Ukraine must be free

[Rightguide]

The US getting more involved in the war could be spun as both hope and doom. If it hugely increases munitions production, then that is fuel and resources not spent on something else. What gets less spending is the hope or doom: infrastructure maintenance, suburban sprawl, reurbanization, healthcare, welfare, etc. There are smart ways to reorganize everything to afford a war, and there are the more likely possibilities with huge fuckups.

The idea that so many in DC are trying to start a war with Russia is militarily crazy on several levels.

 

[desecration]

The idea that so many in DC are trying to start a war with Russia is militarily crazy on several levels.

The BRICS are not going to hold off from war forever. Best to get ready and see if the rainbow careerist military can win anything.

 

[desecration]

What gets less spending is the hope or doom: infrastructure maintenance, suburban sprawl, reurbanization, healthcare, welfare, etc.

If it kills entitlements, it is saving us from ourselves (we are tards).

 

[wizzard426]

https://dirtyearniessolitude.blogspot.com/2024/04/theyre-gonna-get-killed-if-they-go.html

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Two perspectives on GOP debacle:

How Ukraine Wins

Leadership Lied, Said Border Funding Before Ukraine Aid

Ukraine can only win if Putin is deposed and I do not see that happening to the guy with the KGB in his back pocket.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The BRICS are not going to hold off from war forever. Best to get ready and see if the rainbow careerist military can win anything.

Our history shows that the peacetime generals are quickly shed.

We're a results-driven nation.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The US getting more involved in the war could be spun as both hope and doom. If it hugely increases munitions production, then that is fuel and resources not spent on something else. What gets less spending is the hope or doom: infrastructure maintenance, suburban sprawl, reurbanization, healthcare, welfare, etc. There are smart ways to reorganize everything to afford a war, and there are the more likely possibilities with huge fuckups.

We're never going to spend less money on vote-buying schemes.

Debt, in the minds of the elite, is easily eliminated with a few keystrokes...

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The numerical advantage is nothing new, and during the Cold War we overestimated their accuracy as well. Vietnam was Soviet and Chinese gear which predominated mostly by volume.

There might be a danger in assessing them by the past, especially China.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

PS - The AK is still a superb battlefield weapon...

 

[desecration]

I think your point about debt is the most interesting. People who are succeeding now see it as entirely arbitrary. This is not a good outlook since we are creating debt spending for dubious advantage, but as you say, in democracy all votes are traded or sold at some point.

 

[desecration]

First offensive missions:

Ukraine uses long-range missiles secretly provided by US to hit Russian-held areas, officials say

 

[desecration]

Republican Useful Idiots get BTFO by swamp creature:

Tucker Carlson responsible ‘demonization’ of Ukraine, Mitch McConnell says

 

[SmokingFap]

For every round we give to the Ukrainian army to fire at the Russians they reply with ten. The Secretary of The Army has said we are going to triple the US production rate of 155mm ammunition but it will take time to build the plants to do so and even at that rate the Russian production levels will still be higher. We have to replenish our stocks, the stocks we've drawn down in Europe, Israel, and South Korea. Americans are not being told just how far behind we are at present in the production of 155mm ammunition and in artillery replacement tubes as well.

Sounds like more fuel for our economy to me.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

(we are tards).

You sure are.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The west isn't producing ammunition or manpower as quickly or as cost effectively as Russia.

You can't send them what you don't have.

Have enough people not died yet, or will we wait till the last Ukrainian? Asking for a friend.

There is a cost associated with the "cost effectiveness" of Russian manpower. Russian military has historically used conscripts as frontline cannon fodder and casualty estimates from both side indicate this is still the norm. Russian casualties are far above projections.

"Calling up reserves" has a cost also. Russia has basically shut down phosphate mines in eastern Russia, which frees up manpower but it deprives Russia of badly needed foreign currency. Phosphate is Russia's number one export to China.

China has no phosphate mines and agriculture lives and dies on farmland having phosphate fertilizer available. Lots of fallow acreage in China this year, China is pissed off at Russia but come harvest time in the fall there will be some serious food shortages in China.

Looks like Russia is going "all in" this year for a decisive victory. It cannot afford multiple years of no exports.

 

[desecration]

Looks like Russia is going "all in" this year for a decisive victory.

Putin knows that a protracted war will be seen as a quagmire. Luckily Ukraine has begun to strike back at Russian strategic/economic targets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68888835

 

[RobDownSouth]

This seems like an escalation to me:

After months of denials from both US and Ukranian defense officials, both sides admitted that US long range missiles have been deployed to Ukraine today after photographic evidence was published showing these US missiles being hauled in the Ukraine by Ukrainian army transport trucks.

 

[desecration]

After months of denials from both US and Ukranian defense officials, both sides admitted that US long range missiles have been deployed to Ukraine today after photographic evidence was published showing these US missiles being hauled in the Ukraine by Ukrainian army transport trucks.

No doubt this is an escalation. This allows Ukraine to hit the Russians as the Russians have been hitting Ukraine. This gives the sides some parity and makes this conflict ("special military operation") more likely to end as a stalemate and thus get the parties to the bargaining table.

 

[jomar]

The bottom line problem is our ammunition stocks have been depleted to dangerous levels. To the point of threatening our national security and our ability to field a credible force. We have a lot of problems in our logistical military space. Don't kid yourself about Russian artillery it decimated our ground forces in Vietnam and it's decimated the Ukrainian Army as well. this is the US military view on Russian artillery systems:

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From what I saw a large chunk, maybe half, of the Ukraine bill money is going to replenish our stocks. Can’t put my finger on where I saw it.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The bottom line problem is our ammunition stocks have been depleted to dangerous levels. To the point of threatening our national security and our ability to field a credible force. We have a lot of problems in our logistical military space. Don't kid yourself about Russian artillery it decimated our ground forces in Vietnam and it's decimated the Ukrainian Army as well. this is the US military view on Russian artillery systems:

The current U.S. military assessment of Russian artillery systems indicates that Russian forces have a significant artillery advantage along the frontline. This advantage is quantified as a five-to-one ratio, which could potentially increase to ten-to-one in the coming weeks1.

Russian artillery systems are known for their precision and effectiveness. The ‘Koalitsiya-SV’ is a self-propelled artillery system that uses AI to lock onto targets up to 70 km away, with a deviation radius of about one to two meters, making it comparable to a sniper rifle in terms of accuracy1. Additionally, Russian artillery practices in Ukraine have adapted to overcome challenges and achieve greater efficacy, with artillery being central to the Russian way of war2.

Feel free to click those links for more information.

Your hatred for Americans and your undying love for Russia are on full display here.

 

[butters]

From what I saw a large chunk, maybe half, of the Ukraine bill money is going to replenish our stocks. Can’t put my finger on where I saw it.

here ya go:

In the Ukraine bill, of the $60.7bn, a total of about $23bn would be used by the US to replenish its military stockpiles, opening the door to future US military transfers to Ukraine. Another $14bn would go to the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, in which the Pentagon buys advanced new weapon systems for the Ukrainian military directly from US defence contractors.

There is also more than $11bn to fund current US military operations in the region, enhancing the capabilities of the Ukrainian military and fostering intelligence collaboration between Kyiv and Washington; and about $8bn in non-military assistance, such as helping Ukraine’s government continue basic operations, including the payment of salaries and pensions.

so there it is, a lot of it is going towards the upkeep of established American military resources plus money that directly benefits US defence contractors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ine-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-happens-next

 

[Lazaran]

here ya go:




so there it is, a lot of it is going towards the upkeep of established American military resources plus money that directly benefits US defence contractors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ine-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-happens-next

This ^



The lion’s share was ALWAYS going to the U.S. directly or indirectly.



The MAGAts were either too dumb, or too invested in helping Putin, to be honest about where the money was really going - or a dangerous combination of both.

 

[RobDownSouth]

From what I saw a large chunk, maybe half, of the Ukraine bill money is going to replenish our stocks. Can’t put my finger on where I saw it.

I saw it too. It was a press release by Congressman Jamie Raskin. $57 billion of the 85 billion allocated to Ukraine will be spent right here in the good ole USA, replenishing aging weapons systems that were sent to Ukraine at the outbreak of Putin's invasion.

One odd thing that has come out of this conflict is that Germany....GERMANY!....has leap-frogged both the US AND Russia in field artillery and anti-aircraft weapons system technologies. The US has stayed complacent with the aging Patriot air defense system, it looks kewl, it did well during shock 'n awe, etc.

But drones are the future, and US and Russian technologies are hit-or-miss when it comes to anti-drone technology.
Germany stepped into the breech (woohoo...artillery metaphor!) and come up with state-of-the-art Look-shoot-kill technology that can identify almost all drone technologies (even purported "camouflaged" drones). Hitting conventional missiles is still the bread and butter, but drone-killers added to the mix decreases artillery penetration by something like 25% additional. The difference between the US Patriot "kill rate" of 50-65% and German 75%-90% makes a real difference on the battlefield, and when more drones are used the difference can be considerable.

When US politicians dithered, Germany was able to fill the need and after a literal trial-by-fire is now the defensive weapon of choice in Ukraine.

 

[RobDownSouth]

here ya go:




so there it is, a lot of it is going towards the upkeep of established American military resources plus money that directly benefits US defence contractors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ine-what-we-know-so-far-and-what-happens-next

I spend 20 minutes typing up a response and you slide right on in beneath me. *grumble*

Nicely done, lass.

 

[butters]

I spend 20 minutes typing up a response and you slide right on in beneath me. *grumble*

Nicely done, lass.

yeah, but you have additional information in yours whereas mine was just a quick grab and slap, so it's a win-win for information, right? *nods*