Too much objectification of women ?

[Erosfan]

My point is that while my wife insists that I get her permission to show anyone those pics of her at Fantasy Fest, she can't do the same for the thousands of other people who were there and took her picture! She even posed for pictures with other people, knowing they'll show their pictures to other people because they are in the picture!

My wife even stood for a picture on Duval St in Key West with four other men around her, posing with them and smiling at the camera as a friend took their pic. And she was wearing just pasties and panties. I'm sure those five men are all showing that picture to their friends and may even have posted it to some picture sharing site online.

Now how does that work? Can someone post a picture if they are in it, and it happens to have four other people in it? Do those other four people ALL have to give their permission for any one of them to post it? That would drastically limit how many photos we all see on Facebook!

But I ask my wife's permission ... to keep the peace.

BTW: If you ever DO go to Fantasy Fest and dress down with next to nothing as you walk along Duval St, be aware that there are Internet street cams online which anyone in the world can access to see you at some intersections. (So much for "privacy" and "permission". It's ALREADY out there!)

EDIT: Personally, if I knowingly pose for a picture in any position, dressed or undressed, I EXPECT others will see it! I'm giving my permission by deliberately doing it!

"EDIT: Personally, if I knowingly pose for a picture in any position, dressed or undressed, I EXPECT others will see it! I'm giving my permission by deliberately doing it!"

I couldn't agree more. If I knowingly do it, I'm expecting others will see it. If I didn't want to show off or be seen, I wouldn't be there.

I can't even begin to explain a woman's thinking. I think you, asking her permission, is a very smart move.

 

[FidelityBoss]

Sometimes I get the impression with many picures on this site are 'objectifying' women.
Admitted, my male mind likes some of these pictures very well. I think that women (or men) can only be objectfied with consent so such pictures may only be shown with her / his full consent.
Sometimes I think that some images are taken by husband / boyfriend / FWB without consent as some threads with pictures contain mainly posting of a single user who is male or undisclosed gender.
Obviously, I like nice pictures or selfies posted by women themselves. And as a hobby photographer I take occasionally 'nudies' of my girlfriend and she has an awesome body (and personality !), but don't publish them.

I might be completely wrong (I hope so) but what are your ideas ? Women are stronly invited to react.

This is such an important discussion! Consent is key when it comes to sharing images, and it’s great that you’re mindful of that. Posting pictures without someone’s permission is a huge violation, and it’s good to question the source when it seems off. It’s awesome that you respect your girlfriend’s privacy and only take photos with her consent. Hopefully, more people will think critically about where these images come from and whether they’re shared ethically. Thanks for bringing this up!

 

[FidelityBoss]

It's possible and even likely some of the pics are posted without the woman's knowledge. But there are probably most of them in which the woman gave her consent, without specifying any limitations, either not caring or not thinking of the possibilities.

My wife and I have gone to Key West during Fantasy Fest. And for those who have never been or never heard of that, it's a week-look party of bar hopping and drinking even in the street within a few blocks of a cordoned off area. The costumes range from PRUDE to (not legally) nude body painted people wearing so little as to be scandalous back home.

And while my wife hasn't gone down the street there in the nude, she has worn so little as to be illegal outside of that cordoned off area. I've taken some pictures of her posing (with her consent). But when it comes to showing anyone else those pictures, she insists I must ask her permission on a case-by-case basis.

I've pointed out to her that when I took some of those pictures, she was in the middle of a crowded street with HUNDREDS of other people around her with cellphone cameras, and that she walked around dressed that way for hours, for potentially THOUSANDS of people taking her picture and posting it to Facebook! So, at that point, what the fucks the difference if I show it to one other person? That's HER restricting ME, and not the thousands of others she gave implicit permission to by doing it in public!

If a girl wears a string bikini to a crowded public beach to catch the eye of some boys she wants to attract, she can't bitch about EVERYONE else there who looks!

EDIT: My point is essentially that people need to take some personal responsibility for their own actions and show some common sense if they choose to allow others to take their picture! I have a picture of a woman who I don't even know because she was wearing heavy makeup covering her face. But she was otherwise naked spreading her legs in a bar for a room full of people to take pictures and posing any way anyone asked. When my wife asked her why she was doing that, she shrugged and just said "My husband likes it, and it turns him on. So, I'm doing it for him."

So, question: Do I have her permission to post her pics?

This is a tricky topic! While it’s true that public settings like Fantasy Fest or beaches come with an expectation of being photographed, consent is still crucial when sharing those images privately. Your wife’s request for case-by-case approval shows respect for her boundaries, even if others in public spaces don’t operate the same way. It’s all about balancing personal responsibility with respect for individual comfort levels. Thanks for sharing your perspective, it’s a nuanced discussion!

 

[FidelityBoss]

I think it’s the exploitation of women here that’s the biggest problem. Women (anyone, really) posting their own photos on a porn site are owning their sexuality and clearly enjoy the objectification to some level. That’s their choice and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

However. Lots, LOTS of men post photos of their wives, girlfriends, exes, without their knowledge or consent. There are endless threads about it. Asking strangers to ‘tribute’ their wife. Offering to send photos. Asking to ‘chat about my wife’. There’s one in particular who’s entire lit personality is to share photos of his ‘catholic wife’ that he openly admits were taken without her knowledge and dudes line up for it. Some are less obvious and open about it. I fully believe that at least half of the photos of women in ampics are men with fake accounts posting pictures that were entrusted to them.

To put it plainly, there are a whole bunch of men on this site that hate women. They want a woman to be a dick receptacle, but they hate women as people. They hate their wives most of all. Not just the men who actively post the photos, but the men who don’t care that the photos they’re jerking off to were shared without the woman’s permission. Rarely do I see a man even ask if the wife is aware and consents to it. They just don’t care.

I don’t tell most of my real life friends that I participate in a forum on a porn site. So when Dominique Pelicot was charged with drugging his wife and facilitating her being raped unconscious hundreds of times, I had to also appear as shocked as my friends were. They were stunned and couldn’t believe that he was able to find so many men who were so willing to rape an unconscious woman, disregard her autotomy, and view her as her husbands property to loan out.

I wasn’t shocked at all. There are thousands of men who participate on this site who would do exactly that.

This is such an important and sobering take. The lack of respect for consent and autonomy on some parts of the internet is deeply troubling. It’s alarming how many men seem to view women as objects rather than people, and the normalization of sharing intimate images without permission is a huge red flag. Your point about the Dominique Pelicot case is chilling, it’s a stark reminder of how pervasive these attitudes can be. Thanks for speaking up about this; it’s a conversation that needs to happen more often.