Vice President

[Ulaven_Demorte]

He has served two terms as pres. and would not be eligible to be elected again or to become VP.

The law states that a person may only be elected as President twice.

There is no mention of that person being unqualified to be Vice President after serving two terms as President. Likewise, according to the letter of the law a VP could take office as President should something happen to the elected President and still be eligible to be elected President twice more so long as they didn't serve more than two years of their elected President's term. It's technically possible for someone to serve as President for 1 year, 11months and 29 days and still be elected twice more and serve a total of 1 day shy of 10 years.

It could also be possible for a former 2 term President to be elected as Vice President and take over as President immediately should something happen to the President and end up serving as President for up to 12 years.

Possible, but not likely.

 

[Wrong Element]

The law states that a person may only be elected as President twice.

There is no mention of that person being unqualified to be Vice President after serving two terms as President.

The 12th Amendment says that no one who is ineligible to be President can be elected Vice President. I assume that leaves out not only those under 35, those who aren't natural-born citizens etc, but also anyone who has already been President for two terms. This has never been tested (the 12th Amendment was partially superseded by the two-terms-only amendment), but practically speaking, I can't imagine there would be any political benefit that would justify opening this can of worms.

 

[patient1]

Isn't that where we're headed anyway?

Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush?

Maybe Hillary can pick George P Bush for VP and Jeb can pick Chelsea Clinton as his VP.

Yeah. I was dreading the Clinton vs. Bush repeat scenario, fearing it would confirm us as an oligarchy, but I realize now that it's already way worse than I thought.

 

[Lord_Nibiru]

privately, a rothschild or rockefeller (or maybe a goldman/sachs)

publicly, I have no fucks left to give

 

[Boxlicker101]

The 12th Amendment says that no one who is Constitutionally ineligible to be President can be elected Vice President. I assume that leaves out not only those under 35, those who aren't natural-born citizens etc, but also anyone who has already been President for two terms. This has never been tested (the 12th Amendment was partially superseded by the two-terms-only amendment), but practically speaking, I can't imagine there would be any political benefit that would justify opening this can of worms.

In addition, the electors cannot vote for a pres. and VP from the same state. In a close election, it would be possible to wind up with a Dem. pres. and a GOP VP.

I added that bolded word in the first paragraph.

 

[Wrong Element]

In addition, the electors cannot vote for a pres. and VP from the same state. In a close election, it would be possible to wind up with a Dem. pres. and a GOP VP.

I went through all that with busybody several years ago. It would liken it to arguing with a brick wall, but brick walls don't constantly call me a nigger.

We had just that scenario in 2000 -- if Cheney hadn't fraudulently claimed Wyoming residency even though he was living in Texas by then, Lieberman might have been VP serving under GWB. Which would changed ... well, absolutely nothing.

 

[Busybody]

I went through all that with busybody several years ago. It would liken it to arguing with a brick wall, but brick walls don't constantly call me a nigger.

We had just that scenario in 2000 -- if Cheney hadn't fraudulently claimed Wyoming residency even though he was living in Texas by then, Lieberman might have been VP serving under GWB. Which would changed ... well, absolutely nothing.

like CUNT CLINTON in NY?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I went through all that with busybody several years ago. It would liken it to arguing with a brick wall, but brick walls don't constantly call me a nigger.

We had just that scenario in 2000 -- if Cheney hadn't fraudulently claimed Wyoming residency even though he was living in Texas by then, Lieberman might have been VP serving under GWB. Which would changed ... well, absolutely nothing.

It might have changed a lot. Lieberman is and was liked and respected by almost everybody. When Bush termed out, he might have been nominated for pres., possibly even by both parties, and been elected. I believe we would be better off if that happened, and he would have been a first also - The first Jewish president.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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I went through all that with busybody several years ago. It would liken it to arguing with a brick wall, but brick walls don't constantly call me a nigger.

We had just that scenario in 2000 -- if Cheney hadn't fraudulently claimed Wyoming residency even though he was living in Texas by then, Lieberman might have been VP serving under GWB. Which would changed ... well, absolutely nothing.

like CUNT CLINTON in NY?

In all honesty, also like McCain in AZ. He moved into the state just days before filing as a candidate for Congress.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

the good news, or at least there is hope that who ever the next POTUS is...they can't fuck things up as much as the great Cuckold Asshole obaNa

 

[BotanyBoy]

and he would have been a first also - The first Jewish president.

Always back to whats important most with box....

 

[Setanta84]

In all honesty, also like McCain in AZ. He moved into the state just days before filing as a candidate for Congress.

McCain is also the 2008 presidential general election candidate who didn't meet the birth requirement. He was born overseas and in transit from wherever his mother went into labor to the base hospital. But his father, being top Navy brass, had that fixed.

Another example is Rahm Emanuel. He clearly abandoned residency in Chicago and was caught off-guard--along with most people--that Daley wasn't seeking another term. Luckily, when you know the right people, your brother hands you a paper bag filled with $22m in out-of-state money, and you offer your predecessor's brother your old job, things like election law don't apply to you.

Also, almost nobody in state government in Texas actually lives where he or she serves.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Also, almost nobody in state government in Texas actually lives where he or she serves.

That's most politicians nation wide.


They all live here.
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Some of us live here.
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And most of us live between
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and
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No one who can afford the former lives with the latter....no one.

 

[Boxlicker101]

McCain is also the 2008 presidential general election candidate who didn't meet the birth requirement. He was born overseas and in transit from wherever his mother went into labor to the base hospital. But his father, being top Navy brass, had that fixed.

Another example is Rahm Emanuel. He clearly abandoned residency in Chicago and was caught off-guard--along with most people--that Daley wasn't seeking another term. Luckily, when you know the right people, your brother hands you a paper bag filled with $22m in out-of-state money, and you offer your predecessor's brother your old job, things like election law don't apply to you.

Also, almost nobody in state government in Texas actually lives where he or she serves.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone - a possession of the US at the time. His father was a naval officer posted there so he met the requirements of the Constitution.

 

[rippitydoo]

the good news, or at least there is hope that who ever the next POTUS is...they can't fuck things up as much as the great Cuckold Asshole obaNa

Perhaps, but mainly b/c that amount being measured might require a decimal point.

GOPs forget much of this mess was created by George, his Overrated Predecessor.

 

[Wrong Element]

Tim Kaine.

* From a swing state
* From a state with a Democratic governor (so his Senate seat wouldn't be lost)
* Ideologically compatible
* Inoffensive, no known quirks or drawbacks, has no chance of being a Cheney-like power-grabber or otherwise overshadowing a president
* And yes, male (plenty of qualified women on the Democratic side, but I am assuming there would never be a two-woman ticket)

This dude called it 15 months ago. Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me.

 

[sr71plt]

This dude called it 15 months ago. Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me.

I called it too (but not fifteen months ago) for what I think is a more telling reason: It clears a Virginia U.S. senate seat for current Virginia governor Terry Macculife, who can't run again for governor and is a bestest friend (and former campaign manager) of the Clintons.

 

[Wrong Element]

I called it too (but not fifteen months ago) for what I think is a more telling reason: It clears a Virginia U.S. senate seat for current Virginia governor Terry Macculife, who can't run again for governor and is a bestest friend (and former campaign manager) of the Clintons.

We'll see if McAuliffe picks an obvious caretaker to replace Kaine (like when the Delaware governor picked Biden's chief of staff to keep that seat warm), or if he chooses someone who has real ambitions of sticking around.

My guess is that it will be really hard for McAuliffe to win another election in that state if Clinton is President, and I suspect he knows this. But I also have to say I had low expectations for him as governor, and he seems to be getting through his term unscathed.

 

[JackLuis]

Hillary Clinton announces Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine as her VP pick

Just to inform the masses as to what happened today.

Hillary Clinton named U.S. Senator Tim Kaine as her running mate on Friday, making a safe choice that will help her present the Democratic ticket as a steady alternative to the unpredictable campaign of Republican presidential rival Donald Trump.

The selection of Kaine, a self-described “boring” Virginian with wide governing experience and a reputation for low-key competence, could appeal to independents and moderates but is likely to anger liberal groups who object to his advocacy for an Asian free-trade pact.

But the Spanish-speaking former Virginia governor and Richmond mayor fits Clinton’s long-stated criteria that the vice presidential choice be a capable partner who is ready to take over the presidency if necessary.

Clinton made the announcement via Twitter after the first day of a two-day campaign swing in Florida.

 

[sr71plt]

My guess is that it will be really hard for McAuliffe to win another election in that state if Clinton is President, and I suspect he knows this. But I also have to say I had low expectations for him as governor, and he seems to be getting through his term unscathed.

Excuse me? Both senators and the governor are Democrats and Virginia went for Obama twice. Both current senators got there through the governor's mansion. The congressional seats are only Republican heavy because of gerrymandering, which the Supreme Court is chipping away at. There's no Republican setting up for the top races who is moderate enough to win across the state. McAuliffe's "in" with the Clintons will make him a shoo-in for the Senate if she's in the White House. The majority of Virginians are smart enough to know how to feather their nest--when there's an across-the-state vote.

 

[JackLuis]

Clinton Inflames Progressive Base with Choice of Tim Kaine as Vice President

Hillary Clinton's Friday night announcement of Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia as her vice-presidential running mate stirred immediate disappointment and outrage among the progressive wing of her party and the army of supporters inspired by Bernie Sanders' historic and visionary campaign.

"I'm thrilled to tell you," Clinton texted those on her mailing list just before 8:15 PM EDT on Friday evening: "I've chosen Sen. Tim Kaine as my running mate."

"Secretary Clinton must know that her choice of Kaine can only inflame rather than soothe her relations with the huge constituency of Bernie supporters." —Norman Solomon, RootsAction.orgReporting in recent days increasingly signaled that Kaine was Clinton's top choice, but the official announcement confirmed the worst fears of progressives who warned such a pick would be taken as "a pronounced middle finger" to the millions who voted for Sanders during the primary season. At stake, many critics of the choice indicate, are pressing issues—including reproductive rights, climate change, financial regulation, and corporate-friendly trade agreements—where Kaine holds positions far to the right of where they think the party should be headed.

Shrinking poll numbers and Clinton shows her disregard for half of the party? Way to boost Trump's chances HRC.

 

[phrodeau]

This dude called it 15 months ago. Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me.

Nicely done.

Did you make any wagers?

 

[patient1]

This dude called it 15 months ago. Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me.

Yes, it was.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Tim Kaine.

* From a swing state
* From a state with a Democratic governor (so his Senate seat wouldn't be lost)
* Ideologically compatible
* Inoffensive, no known quirks or drawbacks, has no chance of being a Cheney-like power-grabber or otherwise overshadowing a president
* And yes, male (plenty of qualified women on the Democratic side, but I am assuming there would never be a two-woman ticket)

And the winner is!

 

[Wrong Element]

Nicely done.

Did you make any wagers?

If only. And to be honest, I almost picked Deval Patrick, and I don't know that the Clinton people ever considered him.

But Democrats in particular like to choose sitting senators for veep (I think the only exceptions in my lifetime are Geraldine Ferraro and Sargent Shriver, and McGovern originally wanted a senator instead of Shriver). Once you eliminate senators whose seats would be vulnerable to a GOP governor, all women Dem senators (it never made sense Hillary would take that risk), and certain others for various reasons (Leahy is too old, Menendez's ethics are lousy, etc), there weren't many names left.

Kaine basically feels like someone who was born to be a vice president.