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Etoile said:
Wow! I didn't realize gay men had an equivalent to the lesbian separatist view of "penetration is a symbol of the patriarchy" - thanks for mentioning that.

Yep, we have political correct groups too. It reminds me of all kinds of fanatics that come up with an idea that "x" is the way to conduct yourself and also to think. You surround yourself with like minded people, then shut out all discent. One can see examples of it in:

some religious situations (fundies),
economic systems
--(communists, or even pure capitalists)

I have to admit that I'm very biased against the group I mentioned in my earlier post. We all know about AIDS. I knew a lot of gay guys who would put on the guilt trip for anybody who wanted to do anal -- regardless if safe or not. I wonder what they would do if there was a desease that most easly past from person to person via saliva. Would they also condemn kissing and oral? Maybe we should just all just do cyber. If we have to have physical contact, just make sure both parties are wearing rubber suits.

In someways its kind of funny if you detach yourself from what they are saying. This group was talking about "he man" sex. Nothing resembling "gay porno" sex or "heterosexual immitating" sex. Using terms like "warrior", real man sex... However, being paranoid about:
desease,
being feminized if you get penetrated,
it's always dirty sex..

Visualize this "he man warrior" in the battlefield:
You want me to crawl on my belly? Aren't their bugs -- and I'll get all dirty?
You want me to carry a knife? What if I cut myself and it gets infected?
I cannot go to the bathroom in a little box with little privacy, that is so nasty.
 
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