Trump’s school-choice plan to be released soon — and it looks like a game-changer

[HisArpy]

Be happy to.

We all live in a society and rely on other people for stuff. So while someone's child may not attend a public school that someone still reaps the benefits of the labor of those who do attend public school and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs...etc.

In other words, "you didn't build that".

 

[BotanyBoy]

Be happy to.

We all live in a society and rely on other people for stuff. So while someone's child may not attend a public school that someone still reaps the benefits of the labor of those who do attend public school and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs...etc.

LOL what a load.

 

[Conager]

Be happy to.

We all live in a society and rely on other people for stuff. So while someone's child may not attend a public school that someone still reaps the benefits of the labor of those who do attend public school and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs...etc.

Im pleased to see you advancing the argument that obviously supports vouchers be given to parents to help educate their children in the interest of the greater good.

We do, indeed, all live in a society and rely on other people for stuff.

Though someone's child may not attend a public school, society still reaps the benefits of the labor of those who do not attend public school and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs...etc.

Since graduation rates and college admission rates are higher for privately educated students than those in public schools, I am sure you will agree that the public benefit is correspondingly higher. Because mathematics.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Im pleased to see you advancing the argument that obviously supports vouchers be given to parents to help educate their children in the interest of the greater good.

We do, indeed, all live in a society and rely on other people for stuff.

Though someone's child may not attend a public school, society still reaps the benefits of the labor of those who do not attend public school and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs...etc.

Since graduation rates and college admission rates are higher for privately educated students than those in public schools, I am sure you will agree that the public benefit is correspondingly higher. Because mathematics.

From his rabid defense of public schools and especially the teachers at public schools I'm betting he's not teaching at a private school and thinks private schools are a horrible capitalist EVIL!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Im pleased to see you advancing the argument that obviously supports vouchers be given to parents to help educate their children in the interest of the greater good.

We do, indeed, all live in a society and rely on other people for stuff.

Though someone's child may not attend a public school, society still reaps the benefits of the labor of those who do not attend public school and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs...etc.

Since graduation rates and college admission rates are higher for privately educated students than those in public schools, I am sure you will agree that the public benefit is correspondingly higher. Because mathematics.

You're just comparing apples and oranges.

The first thing you need to understand is that if a child isn't going to a private school now, they won't be going to an already established private school if this bill passes.

Now the apples and oranges. Private schools are able to pick their students, public schools are not. A private school can kick a kid out if they don't test well before they get close to graduation, and then the kid doesn't count against their graduation numbers.

Private schools are no better than public schools, they just don't have to deal with students who need more work.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Private schools are no better than public schools

The numbers and the students say otherwise.

they just don't have to deal with students who need more work.

You mean they don't have to baby sit the kids of parents who don't give a fuck and don't give a fuck themselves to the detriment of all students?

Exactly....that's why they are better.

Know why Navy SEAL's and other elite teams of all sorts are elite and achieve incredible things? Because they send weakness and failure packing to go home and cry to mama. The don't reward mediocrity and even total failure like the government and those who love the government insist upon.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The numbers and the students say otherwise.

Let's see these numbers....and let's be honest you won't post them. Each time I've asked you to back up your ridiculousness you've dodged.

You mean they don't have to baby sit the kids of parents who don't give a fuck and don't give a fuck themselves to the detriment of all students?

No, I mean some students need more work than others. Some students come in not speaking English, some don't have a strong bank of oral words, some have disabilities, some have other major issues. They still get taught, but it's takes more to teach them.

Exactly....that's why they are better.

More ridiculousness. What practices do private schools employ that public don't that make them better.

Know why Navy SEAL's and other elite teams of all sorts are elite and achieve incredible things? Because they send weakness and failure packing to go home and cry to mama. The don't reward mediocrity and even total failure like the government and those who love the government insist upon.

Navy Seals aren't a public school.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Let's see these numbers....and let's be honest you won't post them. Each time I've asked you to back up your ridiculousness you've dodged.

No I've backed up plenty for years I just quit doing it because you and the other brainwashed socialist hate facts that don't fit the narrative almost as much as the "conservative" socialist control freaks.

No, I mean some students need more work than others. Some students come in not speaking English, some don't have a strong bank of oral words, some have disabilities, some have other major issues. They still get taught, but it's takes more to teach them.

No child left behind....they all get equally worthless gold stars.

More ridiculousness. What practices do private schools employ that public don't that make them better.

The throw mother fuckers the fuck out and fail the failures for failing to perform.

Navy Seals aren't a public school.

Their School is....100% voluntary and equal opportunity for all applicants, owned and operated by the US government.

 

[Conager]

You're just comparing apples and oranges.

The first thing you need to understand is that if a child isn't going to a private school now, they won't be going to an already established private school if this bill passes.

Now the apples and oranges. Private schools are able to pick their students, public schools are not. A private school can kick a kid out if they don't test well before they get close to graduation, and then the kid doesn't count against their graduation numbers.

Private schools are no better than public schools, they just don't have to deal with students who need more work.

Im looking forward to you explaining why motivated, gifted children who have the aptitude and drive to become well-educated and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs should be held back to the pace of the children you say "need more work."

For that matter, I also look forward to you divulging what special techniques and materials are availible in public scools for children that "need more work" that would be unknown and unavailable to the caring professionals that eschew public sector union protection to teach in private schools where they will be dismissed if they fail to perform or disrespect students and parents.

You seem unaware that there are very well-respected private schools that are specifically catering to special needs students. Should those students be forced into public schools? Those parents charged with child abuse?

I look forward to your learned opinions on these matters.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Im looking forward to you explaining why motivated, gifted children who have the aptitude and drive to become well-educated and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs should be held back to the pace of the children you say "need more work."

Shit on the achievers with the hordes of mediocrity and failure until everyone is equally fucked.

Sounds like socialism to me.

Though I doubt you'll ever get SGT and other true believers to admit it.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Im looking forward to you explaining why motivated, gifted children who have the aptitude and drive to become well-educated and go on to build roads, make medical breakthroughs, keep them safe, make technological breakthroughs should be held back to the pace of the children you say "need more work."

For that matter, I also look forward to you divulging what special techniques and materials are availible in public scools for children that "need more work" that would be unknown and unavailable to the caring professionals that eschew public sector union protection to teach in private schools where they will be dismissed if they fail to perform or disrespect students and parents.

You seem unaware that there are very well-respected private schools that are specifically catering to special needs students. Should those students be forced into public schools? Those parents charged with child abuse?

I look forward to your learned opinions on these matters.

Didn't take long for you to go full Conager and assign me a position and debate that instead of what I actually wrote.

Motivated and gifted children aren't being held back, and I don't believe they should.

Unions don't protect people who aren't doing their job. Public school teachers have to be certified to teach the subject they teach, so they're trained to do it. I'm not saying that some private school teachers don't have similar training, only that private schools don't have to deal with kids who need more work.

I'm quite aware, so my question to you is what are those private schools doing that makes them "successful"., and why can't we just do whatever magical thing they're doing in a public school? The beauty of public schools is no one is forced into them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

D
Unions don't protect people who aren't doing their job.

LOL....sometimes.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

LOL....sometimes.

Example......?

 

[Conager]

It didn't take you long to go full Spidey, I was asking questions and here you are entering me into some sort of debate.

You dissapoint me.

I was so looking forward to you offering illination on this topic but you merely obfuscated with well-worn NEA talking points. Sad.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Example......?

NYC teachers unions and their famous "rubber rooms" where the union protects violent abusers, sexual molesters and "incompetent" teachers from loosing their pay.


Certain parts of CA do the same.

I'm sure they aren't the only dirt bag unions run by mafia style dirt bag union leaders.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

NYC teachers unions and their famous "rubber rooms" where the union protects violent abusers, sexual molesters and "incompetent" teachers from loosing their pay.


Certain parts of CA do the same.

I'm sure they aren't the only dirt bag unions run by mafia style dirt bag union leaders.

Let's go with that.

Name a teacher in a rubber room who was convicted of a violent or sexual act against a child. I'll wait......

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

It didn't take you long to go full Spidey, I was asking questions and here you are entering me into some sort of debate.

You dissapoint me.

I was so looking forward to you offering illination on this topic but you merely obfuscated with well-worn NEA talking points. Sad.

You wrote what you wrote.I answered your questions and you run from mine.

 

[Conager]

Let's go with that.

Name a teacher in a rubber room who was convicted of a violent or sexual act against a child. I'll wait......

Where did he say "convicted?"

Are you truly unaware of teachers, not trusted to teach remaining on the payroll?

 

[Conager]

You wrote what you wrote.I answered your questions and you run from mine.

No one "runs" from your disengenious "questions." Most are smart enough not to engage in your circular frustration game.

I would truly enjoy watching the looks on peoples faces if you actually engage with people you encounter on your bike in this way. I can't picture you being anything but extremely isolated. I sincerely hope that is not the case.

 

[FGB]

Here where I live we have several private schools I think they are at least Christian based. Not only are they full up all the time they are growing and expanding at the same rate that liberalism is taking over the schools.

How people get the money with our economy here I don't know unless it's the savings for retirement or working two jibs....

I work down the street from the biggest one, certainly the children are well behaved and looked after. The ages seem to range from first to ninth grades judging from the way the kids look. Everything is neat and orderly and from what I here from people the kids are well educated and well mannered.

Certainly there is a huge difference in the behavior of the kids between that academy and the intermediate school across the street from me.

We need more of them.

 

[Disgustipated]

Here where I live we have several private schools I think they are at least Christian based. Not only are they full up all the time they are growing and expanding at the same rate that liberalism is taking over the schools.

How people get the money with our economy here I don't know unless it's the savings for retirement or working two jibs....

You guys love to just talk. Whether you actually have anything to back up your statements doesn't even matter.

 

[Conager]

You guys love to just talk. Whether you actually have anything to back up your statements doesn't even matter.

Cite?

 

[Disgustipated]

Cite?

You're just not bright enough, alt-er boi.

 

[Conager]

You're just not bright enough, alt-er boi.

Yeah. That's not a citation in anyway supportive of your assertion.

It's ok, we all understand you just interject yourself into topics you know nothing about in order to impress the smart, accomplished chick that you are all smart 'n shit.

 

[Hashtag47]

Yeah. That's not a citation in anyway supportive of your assertion.

It's ok, we all understand you just interject yourself into topics you know nothing about in order to impress the smart, accomplished chick that you are all smart 'n shit.

I would say you are wrong there butty boi