TIED TO A CHAIR!

[minx]

I'm in Indiana, and our camporees and summer camps host girls from all over the midwest. (including Ill.) Before you stick your foot into your mouth any further it might be a good idea to call your friend and make sure her daughter is not a Campfire Girl or a Bluebird.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Re: Dear, Dixon,

Whether anyone believes me or not is not the issue. I have memories of a brutal experience in total darkness

Do you have any bad Scouting memories to bring to the debate?

Easy boy. It was a valid comment. You're claiming torture in the Boy Scouts. You HAVE to know that that's an aberation, right? I'm asking for clarification. what happend to you, exactly? I didn't get the tied up and then have to navigate a course reference. It doesn't make sense.

Of course I believe you -- but obviously it was a fucked up troupe leader, and not the scouts or cubs that did this to you.

Hope you got over your trauma. Welcome to the Board.

 

[Isabella Thorne]

It's the left, right?

You're dangerous Isabella, hot stuff. I bet you took on the assault course with the zest and speed of a restless cheetah.

... you are a cheeky monkey now, aren't you darling? mmmmmmm

oh Minx dear ... I was thinking maybe that I screwed up which had a Girl Guide / Scout raises while making the promise ... is it the right? ... cause it occured to me too that the handshake is left-handed, right? lol ... no seriously though ...

You know Paul, I think it sucks when people in authority abuse children just to give themselves a heightened feeling of power ... we see it here in the news, too, from time to time ... scout masters ... priests ... teachers ... preying on young helpless children ... who are left with scars when they are adults. <hugs>

... and aha ... I knew it .. I told Rog ... all men from the UK like to dress up like women ... I've seen Benny Hill and Monty Python, you know ...
________________
Be prepared.
~Girl Guides of Canada Motto~

 

[minx]

Re: It's the left, right?

Originally posted by Isabella Thorne

oh Minx dear ... I was thinking maybe that I screwed up which had a Girl Guide / Scout raises while making the promise ... is it the right? ... cause it occured to me too that the handshake is left-handed, right? lol ... no seriously though ...

________________
Be prepared.
~Girl Guides of Canada Motto~ [/B]

Well, here we raise our right hands and shake with the left. I'm not sure what they do in Illinois.

 

[Always]

*raises one eyebrow* actually, she IS a Girl Scout and she IS a Pixie. I called up my friend - she says that her troop name (they got tired of being known by a number, so they picked a name) is the Pixies, and apparently the name caught on, cause all the Daisies in this area are also known as Pixies.

Oh, and before I shove my foot up your ass, I suggest you keep your I-know-absolutely-everyfuckingthing self in your little cage in Indiana cause you don't know jack shit that happens out here.

got it?

 

[Bobtoad777]

http://www.gsusa.org/girls/GS/About/allabout.htm


The five age levels in Girl Scouting are:

Daisy Girl Scouts
ages 5-6 or
grades K, 1

Brownie Girl Scouts
ages 6, 7, 8 or
grades 1, 2, 3

Junior Girl Scouts
ages 8, 9, 10, 11 or grades 3, 4, 5, 6

Cadette Girl Scouts
ages 11, 12, 13, 14 or
grades 6, 7, 8, 9

Senior Girl Scouts
ages 14, 15, 16, 17 or
grades 9, 10, 11, 12

 

[minx]

I called up my friend - she says that her troop name (they got tired of being known by a number, so they picked a name) is the Pixies,

So in other words, you were wrong when you corrected NH, I was just setting the record straight. And I obviously do know more than you do about Girl Scouts. Now if you want to get in a pissing match about it, that's fine. But if I were you this would be a good time to just admit you were wrong, and bow out gracefully.

 

[teresafannin]

I know that the Cub Scout Pack & Boy Scout Troop that my son was in never allowed any kind of hazing. I know that there was a troop in our area that got their charter pulled due to the hazing. We spent 6 years in Scouts & it was a very good experience. My son even got to go to Scotland as part of a contingent of American Scouts. My niece is a Girl Scout & my sister is one of the leaders.I called her & she told me that in their council, there is no such rank as Pixie. The girls start as Daisys & continue from there. Maybe some places are making up their own stuff, it has happened in other groups. I was in Girl Scouts for 5 years & enjoyed it alot, I just wish my group would have done more outdoor stuff, but it was the 60's. I learned so much about the outdoors when my son got me involved with Scouts. It may be politically incorrect, but scouting is a good program if it is done properly. I know that the troop we were in as Boy Scouts had a number, but also had a troop name.

 

[Adoratrice]

*raises one eyebrow* actually, she IS a Girl Scout and she IS a Pixie. I called up my friend - she says that her troop name (they got tired of being known by a number, so they picked a name) is the Pixies, and apparently the name caught on, cause all the Daisies in this area are also known as Pixies.

Oh, and before I shove my foot up your ass, I suggest you keep your I-know-absolutely-everyfuckingthing self in your little cage in Indiana cause you don't know jack shit that happens out here.

got it?

Good lord , I can't believe I am about to argue the finer points of girl scouts on a porn site......

The girl scouts of the USA is a national organization broken down into 319 councils..our council happens to cover 3315 sq miles & 29,884 members. Within that council there are 85 service units with 2000 troops.
Now to the point....anybody who has ever even attempted to deal with a Girl Scout council knows that it would be a cold day in HELL before they would allow a troop to change daisys to "pixies" officially. They may have been granted permission to call themselves the Pixies.as a nickname..but I guarantee that they still have to go by a number Officially. The Girl Scouts have always lived by a democratic process and while they do honor uniqueness ALL major decisions must be voted on and approved by council's board of directors, who make final decisions.

NOW.... there are SOME who are allowed to run troops who do not always do things "the Girl Scout way"...these are the same people who will take their girls rock climbing with out filling out the high risk forms or take them on day trips with out the proper permission slips signed and current photos & medical forms for each girl photocopied and given to each adult driver....

Trust me....I know what I'm talking about.
My conscience would not let me do anything pertaining to my girls that was not the "Girl Scout way"

Don't make me post the Bylaws.....


Janitor style:
I said a broom pusha broom
I said a broom pusha broom
I said a broom-pusha-mopa-pusha-mopa-pusha-broom

 

[Bobtoad777]

Wha I am surprised at is none has asked why i was able to quickly call up the websites of the girls Scouts and guides

 

[Gingersnap]

It's flying up not eating out at the Y Miss Scoutleader

Oh for fucking sake I don't believe it. A pissing match about the names of a demented group dedicated to traumatizing young children. Shit that was really keeping me up at night. As far as I can see Paul all the scouting movement did for me is give me a number of nightmares and three days of diarrhea. So keep your damn cookies and bite me!! I would sooner send my child to the corner strip bar to learn lap dancing.

Paul great pic on the cover of your latest. I think you would look charming in a violet red color with a shorter hem. It brings out the gold highlights in your rather amazing hair. You really should wear a slip dear.....

[Edited by Gingersnap on 09-27-2000 at 10:22 PM]

 

[CreamyLady]

I was a Brownie, and then a Girl Scout, but I ended up calling the Troop Leader a bitch and walking out. I was about 10 at the time.

She called my mom, of course, who gave me a mild lecture to the effect that while it was true that Mrs. Lucas was a bitch, it was much more respectful to not call her one.

End of Scouting.

 

[Guest]

Easy boy. It was a valid comment. You're claiming torture in the Boy Scouts. You HAVE to know that that's an aberation, right? I'm asking for clarification. what happend to you, exactly? I didn't get the tied up and then have to navigate a course reference. It doesn't make sense.Hope you got over your trauma. Welcome to the Board.

DCL - Paul has gone home to sleep off his hang-over, so he's not around to respond. He's a fairly polite lad, so I'm sure he would have thanked you kindly for the welcome.

I'm pretty certain that his harsh treatment at the hands of malevolent woggle-wearing elders was less to do with the workings of the Scouting movement and more to do with being brought up in Middlesborough - a particularly rough industrial town in the North of England. Tying a younger Scout member to a chair and ridiculing him whilst prodding him with dirty mops probably passes for entertainment in Paul's hometown.

About the "being tied up and then having to navigate a course" thing - I pointed out to Mr Vickers that that didn't really make a lot of sense. He just chuckled and shrugged his shoulders. To be honest, he doesn't really operate by our normal human logic. I'm sure something vaguely like that happened to him in his youth but that he has heightened the drama for comic effect. Not very good comedy, I'll warrant, but we were a bit drunk at the time of writing and Paul's sense of humour is kind of on the dark and surreal side (again, probably something to do with Middlesborough, which is a fairly dark and surreal city).

15 or so years on, Mr Vickers appears more amused than traumatised by the event. To be honest, the main reason he brought up the incident was because he was strangely amused by the melodrama of naming his strand "TIED TO A CHAIR!"

Bella - Paul's onstage dress-wearing was definitely less about trashy glamour and more about Monty Python / Dame Edna-style comedy

Paul great pic on the cover of your latest.

Yeah, it's pretty good, isn't it? Paul took that pic of his ex- down by the carwash.

I think you would look charming in a violet red color with a shorter hem. It brings out the gold highlights in your rather amazing hair. You really should wear a slip dear.....

Haha. He really shouldn't wear a slip, young lady. Anyway - he's dropped the old lady's dress from his stage show and now sports a rather fetching Japanese gentleman's garment, which suits his Harpo Marx-style hair just a treat.




[Edited by Roger Simian on 09-28-2000 at 11:26 AM]

 

[Gaucho]

I want to see if anyone has the same bad memories I have, which involve being tied to a chair, blind-folded, heavily mocked and jeered at while desperately trying to complete a simple assault course.

I cried my eyes out and said to my Dad I was never going back. Sadly he forced me to return on several occasions, where as usual me and other young lads were humiliated in front of a gaggle of middle-aged men.

How in the fuck did Raymond Burr get into this thread?

 

[Always]

minx, fine, whatever, just shut up, okay?

I'm moppin' all day long
Singing the moppin' song
Wax that floor, make it shine
Strip it down with turpentine...

-Courtesy of Spaz

 

[lala]

i agree with pyrolisk in the respect that i don't think this should escalate to such nasty language-

shila, i've seen your words do wonders to help people here, and i know that you are a good person. this doesn't change my mind, but i hope your anger was at the principle of being questioned on a matter you believe you are knowledgable in,...

this matter is definitely sensitive, and i am not the one to show such tenderness now, (or maybe i am more than ever)

i think we should feel this strongly about the things our children are exposed to- i would hate to see you all blase about such horror stories

i wish i had more soothing words, but i find myself at a loss, i guess i have to stick to my signature,...

 

[Always]

i think these stories are horrifying, and i apologize to minx; PMS gets us all. I'm admitting i may have acted unreasonably, but i had a bad day and nobody's perfect. I was in girl scouts; no hazing. never even heard about hazing until this thread, so i guess we learn something new every day.

 

[minx]

I cheerfully accept your apology, I got a bit carried away myself.

 

[Cheyenne]

I was in Girl Scouts for 5 years & enjoyed it alot, I just wish my group would have done more outdoor stuff, but it was the 60's.

Now that's something I can relate to! No hazing for me in Girl Scouts back in the 60's, but I did earn merit badges by learning to sew, cook, and bake! It just prepared me for 7th grade when I was required to take home economics and 8th grade where I had to take a sewing class. I still can't sew more than a button on a blouse.

 

[Adoratrice]

I have the same memories...ugh ...how boring....

Thats why I became a leader so I could change it, In the last year my girls have gone White water rafting, rock climbing, horseback riding, Had tea at the art museum, Held a Cinderella Ball and spent the night swimming at the YMCA among many other things.

They picked the Mall of America to go to next year for their 8th grade trip..( we jokingly call ourselves "Troop Beverlyhills")....and they have raised the money for these things themselves.





"Girl Scouts just Ain't what it used to be"

 

[teresafannin]

That is really cool that you have made scouts so interesting for your girls. I am in the process of helping the council in my sister's city to set up an archery program. I taught archery for years in Cub/Boy Scouts & had a blast. I wish all GS troops did outdoors activities. Many of my son's friends quit once they hit middle school because they wanted to canoe, rappel, camp, etc. Many of them joined Explorer Posts so they could do more high adventure activities. One of the things that impressed JM the most was the young women who could hike, canoe & rappel as good as, if not better than the boys, but still be girls that you could take to a dance. I guess we were lucky with our scouting experience because I have terrific memories of my son as a scout. He had earned his Life rank before getting so involved with school, job, buying a car,etc. After his death, his former Scoutmaster told me that he had approached the troop about rejoining, finishing his Eagle & staying on to work with the younger scouts.