"Too" right or "too" left? Consider Libertarianism.

Well, the nihilistic side of libertarianism I hear mostly spouted by liberals and neocons.

That isn't to say that both do not have a valid question about "what would a libertarian do in XYZ situation?

It isn't all or nothing. A common one is, if government is out of education, then NO ONE will be educated.

You already pay local taxes towards schools. How is it that you can't 8 or 10 parents to serve on the PTA, decide which teachers to hire or fire and run a school? It isn't like books or better still computer-based learning isn't readily available.

But what about standards? No one wants their kids to be completely ignorant. Will some parents in some hollow somewhere want to teach nonsense? Sure.Unless you are gonna be a marine biologist or a botanist, who cares? Is that kid at a disadvantage maybe somehow? Sure. But I care more that the kid can read. He'll figure out on his own that his parents are wrong. Info is out there for the asking.

What about roads???

Well, for far less you get toll roads if the local gasoline taxes arent cutting it.

What about environment? In the past, people did shit where they ate. There are plenty of dedicated greenies everywhere to blow the whistle on the next hooker chemical. If they pollute, they have harmed their immediate neighbors and have every right to get an injunction to stop. Happens now when the EPA (which isnt everywhere) lets something slip through the cracks.

I don't think any libertarian says it is OK to pollute. Pollution doesn't stay on your property. No one wants to repeal the clean air and water acts. Pollution is an act of aggression on your neighbors.

Acts of aggression can and should be repulsed. Might we need the almighty hand of the feds to enforce some stuff? Probably. But not every little aspect of everything anyone even thinks about doing.

There are probably some huge holes in libertarian philosophy that you could drive a truck through.

Lets say tomorrow Joe Biden converted to libertarianism (as if he could even understand it but lets pretend.) Lets say Obama just gets tired of the bullshit and does a Sarah Palin and just up and quits. Whines about it like Palin the whole deal.

So Crazy Uncle Joe is the Libertarian President.

What changes?

Other than he tells Israel Queersetti style "I ain't your daddy, fight your own fight." and tells the Arabs fuck off, we are opening anwar. He tells the greedy oil bastards that so much as a gallon spills, I will seize your entire company with a lis pendens action and give it back, maybe if the cost of cleanup leaves anything.

He tells the military industrial complex he isnt signing for more tomahawks cause he cant see spending a million bucks to level mud huts.

He tells republicans to send him a budget he can sign, tells democrats work that shit out, I am not signing another continuing resolution...

It isn't like President Crazybiden can unilaterally repeal any existing law.

It would take decades to unwind anything. Why not try? What we have is not working.
 
"It isn't all or nothing. A common one is, if government is out of education, then NO ONE will be educated."
query

;) ;)

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.
Frédéric Bastiat
 
Well, the nihilistic side of libertarianism I hear mostly spouted by liberals and neocons.

That isn't to say that both do not have a valid question about "what would a libertarian do in XYZ situation?

Really? I hear it mostly from Libertarians.

It isn't all or nothing. A common one is, if government is out of education, then NO ONE will be educated.

No one said anything remotely close, that's an assumption on your part.

Because before government got into education, education was a luxury for the rich...if you weren't in the top 20% you were lucky to learn much more than how to read or do basic arithmetic.

Really want to go back to that? No state involved in education? In a generation 1/2 the country will be brought up thinking Jesus rode a Trex, Earth is 6,000 years old, the center of the universe and science is pure evil!!

........think about it.

You already pay local taxes towards schools. How is it that you can't 8 or 10 parents to serve on the PTA, decide which teachers to hire or fire and run a school? It isn't like books or better still computer-based learning isn't readily available.

But what about standards? No one wants their kids to be completely ignorant. Will some parents in some hollow somewhere want to teach nonsense? Sure.Unless you are gonna be a marine biologist or a botanist, who cares? Is that kid at a disadvantage maybe somehow? Sure. But I care more that the kid can read. He'll figure out on his own that his parents are wrong. Info is out there for the asking.

All that shit is dandy but there still needs to be a structured system....otherwise you think kids are slipping through cracks now?LMFAO 80% of the population would end up illiterate fucking morons under the parent run no oversight, no structure education system.

We know this because that's what we had before and government edumacation even SHITTY one like what we has proven to be better than 1850's style schoolin'

What about roads???

Well, for far less you get toll roads if the local gasoline taxes arent cutting it.

Absolutely unable to provide....turn off funding for infrastructure, "Send it back to the states" and watch it crumble to shit in no time. Hell we have defunded it enough the old shit we have is falling apart as it is. Yea send it back to the community and see how fast the 10 lane super slab interstate turns to shit.

What about environment? In the past, people did shit where they ate. There are plenty of dedicated greenies everywhere to blow the whistle on the next hooker chemical. If they pollute, they have harmed their immediate neighbors and have every right to get an injunction to stop. Happens now when the EPA (which isnt everywhere) lets something slip through the cracks.

Happens now but it happens a whole lot less than before (back the way libertarians want it, no oversight because market magic= environmental responsibility!!LOL) and when it's found out they get fucking HAMMERED.

I don't think any libertarian says it is OK to pollute. Pollution doesn't stay on your property. No one wants to repeal the clean air and water acts. Pollution is an act of aggression on your neighbors.

Acts of aggression can and should be repulsed. Might we need the almighty hand of the feds to enforce some stuff? Probably. But not every little aspect of everything anyone even thinks about doing.

No they don't say it's OK to pollute....they just say no one needs the government to tell them not to. Which is a total fucking load of bullshit.

Yea every little aspect of everything anyone thinks about doing, sorry you should be cut any slack to poison the water table by pouring used motor oil in the corner of the yard... even if it is your private property. You need to be hauled to jail and or fined up the fucking yaa zoo for that shit and it's clean up.

There are probably some huge holes in libertarian philosophy that you could drive a truck through.

Lets say tomorrow Joe Biden converted to libertarianism (as if he could even understand it but lets pretend.) Lets say Obama just gets tired of the bullshit and does a Sarah Palin and just up and quits. Whines about it like Palin the whole deal.

So Crazy Uncle Joe is the Libertarian President.

What changes?

Other than he tells Israel Queersetti style "I ain't your daddy, fight your own fight." and tells the Arabs fuck off, we are opening anwar. He tells the greedy oil bastards that so much as a gallon spills, I will seize your entire company with a lis pendens action and give it back, maybe if the cost of cleanup leaves anything.

He tells the military industrial complex he isnt signing for more tomahawks cause he cant see spending a million bucks to level mud huts.

He tells republicans to send him a budget he can sign, tells democrats work that shit out, I am not signing another continuing resolution...

It isn't like President Crazybiden can unilaterally repeal any existing law.

It would take decades to unwind anything. Why not try? What we have is not working.

There are a lot of things I agree with in the libertarian camp....I. E. if we aren't getting anything out of it WTF are we doing in the middle east?

It's a welfare war or a religious crusade disguised as a welfare war...there are no other reasons.

"It isn't all or nothing. A common one is, if government is out of education, then NO ONE will be educated."
query

;) ;)

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.
Frédéric Bastiat

Look at this big basket of Home Skool....LMFAO





Ultimate libertarian killer? Name one libertarian state that has EVER EXISTED and has done or did better than any of the socialist states (inc the US) that are bigger, badder, better educated, healthier, longer lived, more advanced and happier.....

Just one......a single "minimal government because private industry n' personal responsibilitah take care of everything like MAGIC!!" state that can economically, militarily and intellectually kick M'uricuhs ASS...because less gubbmint=better.


That's what I thought 4est....you aint got shit. Now come up with some "Ohhh fuck you pot head, smoke another!!" line, because that's winning!;)
 
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There are so many good reasons to be opposed to spending time, money, men, and material on war, it's a wonder that anti-interventionism isn't a stronger movement.

It's very simple:

1. The dove/hawk divide is one that cuts across other axes of political division. How else could it have been the Dems who got us into 'Nam? How else could the GOP, with its libertarian faction, and its anti-Washington drown-it-in-a-bathtub populist-paleocon Teabagger faction, be so usually hawkish, when the MIC is the most expensive and potentially the most oppressive element of biggummint? In partisan terms, the doves and the hawks begin the debate essentially balanced, and . . .

2. The hawk side of that axis has a lot more money and pork on it.

3. And a lot more fear.
 
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I haven't started a lot of political threads so I didn't have many to move over here but I thought this one might generate some interest. Or not.
 
So if they were more liberal in the dope-distribution for the poor...?

Naaah. All libertarians care about is their dope, their money, and the cocks they suck. Theyre parasites.
 
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