Tipping cows

[CandiCame]

Dial the SPCA

Oh, I forgot to answer this, but since you know about cows you should know that horses aren't a priority for the animal control people. The ASPCA is a little better, but the branch around here is way too thin for something like this. I actually have called them but they haven't made it out yet. The government doesn't really care about horses. I'm from Kentucky. Much of our economy is built on animal abuse. The Equestrian society folk are good to their horses but behind the scenes there's a LOT of horse abuse. I really don't forsee that call accomplishing anything. These aren't thoroughbreds, they're livestock. Nobody gives a shit, plain and simple.

 

[Riles]

Yeah. I spent every summer of my life on a free range dairy farm. It's why I'm not a fan of them. Those fuckers have eaten my hair, thrown me into electric fences, broken my toys on purpose, pushed me into rivers, broken cars in front of me, given me ticks- gave me ticks a LOT actually. I really didn't want to go because I KNEW that I'd get ticks. That's really the worst part.

Don't really want to get into a gendered debate because that's a huge thing among breeders but yes, your females should have comparable size and strength because if they don't and you're free range they're going to sustain intense breeding related injuries. And it's this whole fucking... thing. There's a bunch of animal husbandry tools and practices to combat the difference if you're going for that, but most small farms tend not to do that and the reason that you condition for the difference, and you have to condition for it, is for meat purposes, and so if you're primary dairy it's not as important and blahblahblah, AND there are a ton of different cattle breeds on top of that, some of which have greater levels of sexual dimorphism than others and on and on and on.

My point is and always has been, it's not smart to try to push a cow over because it will injure you very severely or possibly kill you.

You sure had a lot of points. All good ones.

I have just a couple.

Muscle mass. Cows and bulls, regardless of height do not carry muscle the same muscle mass, due to a little thing called testosterone. Cows are selected on breediń qualities that ensure ease of birth, which is why when one buys a bull you look at the calf birth weight records and if it was assisted.

Bulls' mature size does not equal huge calves. See above with birthweights.

I don't have time for more, but it's interesting to see your take only from the dairy world. Commercial beef is a different beast.

Also, I am Canadian, I don't know the state of your system down there, but up here, given the hay shortage two years ago and the racing industry tanking, the eye on large animal welfare has been more critical. Agricultural or otherwise.

Cheers!

 

[CandiCame]

You sure had a lot of points. All good ones.

I have just a couple.

Muscle mass. Cows and bulls, regardless of height do not carry muscle the same muscle mass, due to a little thing called testosterone. Cows are selected on breediń qualities that ensure ease of birth, which is why when one buys a bull you look at the calf birth weight records and if it was assisted.

Bulls' mature size does not equal huge calves. See above with birthweights.

I don't have time for more, but it's interesting to see your take only from the dairy world. Commercial beef is a different beast.

Also, I am Canadian, I don't know the state of your system down there, but up here, given the hay shortage two years ago and the racing industry tanking, the eye on large animal welfare has been more critical. Agricultural or otherwise.

Cheers!

Oh honey... if you care about your critters you do NOT want to come to the states. Livestock animals are immune to animal cruelty laws so that we can factory farm. There are zero protections under the law. There are slaughter regulations, but as long as they're on the farm anything goes. Hell, in Kentucky you can torture them physically, mentally- and sexually. We don't even have beastiality laws. Down here you can slit a cow open and fuck the wound. Might get some weird looks but you won't go to jail.

Edit: Here's some super disturbing reading material: http://aldf.org/resources/advocating-for-animals/farmed-animals-and-the-law/

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_States

I live in a state where there is a Brony festival dedicated to fucking your pet horse- and I can't marry my boyfriend. Pri-fucking-orities, Kentucky.

 

[Mike_Yates]

Oh honey... if you care about your critters you do NOT want to come to the states. Livestock animals are immune to animal cruelty laws so that we can factory farm. There are zero protections under the law. There are slaughter regulations, but as long as they're on the farm anything goes. Hell, in Kentucky you can torture them physically, mentally- and sexually. We don't even have beastiality laws. Down here you can slit a cow open and fuck the wound. Might get some weird looks but you won't go to jail.

Edit: Here's some super disturbing reading material: http://aldf.org/resources/advocating-for-animals/farmed-animals-and-the-law/

And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_States

I live in a state where there is a Brony festival dedicated to fucking your pet horse- and I can't marry my boyfriend. Pri-fucking-orities, Kentucky.

Baby ducklings are ground up alive in shredders at certain chicken farms, and they are usually run by large agriculture corporations.

Peaceful and well-meaning animal rights activists who go undercover to expose these atrocities and obvious moral wrongs or if they publicly protest the torture of animals by corporations in the name of corporate greed, are branded as terrorists and added to a federal watch list.

Due to the number of people being branded as terrorists by the US government for peacefully and lawfully protesting the greed and corruption of corporate interests, It's obvious that corporations are more powerful than the federal government. Innocent citizens being wrongly branded as criminals and terrorists for protesting corporate interests is known as corporate repression, which is illegal under our constitution.

What evil, greedy, and destructive businesses do to innocent and helpless animals at slaughterhouses and factory farms in America (for profit/shareholder value/greater executive pay/economic materialism) is a far cry away to what happens in other countries. In China, cats and dogs (including kittens and puppies) are skinned ALIVE at fur factories. Usually it is required and strictly enforced that the animal must be euthanized before it is skinned, but in China the skinnings are done live in order not to damage their fur and ensure the quality the product.

And for the record, there are NO laws against animal cruelty whatsoever in China, ZERO, ZIP, NADA!

 

[CandiCame]

Baby ducklings are ground up alive in shredders at certain chicken farms, and they are usually run by large agriculture corporations.

Peaceful and well-meaning animal rights activists who go undercover to expose these atrocities and obvious moral wrongs or if they publicly protest the torture of animals by corporations in the name of corporate greed, are branded as terrorists and added to a federal watch list.

Due to the number of people being branded as terrorists by the US government for peacefully and lawfully protesting the greed and corruption of corporate interests, It's obvious that corporations are more powerful than the federal government. Innocent citizens being wrongly branded as criminals and terrorists for protesting corporate interests is known as corporate repression, which is illegal under our constitution.

What evil, greedy, and destructive businesses do to innocent and helpless animals at slaughterhouses and factory farms in America (for profit/shareholder value/greater executive pay/economic materialism) is a far cry away to what happens in other countries. In China, cats and dogs (including kittens and puppies) are skinned ALIVE at fur factories. Usually it is required and strictly enforced that the animal must be euthanized before it is skinned, but in China the skinnings are done live in order not to damage their fur and ensure the quality the product.

And for the record, there are NO laws against animal cruelty whatsoever in China, ZERO, ZIP, NADA!

Mike, not for nothing, but nobody skins animals alive. It would ruin the pelt. I mean, I skin animals... fairly frequently, and it's not the easiest thing in the world to do on a corpse. Trying to do that on a living critter would be impossible, expensive, and dangerous. That's a rumor that was started by PETA that turned out to be a publicity stunt. In which PETA, once again, tortured animals for money. It's kind of their thing.

https://m.facebook.com/notes/real-women-wear-fur/peta-admits-skinned-alive-is-a-myth-and-they-intentionally-slander-chinese/701702739844129/

No furrier anywhere would ever skin an animal alive. Even if they were painfully unethical because it would ruin the pelt.

 

[Que]

They usually have a long(ish) and prosperous life.

Steers on the other hand...

The process of becoming a steer makes circumcision seem a delight.

Tex Earnhardt used to have this huge fiberglass steer in his commercials. "...and that ain't no bull, folks!"