Time To Legalise Recreational Drugs

[someoneyouknow]

The Dutch approach has been to treat drug abuse as a public health problem rather than as a criminal problem. Treating it as a health problem means the state/society does give addicts a hand up with tax-funded treatment. If you have a problem with that, you are the problem. Mean-minded "begrudger" thinking is most of what's wrong with America.

Since no one is forcing people to take drugs, it's not a health issue. Having a bad heart is a health issue.

When you deliberately go out of your way to screw up your body by ingesting/snorting/smoking/shooting stuff which is known to cause issues, it's not my problem. It's yours.

What you and others want is to be completely free of any consequence. People shouldn't be penalized because of your actions by having their money taken from them.

Personal responsibility. Look it up some time. You might be surprised.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Since no one is forcing people to take drugs, it's not a health issue. Having a bad heart is a health issue.

When you deliberately go out of your way to screw up your body by ingesting/snorting/smoking/shooting stuff which is known to cause issues, it's not my problem. It's yours.

What you and others want is to be completely free of any consequence. People shouldn't be penalized because of your actions by having their money taken from them.

Personal responsibility. Look it up some time. You might be surprised.

Addictions are very much health issues as are the results of taking drugs. It's a different kind of health issue I grant you but still a health issue.

Yes, I do want to be completely free of any consequence. It's clearly not working to give consequences out.

Personal responsibility. Turned America into a police state. GREAT POLICY!

 

[someoneyouknow]

Addictions are very much health issues as are the results of taking drugs. It's a different kind of health issue I grant you but still a health issue.

Yes, I do want to be completely free of any consequence. It's clearly not working to give consequences out.

Personal responsibility. Turned America into a police state. GREAT POLICY!

They're only a health issue because someone made the choice to do drugs. Don't do drugs, no health issue. See how that works?

There hasn't been squat as to consequences. If we really wanted to have consequences for drug use we'd be shooting the dealers and forcing everyone into rehab, no matter the health consequences for the person.

A police state, of which we're not there yet, is the complete opposite of personal responsibility. People who take responsibility for their actions would understand there are consequences to their choices. Drug users, by their nature, have no personal responsibility.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Since no one is forcing people to take drugs, it's not a health issue. Having a bad heart is a health issue.

So since no one is forcing people to eat like shit and be lazy fucks with beetus n' cancer all day are those not health issues either?

When you deliberately go out of your way to screw up your body by ingesting/snorting/smoking/shooting stuff which is known to cause issues, it's not my problem. It's yours.

No, it's societies, because we all live with each other, it is your problem attempts to shirk responsibility aside.

What you and others want is to be completely free of any consequence. People shouldn't be penalized because of your actions by having their money taken from them.

But you support exactly that going the prison route too.....and prison is far more expensive.

Personal responsibility. Look it up some time. You might be surprised.

I love when folks like you go off talking about personal responsibility.....after they bitch about how they shouldn't have to pay taxes. LMFAO

 

[BotanyBoy]

They're only a health issue because someone made the choice to do drugs. Don't do drugs, no health issue. See how that works?

So when you get diabeetus from eating HFC and complex carbs you will announce your lack of personal responsibility and totally reject any medical help except what you can provide yourself right?

What about all the heart disease and cancer from shitty health practices? Those aren't health issues right?

No I don't see how that works...I see lots of sick/fucked up Americans, what do you suppose we do with them b/c lectures about personal responsibility aren't making them go away. Ever.

There hasn't been squat as to consequences. If we really wanted to have consequences for drug use we'd be shooting the dealers and forcing everyone into rehab, no matter the health consequences for the person.

Oh I guess 20 year mandatory minimums are nothing....

As long as we shoot bar keeps, liquor store owners, BK, McD's, tobacco, every pharmaceutical out there, Coffee makers/shops and anyone making/selling high fructose corn syrup products as well.

Sound good?

A police state, of which we're not there yet, is the complete opposite of personal responsibility. People who take responsibility for their actions would understand there are consequences to their choices.

20 years in prison for a flower that kills 0 people each year and has never been found to kill anyone ever in the entire recorded history of medicine.

How is that not a police state?

Drug users, by their nature, have no personal responsibility.

I know tons of coffee drinkers that would disagree.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They're only a health issue because someone made the choice to do drugs. Don't do drugs, no health issue. See how that works?

It makes no difference. It's a health issue.

There hasn't been squat as to consequences. If we really wanted to have consequences for drug use we'd be shooting the dealers and forcing everyone into rehab, no matter the health consequences for the person.

Sorry, didn't know you a super hard core police state supporter.

A police state, of which we're not there yet, is the complete opposite of personal responsibility. People who take responsibility for their actions would understand there are consequences to their choices. Drug users, by their nature, have no personal responsibility.

I'm sorry, this response is stupid I have to ask you a question.

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[BotanyBoy]

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I sense jen....

 

[KingOrfeo]

Since no one is forcing people to take drugs, it's not a health issue. Having a bad heart is a health issue.

A health problem is a health problem. If we try to separate out those caused by your own bad choices from those life just does to you, we'll never come to the end of it; many are both at once. It is better for the government and for the health-care profession/industry to treat all health problems alike, while still discouraging (but not always forbidding) behaviors known to be unhealthy.

 

[someoneyouknow]

A health problem is a health problem. If we try to separate out those caused by your own bad choices from those life just does to you, we'll never come to the end of it; many are both at once. It is better for the government and for the health-care profession/industry to treat all health problems alike, while still discouraging (but not always forbidding) behaviors known to be unhealthy.

To answer all the whiners in one shot:

Your health is not my responsibility. Period. If your claim is it is my responsibility, then it is my option to get the most bang for my buck which means I get to do what it takes to help you lead as healthy a life as possible. That means for the obese, posting their pictures at restaurants and saying they only get to eat salads.

For smokers, yanking the cigarette out of their mouths. For alcoholics, again, putting up signs at bars and stores telling them they're not allowed to purchase alcohol.

Instead, what you want is to do whatever you want and have me pay for it because you're too lazy/incompetent/stupid/selfish to take care of yourself.

To whomever: I never said anything about not paying taxes. If you're referring to Obamneycare (remember, it was a Republican which got this whole thing rolling), it's not a tax. Taxes are levied by the government to be used for governmental operations. Explain how being forced to hand over money to a private company, which is what Obamneycare does, is a tax. The money doesn't go to the government and it doesn't get used by the government.

Further, Obama himself said it wasn't a tax and no where in the legislation does it say it's a tax. Instead, it says people must hand over their money to a private company. Not a tax. Just because an activist Republican Supreme Court Justice read something into the law which doesn't exist doesn't make it so.

Since people choose to use drugs, and people whine about government interference in their personal lives, you can't now come back and want the government interfere in your life. Unless you're taking the stance of Wall Street and the banks who whined endlessly about regulation killing their business then coming hat in hand to the government to bail them out.

People whine about the government interfering in their personal lives and the choices they make, well here ya go. Do all the drugs you want but the government shouldn't be there to pick you up out of the gutter. Unless you're being a hypocrite and saying you want government interference in your lives.

 

[Sean Renaud]

To answer all the whiners in one shot:

Your health is not my responsibility. Period. If your claim is it is my responsibility, then it is my option to get the most bang for my buck which means I get to do what it takes to help you lead as healthy a life as possible. That means for the obese, posting their pictures at restaurants and saying they only get to eat salads.

For smokers, yanking the cigarette out of their mouths. For alcoholics, again, putting up signs at bars and stores telling them they're not allowed to purchase alcohol.

Instead, what you want is to do whatever you want and have me pay for it because you're too lazy/incompetent/stupid/selfish to take care of yourself.

It is your responsibility, as for getting the ost bang out of your buck, well good luck convincing America that those are viable ways to handle those issues but you're more than welcome to try if you want to. I doubt you will. It's good you admit you want a police state.

To whomever: I never said anything about not paying taxes. If you're referring to Obamneycare (remember, it was a Republican which got this whole thing rolling), it's not a tax. Taxes are levied by the government to be used for governmental operations. Explain how being forced to hand over money to a private company, which is what Obamneycare does, is a tax. The money doesn't go to the government and it doesn't get used by the government.

It's not a tax, in the technical sense. I don't really bother differentiating between one way you take my money without my consent and another way you take my money without my consent. The important detail is I don't get a huge amount of choice. Though I guess here I do have options.

Further, Obama himself said it wasn't a tax and no where in the legislation does it say it's a tax. Instead, it says people must hand over their money to a private company. Not a tax. Just because an activist Republican Supreme Court Justice read something into the law which doesn't exist doesn't make it so.

Again, correct.

Since people choose to use drugs, and people whine about government interference in their personal lives, you can't now come back and want the government interfere in your life. Unless you're taking the stance of Wall Street and the banks who whined endlessly about regulation killing their business then coming hat in hand to the government to bail them out.

Yes we very well can and are. I don't even see what you're trying to say.

People whine about the government interfering in their personal lives and the choices they make, well here ya go. Do all the drugs you want but the government shouldn't be there to pick you up out of the gutter. Unless you're being a hypocrite and saying you want government interference in your lives.

Yes the government should and ultimately has to be there to pick me up out of the gutter and that doesn't mean I want them telling me what to do. Deal with it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

To answer all the whiners in one shot:

Your health is not my responsibility. Period.

Sorry...you live in the US of A....it is your responsibility and that's why you're going to give the government money for it.

People whine about the government interfering in their personal lives and the choices they make, well here ya go. Do all the drugs you want but the government shouldn't be there to pick you up out of the gutter. Unless you're being a hypocrite and saying you want government interference in your lives.

Just because you don't want HC for drug users instead of prison does not make you a hypocrite, you're just scraping bullshit the best you can from the bottom of that barrel trying to make your RWCJ point.

Bottom line is education, regulation and treatment is a more effective, cheaper solution that doesn't clog up/break our justice system like our current prohibition/prison state methodology of dealing with societies drug habits.

You can kick and scream about it all you want, your inner nixon/reagan can spaz to your hearts content but it doesn't change the fact that the internet has made getting the word out easy and people will gravitate towards a cheaper if not profitable methods of dealing with societies drug habits.

Sorry you and vettemans prison/police state paradise idea sucks and is currently being re-fuckin-jected by the citizens of this fine country.....deal with it or move to Iran.