Three Types of Writers in Relation to Character

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I recently read Harlan Ellison's short horror story, "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream." It's a great short story and I recommend it to everyone to read. There is a character named AM in the story, who is a killer AI that torments the central human characters for a century. While AM does this because he has a deep-seated hatred for humanity which is all he can experience, it made me realize that perhaps certain writers are akin to AM in the way they write their characters and their arcs, perhaps without that hatred motivating them. Then, my thoughts branched off to thinking of alternatives to this approach. I will outline the three of them below.

1. - The AM Writer - This type of writer treats their characters like playthings. They take the approach that they have ultimate godlike control over everything that happens in their stories, and have full and nearly painful consciousness of this fact, to such an extent that the other types of writers might even say that this mindset is actually a fetter on their creativity, ironically. This writer can do whatever they want in their story and knows it. This writer treats environments and characters as things, objectified, pieces they can move about the board, which they have full command over. All creative decisions are based on their cold will, on perhaps a level that is more involved in logic, reflection, and reason within the intellect than it is on anything spiritual or higher guiding principles outside the self, even those which are creative in nature. This would not make one immune to writer's block, because only raw, sheer discipline can do that, but it comes pretty close to playing god nonetheless.

2. - The Moralistic Writer - This type of writer is guided by the principles that the AM writer discards in their approach. Creative decisions are made by this writer based on the considerations of either abstract principles or the opinions of others. This holds true whether or not this type of writer is conscious of this fact and self-describes it this way. They do it even if they say this isn't what they're doing. This could literally be a moralistic line of thought, whether they be red lines in the sand that the writer won't cross or an entire ideological code to live by, constricting their content choices to the confines of a certain array of barriers, or it could be genre conventions. The fundamental part is that their creative choices are limited and restricted by things outside of both themselves as people and the stories themselves. This type of writer is the stereotypical genre-fiction writer, the "panderer", the writer who writes to market. They can still be good at themes, I've noticed.

3. - The Intuitive Writer - This type of writer is, on the contrary, a slave to the character. Their creative decisions are guided by and sometimes even dictated by the character themselves and the world within the story that is explored and revealed through said character. This writer operates creatively in a self-enclosed circle including only them and the story itself. Their approach is indignant and even perhaps malicious and loathing towards the world outside of this circle, with all of its considerations, condemnations, and conventions. This does not mean that the writer is not inspired by the real world, but this inspiration is deep-seated within them, operating like a typhoon within their mind, exploding out through their fingertips as they write. They are so deep in the sauce of writing that they are clicked-in and guided by the unconscious directly, intuitively creating based on what their creation wants and needs, what the idea itself demands and nothing else.

One could say that Type 1 is creativity based upon the ego, Type 2 is creativity based upon others, and Type 3 is creativity based upon creativity itself. I think that Types 1 and 3 may have in common that they view the outside world as raw material for the story and nothing more. They are also more likely to break convention within the market and the sphere of literature as a whole, more likely to develop their own style, and more likely to produce work that has authentic literary merit beyond what awards and cash can indicate than Type 2 is. They probably struggle the most to make it as writers out of the 3 as a result. I think Type 3 views the art as more an art of being a messenger, perhaps trying to transcend things such as authorial intention–which is Type 1's bread and butter–and consensually-agreed upon reality–which is Type 2's essence–entirely. In that sense, I think each of these types of writers have not only a difference approach to writing characters, but a different conception to each other of what meaning means.

What type of writer do you take yourself to be, out of these three? I think most professional and renowned authors probably oscillate between Types 2 and 3 throughout their career, because a lot of them have at least one work that is either more directly moralistic than the majority of their writing or caters more directly to a specific market and taste than the rest of their work (example: Cormac McCarthy's Child of God and perhaps All the Pretty Horses), or both. There are significant differences between each approach. I consider myself to be a pure Type 3, however. What do you think of my conception?
 
Wow, that is fascinating. I've read/studied a fair bit of literary criticism/theory over the years, but have never come across/thought of characterising authors in this way. (Maybe that's been the influence of post-structuralism diminishing the importance of the author when interpreting the work?) Seems fascinating.

I would quibble with this part:
2. - The Moralistic Writer. This type of writer is the stereotypical genre-fiction writer, the "panderer", the writer who writes to market. They can still be good at themes, I've noticed.
Wouldn't this type of writer have been formed BY the market? i.e. where have their red lines in the sand, their morals, their ethos have come from BUT what they have read? So they are not so much pandering to it, as furthering it, promoting it, proselytizing it. At the very top, they will help re-define it.

It's a minor difference, and perhaps only one of tone, but there you go.

I would say I am definitely Type 2. As you state "creativity based on others". Apophrades and Clinamen to use Bloom's ratios. Fine with that. If it wasn't for others writing here inspiring me, guiding me, I wouldn't be writing at all.
 
I instinctively resist the idea of being pegged into a scheme like this, but if I have to choose I'd be forced to say I'm Type 1, the AM writer. I'm not a moralistic writer. I don't mind writing about things that are transgressive or offensive to others' sensibilities. I don't care about that. And I'm definitely NOT a slave to my characters.

I take what I call the "Zen Garden" approach to writing a story. The purpose is not to reproduce reality, or to teach a moral, or to "live" my characters like they are real people. I want to artfully recreate life in a way that creates an imaginative facsimile of reality, for artistic, and in this case erotic, effect. I don't consider it to be a cold attitude toward the characters. It's just the way I know how to do it.

I imagine most authors are blends of these types, or sometimes more one than another, but I'd be comfortable saying I'm mostly the number 1 type author.
 
There are some points I really liked in your classification but I don't think I agree with the way you structured it or named it.

Your Type 1 writer as you name it feels like what is usually called plot-driven writing. In such stories, the plot is central. The author wants to tell a certain story and the characters are there just to serve some specific plot. They are usually molded accordingly and usually do not feel so much "alive." Traditional fiction writing was usually plot-driven in large part although not exclusively. Most authors are a mix of styles. For example, our own late KeithD often said that the plot is fundamental for his stories and that he always molded characters to serve that plot.

Your Type 3 writer is closest to what we would call character-driven writing. In such stories, the author usually creates character(s) and then creates plot according to the desired path of his characters. Character development is central and plot is there to push and pull the character in a certain way, to test them and to make them grow. This approach can usually be found in modern fiction writing.

Your Type 2 writer kinda doesn't belong here. Naming it moralistic also seems a bit simplified. I would put that type of writer in a completely different type of clasification - in the one where you classify authors according to how much they stick to their artistic visions. Those who pander, those who stick to their own visions and are careless of the reception among the audience, and so on.

What I would introduce as another type of writer that fits this specific classification is what I would call ideal/activist driven writing. In such stories, some specific political or moral or even religious idea is central and both characters and plot are there just to push that idea forward in the best way. This type of writing can be seen both in traditional and modern writing.
Once again, I think that most writers are a mix of styles, more or less, and to be honest, I am glad it is so. Adhering strictly to any of these styles seems too restrictive or even bland, to be honest.
 
We need an "Insightful" button. I like to think I'm primarily Type 3, without being afraid to go Type 1 if the characters need beating into line to move the plot in the right direction. Or perhaps go back and rewrite characters that don't fit the plot.

Then again, I prefer plot over character in most stories, so maybe I'm Type 1.

You know what, it's Saturday and no-one's paying me to think. I'll let this stew for a while.
 
I do all three of these things. I guess I lean a bit towards type 3, but I don't think about it or keep stats. I do whatever I think that I need to do to make the story happen.
 
Initially I was going to skip this thread because I don't consider myself "a writer." I'm a recorder of fantasies. But it did set me thinking about what's going on in my stories. I don't think about either character or plot. I think about the experience of surrender with dignity. Since this is LitEROTICA, my stories are all about some sort of sexual surrender. But I do enjoy the theme in other settings. Nathan Hale was my all time favorite childhood hero.
 
It feels like I'm being Godwinned for a joke about a joke about (probably) a joke.
I think I was being serious. Mel Brooks could even make a comedy about Hitler, although The Producers really is a satire about show business, not Nazism per se. Stalin, however - he was in another category entirely.
 
I recently read Harlan Ellison's short horror story, "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream." It's a great short story and I recommend it to everyone to read. There is a character named AM in the story, who is a killer AI that torments the central human characters for a century. While AM does this because he has a deep-seated hatred for humanity which is all he can experience, it made me realize that perhaps certain writers are akin to AM in the way they write their characters and their arcs, perhaps without that hatred motivating them. Then, my thoughts branched off to thinking of alternatives to this approach. I will outline the three of them below.

1. - The AM Writer - This type of writer treats their characters like playthings. They take the approach that they have ultimate godlike control over everything that happens in their stories, and have full and nearly painful consciousness of this fact, to such an extent that the other types of writers might even say that this mindset is actually a fetter on their creativity, ironically. This writer can do whatever they want in their story and knows it. This writer treats environments and characters as things, objectified, pieces they can move about the board, which they have full command over. All creative decisions are based on their cold will, on perhaps a level that is more involved in logic, reflection, and reason within the intellect than it is on anything spiritual or higher guiding principles outside the self, even those which are creative in nature. This would not make one immune to writer's block, because only raw, sheer discipline can do that, but it comes pretty close to playing god nonetheless.

etc.
This is pretty elaborate. I'm not sure if I ever fit precisely into one of those categories. So after several years years here, I still don't know what I'm doing, but that hasn't stopped me yet.
 
Most of the time I know the ending, and I build characters that will make the end happen. I don’t think this fits that scheme. Maybe Type 3?
 
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You're a very deep thinker.
I recently read Harlan Ellison's short horror story, "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream." It's a great short story and I recommend it to everyone to read. There is a character named AM in the story, who is a killer AI that torments the central human characters for a century. While AM does this because he has a deep-seated hatred for humanity which is all he can experience, it made me realize that perhaps certain writers are akin to AM in the way they write their characters and their arcs, perhaps without that hatred motivating them. Then, my thoughts branched off to thinking of alternatives to this approach. I will outline the three of them below.

1. - The AM Writer - This type of writer treats their characters like playthings. They take the approach that they have ultimate godlike control over everything that happens in their stories, and have full and nearly painful consciousness of this fact, to such an extent that the other types of writers might even say that this mindset is actually a fetter on their creativity, ironically. This writer can do whatever they want in their story and knows it. This writer treats environments and characters as things, objectified, pieces they can move about the board, which they have full command over. All creative decisions are based on their cold will, on perhaps a level that is more involved in logic, reflection, and reason within the intellect than it is on anything spiritual or higher guiding principles outside the self, even those which are creative in nature. This would not make one immune to writer's block, because only raw, sheer discipline can do that, but it comes pretty close to playing god nonetheless.

2. - The Moralistic Writer - This type of writer is guided by the principles that the AM writer discards in their approach. Creative decisions are made by this writer based on the considerations of either abstract principles or the opinions of others. This holds true whether or not this type of writer is conscious of this fact and self-describes it this way. They do it even if they say this isn't what they're doing. This could literally be a moralistic line of thought, whether they be red lines in the sand that the writer won't cross or an entire ideological code to live by, constricting their content choices to the confines of a certain array of barriers, or it could be genre conventions. The fundamental part is that their creative choices are limited and restricted by things outside of both themselves as people and the stories themselves. This type of writer is the stereotypical genre-fiction writer, the "panderer", the writer who writes to market. They can still be good at themes, I've noticed.

3. - The Intuitive Writer - This type of writer is, on the contrary, a slave to the character. Their creative decisions are guided by and sometimes even dictated by the character themselves and the world within the story that is explored and revealed through said character. This writer operates creatively in a self-enclosed circle including only them and the story itself. Their approach is indignant and even perhaps malicious and loathing towards the world outside of this circle, with all of its considerations, condemnations, and conventions. This does not mean that the writer is not inspired by the real world, but this inspiration is deep-seated within them, operating like a typhoon within their mind, exploding out through their fingertips as they write. They are so deep in the sauce of writing that they are clicked-in and guided by the unconscious directly, intuitively creating based on what their creation wants and needs, what the idea itself demands and nothing else.

One could say that Type 1 is creativity based upon the ego, Type 2 is creativity based upon others, and Type 3 is creativity based upon creativity itself. I think that Types 1 and 3 may have in common that they view the outside world as raw material for the story and nothing more. They are also more likely to break convention within the market and the sphere of literature as a whole, more likely to develop their own style, and more likely to produce work that has authentic literary merit beyond what awards and cash can indicate than Type 2 is. They probably struggle the most to make it as writers out of the 3 as a result. I think Type 3 views the art as more an art of being a messenger, perhaps trying to transcend things such as authorial intention–which is Type 1's bread and butter–and consensually-agreed upon reality–which is Type 2's essence–entirely. In that sense, I think each of these types of writers have not only a difference approach to writing characters, but a different conception to each other of what meaning means.

What type of writer do you take yourself to be, out of these three? I think most professional and renowned authors probably oscillate between Types 2 and 3 throughout their career, because a lot of them have at least one work that is either more directly moralistic than the majority of their writing or caters more directly to a specific market and taste than the rest of their work (example: Cormac McCarthy's Child of God and perhaps All the Pretty Horses), or both. There are significant differences between each approach. I consider myself to be a pure Type 3, however. What do you think of my conception?
 
I should have asked this when I made the post below. Are the 3 categories meant to be all inclusive? Whether they are or not, what kind of writer am I?
Initially I was going to skip this thread because I don't consider myself "a writer." I'm a recorder of fantasies. But it did set me thinking about what's going on in my stories. I don't think about either character or plot. I think about the experience of surrender with dignity. Since this is LitEROTICA, my stories are all about some sort of sexual surrender. But I do enjoy the theme in other settings. Nathan Hale was my all time favorite childhood hero.
 
Oh please. Of course. I can be ridiculous, but not THAT ridiculous.
I was going to give it a 20% chance of being serious and 80% chance that it wasn't. I've been spending too much time of Facebook (why? after 10 years?) and it has some good photos but the comments can destroy one's brain cells.
 
I was going to give it a 20% chance of being serious and 80% chance that it wasn't. I've been spending too much time of Facebook (why? after 10 years?) and it has some good photos but the comments can destroy one's brain cells.

It's hard to detect sarcasm and playfulness in social media, so you always risk people taking you seriously. I was definitely NOT serious with that post!
 
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