Trump insults allies now begs them to help with his war

[SkyBubble]

Whatever his reason was for attacking Iran, he's walked into a war the US has no hope of winning

Incorrect. We have the resources and ability to win it. The question is whether we hve the right strategy to do so and the will to stay the course.

the only valid motive I can see is that he has instructions to help Putin's finances so Putin can cntinue fighting Ukraine.

Ridiculous. Iran is Russia's (and China's) ally. They trade together. Iran is essential to keeping Russia's machine operating. You're alleging that he started a war with Russia's best ally in the region to help Russia.

If you look at all Trump's actions, they are designed to weaken the US strategically and to assist Putin to the greatest extent he can get away with without making it even more overt and open than he is.

Quite the opposite. His actions are designed to strengthen our position by taking out hostile rulers and breaking those countries' alliances with Russia and China, while destroying their ability to pose a nuclear threat to us and to the world.

Trump has offered nothing except active hostility and insults towards Zeensky and Ukraine.

And a peace plan, which Russia rejected. Trump is trying to end the war. You may not like his plan, but that is what he is attempting to do. His method, which again you may or may not agree with but has seemed to work in other situations, is to take one country's demands, present them to the other, and vice versa, to try and see if they can find some mutually acceptable arrangement.

And whatever your views on arming Ukraine, we should stop paying for their pensions and their bureaucracy. Military aid is a separate issue. Stop handing them blank checks.

 

[Hel_Books]

Philthy_Phil said:
He wants NATO countries to send ships because he fucked up and is an idiot.

You don't get to insult them then expect them to help you pedophile nation.

The so-called "allies" for the most part haven't been of any use for a long time, well before Trump took office.

They sent troops to fight in Afghanistan to help you after 9/11. Did Trump ever say "Thank you"?

 

[Hel_Books]

And a peace plan, which Russia rejected. Trump is trying to end the war. You may not like his plan,

Trump's plan is for Ukraine to surrender. What's not to like?

 

[SkyBubble]

Trump's plan is for Ukraine to surrender. What's not to like?

No, that is not it, despite your cult so desperately wanting that to be true.

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Trump's plan is for Ukraine to surrender. What's not to like?

No, that is not it, despite your cult so desperately wanting that to be true.

Looks like surrender to me. Here's Trump's proposal:
21. Territories:

— Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States.

— Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact. . . .

— Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation.

 

[Bluebanzai]

*Sighhh...

I'm never sure why I look at these threads, except that they're always top of the "new posts" list. And today's theme is apparently that NATO is a useless one-way street??

Facts are always helpful. NATO was formed as a specifically defensive alliance: an attack on one of us is defended by all. The treaty does not cover offensive actions, where an invasion undertaken by one member requires all others to risk the lives of their troops too. Otherwise, I guess Finland might be free to ponder a cheeky Sunday afternoon sortie into Russia, knowing we'd all be right behind them.

Interestingly, the only time the mutual defence provision (article five of the treaty) was ever invoked, it was by the US, after 9/11. Allies sent troops into a warzone on their behalf. Not all returned. Trump, of course, later claimed that our dead were serving somewhere behind the front line, before backtracking.

Hope this helps. The relevant sources are hyperlinked.

 

[SkyBubble]

That's not "Trump's proposal." it's the proposal Trump's people presented to Ukraine after meeting with Russia. It's Russia's proposal, which Ukraine rightly rejected. His negotiators then took a Ukrainian proposal to the Russians and they rejected that.

This is Trump's method. I don't think it's necessarily the most effective method, but it might work eventually. But what he's trying to do is make peace. Unfortunately, both sides are pretty entrenched in their positions, so this is harder and longer than other situations.

 

[Saint_Ann]

You’ve used that sad little put down already.
You’re not a creative thinker are you?

What Trump is doing will change the World for decades to come, for the better I might add. You can thank him later after you grow up.

 

[stxjimmy]

What Trump is doing will change the World for decades to come, for the better I might add. You can thank him later after you grow up.

Tired repetitive pointless

 

[Saint_Ann]

Tired repetitive pointless

You don't want to hear it. I understand. You should go buy a flag and celebrate.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

The so-called "allies" for the most part haven't been of any use for a long time, well before Trump took office.

Only the ignorant would think that way. You Americans want everyone to kiss your ass and if they aren't they are evil.

Get your head out of your ass you trumptard idiot.

Canada was the best, most reliable and most stable ally you or any other country ever had. That ship has now sailed, pedo.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Oh, I think the American president got hurt?
Which begs the question, should an American president communicate like this? It seems a bit.. childish?

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Trump: Requests naval assistance.
NATO countries: Don’t try to drown us in the quagmire you made.
Petulant Man-Baby: Throws a tantrum. “I don’t need your help! You are dummy dum-dums and I HATE you!! Waaaaahh!! Waaaaaaa!”

Sane people:

 

[Beachguy23]

What Trump is doing will change the World for decades to come, for the better I might add. You can thank him later after you grow up.

OMG you racist maga piece if shit, you and Trump are exactly what the world needs less of

 

[MajorRewrite]

What Trump is doing will change the World for decades to come, for the better I might add. You can thank him later after you grow up.

Poor RockHead. He never understands any discussion, but blusters about the greatness of Trump anyway.

He’s just like the PersonalFavors guy, who happened to disappear today before RockHead appeared. What a coincidence!

 

[stxjimmy]

You don't want to hear it. I understand. You should go buy a flag and celebrate.

Hear what, you have nothing to say

 

[Saint_Ann]

OMG you racist maga piece if shit, you and Trump are exactly what the world needs less of

What a nice thing to say.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Hear what, you have nothing to say

Trump is changing the World. Did you miss that?

 

[Hel_Books]

What Trump is doing will change the World for decades to come,

Shutting down the Strait of Hormuz will certainly encourage investment in renewable energy.

 

[Cat]

Shutting down the Strait of Hormuz will certainly encourage investment in renewable energy.

What a nice way to change the world, maybe we should thank the American president?

On that note, I should charge my EV.. With electricity from our windmills.

 

[Cat]

Only the ignorant would think that way. You Americans want everyone to kiss your ass and if they aren't they are evil.

Get your head out of your ass you trumptard idiot.

Canada was the best, most reliable and most stable ally you or any other country ever had. That ship has now sailed, pedo.

By the way, lovely to see Mark Carney at the meeting for the Nordic countries this weekend.

- I heard that some agreements regarding defences and military were made.

 

[Hel_Books]

Only the ignorant would think that way. You Americans want everyone to kiss your ass and if they aren't they are evil.

Get your head out of your ass you trumptard idiot.

Canada was the best, most reliable and most stable ally you or any other country ever had. That ship has now sailed, pedo.

I got to say that of all the things that Trump decided to do, the gratuitous attack on Canada was the strangest.

Maybe they couldn't afford the gift of a 747 like Qatar?

 

[SkyBubble]

Only the ignorant would think that way. You Americans want everyone to kiss your ass and if they aren't they are evil.

Get your head out of your ass you trumptard idiot.

Canada was the best, most reliable and most stable ally you or any other country ever had. That ship has now sailed, pedo.

Ukraine is in their back yard, but somehow it's solely our responsibility while our liies don't even meet the 2% requirement for defense that the NATO agreement imposes.

They won't help in the least in the Strait of Hormuz, despite it being in their intersts.

They want us to protect them from Russia while they buy Russian oil.

They've been useless for many years.

 

[Reggae156]

The so-called "allies" for the most part haven't been of any use for a long time, well before Trump took office.

Trump and his idiot brigade haven’t been of any use, ever!

 

[MajorRewrite]

Ukraine is in their back yard, but somehow it's solely our responsibility

Europe has provided more support than the US to Ukraine.

Nearly all aid to Ukraine has come from the United States and Europe. The United States has provided more aid than any other country, although European countries have collectively provided more than the United States. While the U.S. made no new aid commitments in 2025, aid from Europe increased significantly during the year.

Why do you make up dumb things?

 

[Cat]

Ukraine is in their back yard, but somehow it's solely our responsibility while our liies don't even meet the 2% requirement for defense that the NATO agreement imposes.

They won't help in the least in the Strait of Hormuz, despite it being in their intersts.

They want us to protect them from Russia while they buy Russian oil.

They've been useless for many years.

Okay.

/One of those cases where there is no hope. Shrug and "bless".