Travel Ban Blocked by WA state Judge

[EternalFantasy]

Perhaps, but you're not talking/writing straight; your meaning is unclear.

Foreign nationals in this country, BTW, have always enjoyed the same constitutional rights as citizens. Apart from voting and holding office, there is only one legal right that citizens have and non-citizens have not: The right to live and work in the United States. Even convicted felons have that right if they are citizens; exile is a punishment unknown to American law.

The activist lawyer are we?

The foreign nationals in question are visa holders who are not on US soil.

Are they protected as well counselor? You seem to imply it, especially, given it is the subject matter of this thread and ban-halting going on.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The activist lawyer are we?

The foreign nationals in question are visa holders who are not on US soil.

Are they protected as well counselor?

No, I said "in this country." However, even they may have some vested legal rights in play here; I have not researched the legal arguments against the ban, I only know they were good enough to persuade several judges.

 

[EternalFantasy]

No, I said "in this country." However, even they may have some vested legal rights in play here; I have not researched the legal arguments against the ban, I only know they were good enough to persuade several judges.

I see, yes... I see.

But even being a lawyer isn't good enough to take a shot at guessing the final outcome? Say like, in the poll thread?

Or even here perhaps?

 

[KingOrfeo]

I see, yes... I see.

But even being a lawyer isn't good enough to take a shot at guessing the final outcome? Say like, in the poll thread?

Or even here perhaps?

The ban would certainly remained blocked if the decision depended on public opinion, but cases at law do not. I practice personal injury law, not immigration law; I would have to research and evaluate both sides' legal arguments before I could predict the outcome with any confidence. You seemed to be saying earlier that the ban must stand because leaving it blocked would establish an unacceptable precedent, and I can tell you that is wrong, judges would not consider it unacceptable.

 

[EternalFantasy]

The ban would certainly remained blocked if the decision depended on public opinion, but cases at law do not. I practice personal injury law, not immigration law; I would have to research and evaluate both sides' legal arguments before I could predict the outcome with any confidence. You seemed to be saying earlier that the ban must stand because leaving it blocked would establish an unacceptable precedent, and I can tell you that is wrong, judges would not consider it unacceptable.

No its not what I said.

I said the travelers are foreign nationals holding a visa. A visa does not guarantee entry into the US. A Visa is not a right to enter nor are they covered by the US constitution. And given that that policy is at the discretion of DHS and ultimately the President, the EO will stand.

I did not ask you for public opinion, I asked you for your own, if this EO will survive, or be permanently restrained.

 

[KingOrfeo]

A visa does not guarantee entry into the US.

That may or many not be the law, I don't know. I do know the Geneva Conventions (that's plural, BTW) require us to accept refugees.

 

[Bookishleigh]

That may or many not be the law, I don't know.

He doesn't know either - he just helped hot chicks on a plane and people who don't read well fill out their paperwork. He knows as much about the law as what he has seen on Alex Jones and Law and Order. I'm not quite convinced he has an undergrad degree. Definitely not a law degree.

I mean he still thinks the President is the end all and be all of the law.

 

[EternalFantasy]

That may or many not be the law, I don't know.

It's posted on the first page of this thread. You missed it?

Having a U.S. visa allows you to travel to a port of entry, airport or land border crossing, and request permission of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Customs and Border Protection (CBP) inspector to enter the United States. While having a visa does not guarantee entry to the United States, it does indicate a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate abroad has determined you are eligible to seek entry for that specific purpose. DHS/CBP inspectors, guardians of the nation’s borders, are responsible for admission of travelers to the United States, for a specified status and period of time. DHS also has responsibility for immigration matters while you are present in the United States.
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/frequently-asked-questions/what-is-a-u-s-visa.html


I am not certain about the refugees; that's something I'd like to look up.

 

[Bookishleigh]

It's posted on the first page of this thread. You missed it?

Having a U.S. visa allows you to travel to a port of entry, airport or land border crossing, and request permission of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Customs and Border Protection (CBP) inspector to enter the United States. While having a visa does not guarantee entry to the United States, it does indicate a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate abroad has determined you are eligible to seek entry for that specific purpose. DHS/CBP inspectors, guardians of the nation’s borders, are responsible for admission of travelers to the United States, for a specified status and period of time. DHS also has responsibility for immigration matters while you are present in the United States.
https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...-u-s-visa.html

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I am not certain about the refugees; that's something I'd like to look up.

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Musts be the Russians.

 

[EternalFantasy]

That may or many not be the law, I don't know. I do know the Geneva Conventions (that's plural, BTW) require us to accept refugees.

1. Second thread you run once point proven against you.

2. The Geneva conventions don't obligate the US to take in refugees all the time. A 120 days time-out until a better vetting process is done, isn't a reason for a Judge to halt the EO. in fact, it isn't even of his business. That's at the int'l court if justice. which is at The Hague.

3. You still won't take a shot at guessing the outcome.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ction-after-court-ruling-travel-ban/97748252/

WASHINGTON — President Trump said Friday he's considering a new executive order on refugees as soon as Monday or Tuesday, even as his administration mulls an appeal of a court decision suspending his previous order barring travelers from seven majority-Muslim countries.

"We will win that battle," Trump said of the court fight. "We also have a lot of other options, including just filing a brand new order."

Trump, speaking to reporters on Air Force One Friday, suggested that a new executive order would be the most expedient route. "It very well could be. We need speed for reasons of security, so it very well could be."

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[phrodeau]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...cutive-order-next-week-to-protect-our-country

The Trump administration plans to unveil a revised executive order on immigration next week and rescind the president’s initial travel ban, which has been entrenched in legal battles throughout the country.

President Trump said during a news conference on Thursday that he would unveil a more tailored travel ban “next week sometime.”

"We are issuing a new executive action next week that will comprehensively protect our country," Trump said.

But our country's security is at stake. If President Trump can't turn in his homework on time, blame him for any terrorist attacks caused by recent immigrants.

 

[phrodeau]

Trump's revised travel ban is now a week past due. Maybe he shouldn't be spending so much time on the golf course.

 

[phrodeau]

Well, he didn't get it done this week. What about those terrorists clawing at our borders? Donald has to protect us from them now!

 

[phrodeau]

I guess I need to post this again.

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[EternalFantasies]

I know huh.. This matter has been downplayed. Even the media isn't calling him on it.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/trump-travel-ban-visa-holders/

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump has delayed plans to sign a reworked travel ban in the wake of positive reaction to his first address to Congress, a senior administration official told CNN.

The decision came late Tuesday night as positive reviews flooded in for Trump's speech, which struck a largely optimistic and unifying tone.

Signing the executive order Wednesday, as originally indicated by the White House, would have undercut the favorable coverage. The official didn't deny the positive reception was part of the administration's calculus in pushing back the travel ban announcement.

"We want the (executive order) to have its own 'moment,'" the official said.

So the publicity is now more important than securing our nation from terrorist infiltration?

And what about the media being the enemy of the people?

 

[phrodeau]

CNN has reached out to the White House for comment. But when asked Wednesday about the timing of the upcoming executive order at the White House, press secretary Sean Spicer only said: "When we have one, we'll announce it."

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_960w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/01/25/Production/Daily/A-Section/Images/AFP_KO6YL.jpg&w=480
Period.

 

[phrodeau]

Another week goes by, more terrorists get into the country. Where's the travel ban?

 

[sr71plt]

Having visions of the seven-country terrorists scooting into the States to get in under the wire--maybe doing their best to look deranged so that they can buy guns here now.

 

[phrodeau]

Having visions of the seven-country terrorists scooting into the States to get in under the wire--maybe doing their best to look deranged so that they can buy guns here now.

They can just bring their own guns in their checked baggage. It's America.

 

[phrodeau]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...cutive-order-next-week-to-protect-our-country

The Trump administration plans to unveil a revised executive order on immigration next week and rescind the president’s initial travel ban, which has been entrenched in legal battles throughout the country.

President Trump said during a news conference on Thursday that he would unveil a more tailored travel ban “next week sometime.”

"We are issuing a new executive action next week that will comprehensively protect our country," Trump said.

That was on February 16th. Here is today's article:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/322375-trump-expected-to-sign-new-travel-order-monday

President Trump is slated to sign a new executive order on immigration and travel into the U.S. on Monday, according to reports.

The Associated Press reported earlier this week that the forthcoming order no longer includes Iraq among the affected nations, but that Iran, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Sudan would remain on the list.

The initial order also called for a 120-day ban on admitting refugees and an indefinite suspension on resettling Syrian refugees.

Might be a busy weekend at the airports with all those terrorists flooding in.

 

[ChloeTzang]

http://thehill.com/policy/national-...cutive-order-next-week-to-protect-our-countryThat was on February 16th. Here is today's article:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/322375-trump-expected-to-sign-new-travel-order-monday
Might be a busy weekend at the airports with all those terrorists flooding in.

Oh? Here we go. Just more good news flooding in. Our Glorious and Illustrious Supreme President, the Donald, Plans Monday Morning Blitz with New Immigration Executive Order. Looking forward to seeing how this one rolls out.

http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-america-comes-first-630x354.png

 

[phrodeau]

Oh? Here we go. Just more good news flooding in. Our Glorious and Illustrious Supreme President, the Donald, Plans Monday Morning Blitz with New Immigration Executive Order. Looking forward to seeing how this one rolls out.

http://drrichswier.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-america-comes-first-630x354.png

I am sure that you are aware that those seven countries under the previous travel ban are all in Asia, right? And there have been recent attacks on American immigrants from India. The anti-immigrant sentiment is spreading across that continent. Remember how critical Trump was to China in his campaign speeches? I wonder which country's immigrants will be next on his list.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I am sure that you are aware that those seven countries under the previous travel ban are all in Asia, right? And there have been recent attacks on American immigrants from India. The anti-immigrant sentiment is spreading across that continent. Remember how critical Trump was to China in his campaign speeches? I wonder which country's immigrants will be next on his list.

Middle East and Africa actually. A bit to the left of Asia (see below).

As for Chinese, hey, my Mom's vietnamese-chinese. Down a bit from China. And I'm sure you remember Vietnam. My Grandma and Grandpa were refugees. The genuine ones. Waited their turn and were accepted legally. Guess who they voted for. Um, starts with "T" and ends with "p". Guess who taught me to shoot, Guess who detests lefties coz some of the family didn't make it out alive. You want to talk refugees, I can talk REAL refugees till I'm red in the face coz on the other side mt great grandfather was a Polish refugee after WW2 who fought the Nazis, ended up in Siberia, made it to the Middle East, fought the Nazis all over again and then couldn't go back, or if he had, it would've been to Siberia again.That or a bullet in the back of the neck. Not some fake bs economic shit.

The people from these countries can wait. The only ones I sympathize with are the Iraqi Christians and they were fine until that cuck Bush wanted their friggin' oil.

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