Title 22 USC Section 1732

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[Sean]

This is the guy that illegally drove a car load of guns across the border? How exactly are his rights being denied?

 

[FGB]

Yeah Right.

This is Obama we are talking about.

The marine isn't Middle Eastern, Anti-American enough.

Yes...I said it.

and didn't stutter either.

 

[Sean]

Yeah Right.

This is Obama we are talking about.

The marine isn't Middle Eastern, Anti-American enough.

Yes...I said it.

and didn't stutter either.

Did he break the law in Mexico?

 

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[Sean]

You don't have a clue what the circumstances are so please refrain from injecting your ignorance, thanks.

Did he break the law in Mexico?

 

[Sean Renaud]

You don't have a clue what the circumstances are so please refrain from injecting your ignorance, thanks.

Neither do you. If the story as told is to be believed though he broke Mexican Law.

 

[Wrong Element]

The law says "any citizen."

It also says "unjustly." You're not suggesting that American citizens have the right to violate the laws of other countries, I assume?

 

[RjThoughts]

On face value, this former Marine is no better than a drunken college student that pissed on a light fixture in Tijuana.

He broke Mexican law while not being an official agent of the U.S.

 

[Sean Renaud]

On face value, this former Marine is no better than a drunken college student that pissed on a light fixture in Tijuana.

He broke Mexican law while not being an official agent of the U.S.

You don't know the circumstances!

 

[RjThoughts]

You don't know the circumstances!

First three words of my post...

On face value

 

[RobDownSouth]

On face value, this former Marine is no better than a drunken college student that pissed on a light fixture in Tijuana.

He broke Mexican law while not being an official agent of the U.S.

There you go again, injecting facts and reason into a perfectly good Vetterant!


Now then, assume a drunk, mentally unstable Mexican soldier crashed our borders and drove into this country with a car full of loaded weapons.

What would Vetty's response be then? Besides shrieking in terror and dropping a doughy pantload?

 

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[cjh]

Once he was forced into Mexico by traffic conditions, the law was broken in Mexico.

So? Was the law broken in Mexico?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Once he was forced into Mexico by traffic conditions, the law was broken in Mexico.

So what's your point?

 

[cjh]

Back to the point of this thread:

Obama is not enforcing American law.

What right does he have to subvert Mexico's criminal justice system?

 

[Sean]

Once he was forced into Mexico by traffic conditions, the law was broken in Mexico.

So you're conceding he broke the law in Mexico?

 

[Disgustipated]

What right does he have to subvert Mexico's criminal justice system?

They are Brown, damnit!

 

[cjh]

Court could not agree that Hostage Act, 22 USCS § 1732, created any duty that was enforceable by writ of mandamus under 28 USCS § 1361; therefore, court would not issue writ of mandamus in case where U.S. citizen was arrested and detained in Saudi prison at behest of U.S.. Abu Ali v Ashcroft (2004, DC Dist Col) 350 F Supp 2d 28.

 

[cjh]

In petition for writ of mandamus in which petitioner alleged that he was incarcerated by Mexican officials, subjected to torture, and that various United States officials negligently failed and refused to accord him assistance to which he was entitled as an American citizen, motion to dismiss was granted where petitioner had received services of American consular officers following his arrest, petitioner's arrest and conviction by Mexican authorities was apparently proper, and where American official charged with duty of investigating torture allegation found no substantiation therefore. Redpath v Kissinger (1976, WD Tex) 415 F Supp 566, affd without op (1976, CA5 Tex) 545 F2d 167.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Once he was forced into Mexico by traffic conditions, the law was broken in Mexico.

A Marine RESERVIST, not on active duty.

He had a loaded pistol in the door pocket, a loaded AR15 behind the driver's seat, and a loaded shotgun on the front seat and more than 400 rounds of ammunition.

His mother, a nurse, has stated that she had observed signs of paranoia in him, and that he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder at the Veterans Affairs facility in La Jolla on March 12. She said he is “hypervigilant” and in 2013, suffered from “hunter-prey syndrome; he was the prey.”

Let’s leave aside for the moment the horror we may feel at the idea that a psychologically compromised veteran who believes he is being hunted is driving around with three loaded guns and a cache of bullets, and is so out of it he misses numerous alerts that he is about to cross an international border.

He broke the law and was arrested, as he should have been.

Should Mexico release the former Marine? Yes. I think Mexico should, and I think Mexico will.

And then every effort should be made to get this young man into treatment, and to separate him from his guns and ammo before he hurts himself or anyone else.

 

[islandman]

It's threads like these in which I wish vetteman would just link us to whichever wackjob website he's pulling this from so that we can discuss the issue directly with whoever there instead of having to deal with this (already) derivative logic.

 

[Sean]

I'm sure Vettebigot will be back momentarily to explain his point.