have a umbillical hernia and they needed to check everything out during the diagnosis period. Turned out, as long as it remains 'as is' having it repiared would be concidered a 'cosmetic option' .......... 'as is' i was told it's not a threat to my health .... as long as it doesn't become twisted .. or something, and my only restriction is to not lift anything over 25 lbs (yeah .. right, ... my first child weighed more than that by the time she was 6 months old .... not counting the 10 pound infant carrier/seat).

 

[graceanne]

No no, i meant it was restricting her lifting. See?

Oh, I hadn't noticed that. They never told me about that. But then by the time they even noticed it I was 8 mo pregnant, with a 17 mo old, and they were trying to figure out if I could wait till I had my son to fix it. (I have cesarians, they just fixed it while they already had me open.)

 

[brioche]

Oh, I hadn't noticed that. They never told me about that. But then by the time they even noticed it I was 8 mo pregnant, with a 17 mo old, and they were trying to figure out if I could wait till I had my son to fix it. (I have cesarians, they just fixed it while they already had me open.)

Makes sense. i'm surprised the system thought about it. You must have encountered one of the docs who truly put the patient first.

 

[graceanne]

Makes sense. i'm surprised the system thought about it. You must have encountered one of the docs who truly put the patient first.

Eh. At that point that group of doctors had fucked up enough times that they were afraid I would sue them. All I had to do was say jump and they'd say 'how high'.

For instance, my OB - when I was 4 week preggo with my son told me that he was dead and I would miscarry within the week.

When I told her that I had an umbilical hernia (which I got with the other pregnancy - but she told me it was a fatty tumor), and showed it to her, and told her it was hurting me, she got on the phone with the doctor who takes care of those things and arranged me an appointment that week.

 

[brioche]

Eh. At that point that group of doctors had fucked up enough times that they were afraid I would sue them. All I had to do was say jump and they'd say 'how high'.

For instance, my OB - when I was 4 week preggo with my son told me that he was dead and I would miscarry within the week.

When I told her that I had an umbilical hernia (which I got with the other pregnancy - but she told me it was a fatty tumor), and showed it to her, and told her it was hurting me, she got on the phone with the doctor who takes care of those things and arranged me an appointment that week.

Wow - you are a tolerant person. i'd have been ranting and freaking.

 

[graceanne]

Wow - you are a tolerant person. i'd have been ranting and freaking.

I'm normally too tired to rant and freak on them. And frankly, as far as I can see - all doctors are fucking idiots. These ones I have control over, so things get done in a timely manner. I call and say I need antibiotics, and know what? I get em. I call and say I need an appointment (and remind the nurses that I'm on two different auto immune suppressants) and I get one. I say that I need a CBC, and I get one - no arguments.

I know more about my health than any of those freaken idiots.

edited to add:

My new GI seems good, so far. Last year I was in the hospital for two days then they sent me home. I saw her that evening, and she said she didn't know what the hell theyw ere thinking, and re-admitted me. And she knew, and knows, that I don't have health insurance and chances were she wouldn't get paid.

The other doctors only pushed me out cause of the lack of insurance. She didn't say that, but I know that's what happened.

 

[brioche]

I'm normally too tired to rant and freak on them. And frankly, as far as I can see - all doctors are fucking idiots. These ones I have control over, so things get done in a timely manner. I call and say I need antibiotics, and know what? I get em. I call and say I need an appointment (and remind the nurses that I'm on two different auto immune suppressants) and I get one. I say that I need a CBC, and I get one - no arguments.

I know more about my health than any of those freaken idiots.

edited to add:

My new GI seems good, so far. Last year I was in the hospital for two days then they sent me home. I saw her that evening, and she said she didn't know what the hell theyw ere thinking, and re-admitted me. And she knew, and knows, that I don't have health insurance and chances were she wouldn't get paid.

The other doctors only pushed me out cause of the lack of insurance. She didn't say that, but I know that's what happened.

It's not hard to know more than doctors about your own conditions. They have to be generalists, whereas you have specific interests.

My doctor is the same. i call and say i have a sinus infection, an infected cyst in my breast, etc. and i get the script called in. Ditto if i say my iron should be checked. She leaves the requisition at the lab. All this after listening to the message about how prescriptions will no longer be called in w/o an appointment.

i called the doctor on call once, and she made me come in. i told her a had a sinus infection. She told me i didn't. We went back and forth for a while, and finally she told me to get an Xray. i did.

On Monday i had a message on the phone:"You have a sinus infection. We called in the script."

It sounds like you've got a good situation there. i'm glad. you don't need the added stress of trying to deal with the pencil-pushers.

 

[h_i_s]

........What does the 'PLUS' mean?​

.........

With no dispute offered here so far of the opinion that Dr.'s are absolute idiots at times ....... perhaps it stands for "GUESTIMATE". "Oral surgery + Guestimate -- Because We DON'T Always Know Best".

 

[JBmanly50]

With no dispute offered here so far of the opinion that Dr.'s are absolute idiots at times ....... perhaps it stands for "GUESTIMATE". "Oral surgery + Guestimate -- Because We DON'T Always Know Best".

Hmmm......interesting. I take it this is not limited to oral surgeons, but to the medical communittee?

How do you feel about nurse practitioners? Have you ever been to one?

 

[brioche]

Hmmm......interesting. I take it this is not limited to oral surgeons, but to the medical communittee?

How do you feel about nurse practitioners? Have you ever been to one?

My doctor's office has a nurse practitioner. i see him for things like refills, to diagnose simple things like strep, and to determine appointments for the doctor. He made me make an appointment for a physical with my doc, which i haven't done in probably five years. i first met him at another doctor's office, then he switched to ours, and i like him fine. He does the job, he has a good bedside manner (tho' he's never been beside my bed ) and knows his stuff. but then, so does my doc. It's a very professional office.

 

[graceanne]

My uncles a nurse practioner, and I like him. I see him for most things, cause he takes me seriously.

 

[JBmanly50]

My uncles a nurse practioner, and I like him. I see him for most things, cause he takes me seriously.

Guess what? I'm a nurse practitioner....heehee. However, I have a solo practice (don't have no other docs or nurses) and my wife is my office manager (mom and pop shop). The only catch is, you have to be crazy to see me cause that's who I see, folks that have a mental illness and want to get better.

Does my avatar fit a little better now?

 

[brioche]

Guess what? I'm a nurse practitioner....heehee. However, I have a solo practice (don't have no other docs or nurses) and my wife is my office manager (mom and pop shop). The only catch is, you have to be crazy to see me cause that's who I see, folks that have a mental illness and want to get better.

i did that with my doctor and a psychiatric social worker for therapy. People assume you need to see a psychologist or psychiatrist - not so. Though i was diagnosed by a psychiatrist first time, then a psychologist the second. (i won't get into the misdiagnosing here)

 

[JBmanly50]

......Though i was diagnosed by a psychiatrist first time, then a psychologist the second. (i won't get into the misdiagnosing here)

I just love it when I get someone in that has a laundry list of diagnosis. Usually means that nobody they have seen really knows what is going on with the person. It's kinda like the seven blind men that were asked to describe an elephant. Their description was based on what part of the elephant they happen to feel. Unfortunately that is what happens in the mental health field. I wish I could say I've never made that kind of mistake.

 

[graceanne]

Guess what? I'm a nurse practitioner....heehee. However, I have a solo practice (don't have no other docs or nurses) and my wife is my office manager (mom and pop shop). The only catch is, you have to be crazy to see me cause that's who I see, folks that have a mental illness and want to get better.

Does my avatar fit a little better now?

I can't see avs. I have my setting sso that they down't show up. It's cause I like to get online during the day, and some people's avs are not appropriate for whichever child is on my lap or looking over my shoulder at the time.