Walker Has No College Degree...

[cjh]

So anyone who criticizes any aspect of Ameican culture or history or politics hates America?

 

[Sean Renaud]

So anyone who criticizes any aspect of Ameican culture or history or politics hates America?

Honestly anybody who doesn't sing this song every morning hates America.

I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide,
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

I feel strong about right and wrong,
And I don't take trouble for very long,
I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

Now memorize it because if you can't sing that the next time I see you I'm deporting you to Russia.

 

[Busybody]

So anyone who criticizes any aspect of Ameican culture or history or politics hates America?

if you say GOD DAMN AMERICA....yes

 

[KingOrfeo]

As for deep cover moles intending to destroy a nation from within: They would be rare, but not impossible.

One becoming POTUS would be impossible.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Desperate bullshit.

He is. See post #148. See also here, here, here, here, and here.

 

[Busybody]

ISIS just took over Libya....no one AXES CUNT CLINTON about it

but EVOLUTION is the ISSUE

all LIBZ and DUMZ should be ISIS'ed

 

[BotanyBoy]

ISIS just took over Libya....

OH NOE!!! THAT MEANS.....THAT MEANS!!....nothing to the US.

no one AXES CUNT CLINTON about it

Because it's largely irrelevant to the people of the US.

 

[Busybody]

 

[BotanyBoy]

I noticed how you pointed out how life in the US will be crippled because of this.....oh wait.

 

[cjh]

Do we know yet whether Vette currently believes in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost?

 

[CarnivalBarker]

Most of the major innovators of our time have had no college degree. Good....Walker is my vote then. Moving along again....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Most of the major innovators of our time have had no college degree. Good....Walker is my vote then. Moving along again....

Citation is needed.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Citation is needed.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f1/cb/32/f1cb3213249c849827956a72442401f6.jpg

 

[KingOrfeo]

Most of the major innovators of our time have had no college degree.

Only in the arts. In other fields there's Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and that's about it. Most successful businesscritters, most inventors and techies, most religious leaders, most philosophers, and all scientists have degrees. As for politics, I can't think of anything worth doing in the past 100 years in America that was done by college dropouts. (Dropouts in public office, that is. Of course you don't need any college to be a political activist. But it helps immensely. MLK went to college.)

 

[Boxlicker101]

Only in the arts. In other fields there's Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and that's about it. Most successful businesscritters, most inventors and techies, most religious leaders, most philosophers, and all scientists have degrees. As for politics, I can't think of anything worth doing in the past 100 years in America that was done by college dropouts. (Dropouts in public office, that is. Of course you don't need any college to be a political activist. But it helps immensely. MLK went to college.)

How about the actions of Harry Truman?

 

[Que]

Citation is needed.

http://elitedaily.com/news/business/100-top-entrepreneurs-succeeded-college-degree/

 

[Sean Renaud]

Most of the major innovators of our time have had no college degree. Good....Walker is my vote then. Moving along again....

http://elitedaily.com/news/business/100-top-entrepreneurs-succeeded-college-degree/

So you're claim is that those 100 constitute most of the major innovators of our time?

This despite the fact that Lincoln clearly wasn't this century no matter how you want to attempt to nitpick. Number 2 opened a bank, that's good business sure, but innovative hardly. You didn't provide a list of innovators, just people who got rich. I bet we could put a bunch of rap stars and sports idols on a list too if that was the claim we were working with.

Christopher Columbus is #18 on the list. Please, tell me what queer math makes him a major innovator in the last century. Please because I'm a liberal idiot who has been informed constantly that I know nothing about American Exceptionalism or History and need to hit the books. That my public education is lacking. Clearly I'm the one who fucked up here will someone help me?

 

[Que]

So you're claim is that those 100 constitute most of the major innovators of our time?

This despite the fact that Lincoln clearly wasn't this century no matter how you want to attempt to nitpick. Number 2 opened a bank, that's good business sure, but innovative hardly. You didn't provide a list of innovators, just people who got rich. I bet we could put a bunch of rap stars and sports idols on a list too if that was the claim we were working with.

Christopher Columbus is #18 on the list. Please, tell me what queer math makes him a major innovator in the last century. Please because I'm a liberal idiot who has been informed constantly that I know nothing about American Exceptionalism or History and need to hit the books. That my public education is lacking. Clearly I'm the one who fucked up here will someone help me?

I think his claim of "most" is a bit hyperbolic, but it is certainly possible.

Those are the outliers. If that degree of success is possible, think of all of the small business owners and others. We do know that if you go to college you have a 50% chance of being unable to find work in your field. People that do not go have all of the capital they are able to save by working those four years, have experience of four years and have, on average a hole that is 100K less deep to begin their life with.

We have no evidence that the last two presidents learned anything of significance in college, neither were stand-out students, neither had any memorable writings. One of course was, "historic," so there is that.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think his claim of "most" is a bit hyperbolic, but it is certainly possible.

Those are the outliers. If that degree of success is possible, think of all of the small business owners and others. We do know that if you go to college you have a 50% chance of being unable to find work in your field. People that do not go have all of the capital they are able to save by working those four years, have experience of four years and have, on average a hole that is 100K less deep to begin their life with.

We have no evidence that the last two presidents learned anything of significance in college, neither were stand-out students, neither had any memorable writings. One of course was, "historic," so there is that.

It's "possible" in the same way that it's possible you're actually skynet. I doubt it's even a significant chunk. Half those people are only innovators if you get a bit loose with what the word innovator means. I'm not sure I think a restaurant should qualify as innovative. They were successful and this is not meant to take away from their success because that is something to be proud of. But innovators?

I wasn't defending or attacking college. I was calling bullshit on most innovators in the last century did not complete college. Though the stats clearly show that college is worth it even if you end up using your degree to manage a McDonalds because they won't let you with out at least a BS.

Obama was a stand out student, there is no reason to doubt that any of the presidents learned a great deal that was significant in college. You could attempt to argue that it might not be applicable to being POTUS and everything and nothing is applicable to being POTUS. If fucking John Boehner is a huge Comic Book nerd and Obama coming down to shoot the shit with him about Wolverine vs Hulk got something through Congress then that's the most important goddamn thing in the world ain't it? I fucking HATE golf, but I know good and damn well that if I want to keep making money in my industry I have to at least be willing to go out there embarass the hell out of myself and smile. Cus that's and important thing to know.

 

[RobDownSouth]

We have no evidence that the last two presidents learned anything of significance in college, neither were stand-out students, neither had any memorable writings. One of course was, "historic," so there is that.

President Obama got into Columbia college, the nation's second most selective college of all Ivy League schools, as an undergraduate. He later attended Harvard Law school. You don't get to attend either institution unless you're a standout student, so your specious attempt to denigrate the President is particularly laughable.

 

[Wrong Element]

So anyone who criticizes any aspect of Ameican culture or history or politics hates America?

Who was that one clown here who kept posting that it was wrong to mourn the death of Nelson Mandela in any way, because Mandela was a known critic of American foreign policy? "Hater of American foreign policy" describes most of the people who post on this board.

 

[Busybody]

President Obama got into Columbia college, the nation's second most selective college of all Ivy League schools, as an undergraduate. He later attended Harvard Law school. You don't get to attend either institution unless you're a standout student, so your specious attempt to denigrate the President is particularly laughable.

there is no record of any of that

 

[Busybody]

you can tell he is the front runner and they are afraid

New Yorker Ragazine just killed him

and

Cher called him RACIST and SEXIST

 

[KingOrfeo]

I wouldn't call that pandering. I would call it refusing to be baited into making personal attacks and slinging mud. That's something I wish all politicians would do.

If Walker had simply said "Of course Obama is a Christian," as any sane and sensible person would, how would that be "making personal attacks and slinging mud"?

Funny you should phrase it that way, BTW.

But as you can see, the definition of the gotcha has undergone a subtle change over the years. Where it was once thought to be a question about their personal life or history designed to embarrass the candidate with the mere insinuation, today’s gotcha is almost always a question rudely designed to test the candidate’s knowledge of the issues and skill in navigating treacherous political controversies. (They can thank George W. Bush and Sarah Palin for that — they made it obvious these tests were necessary.)

Scott Walker, for instance, was making the apparently requisite GOP primary candidate’s pilgrimage to Britain where he was quizzed about whether or not he believes in evolution. He quite oddly replied that he was going to “punt” rather than try to answer. According to the right wing this is the worst kind of gotcha journalism because it is irrelevant and solely designed to embarrass the Governor. His staff later released an anodyne statement saying that he believes there is no conflict between the Bible and science, which would seem an obvious enough answer for any American running for city council much less the presidency. It revealed that Walker wasn’t quite ready for prime time.

More interesting, however, is the idea that such a question isn’t relevant. It is certainly relevant to the evangelical community from which Scott Walker hails and from whom he will need to draw support in the primaries. The fact that so many Republicans consider asking about evolution to to be a gotcha question is revealing. Evidently they believe that most Americans would find it embarrassing if their candidate said he believes what a substantial faction of their party believes. (They are,of course, right about that.)

But Walker’s latest alleged victimization at the hands of the gotcha police is more interesting. When asked whether President Obama is a Christian he said he didn’t know. Now anyone who has followed politics for the past seven years knows that the right wing fever swamps are convinced that Barack Obama is a Muslim. They also know that he worshipped in the Christian church under the leadership of Reverent Jeremiah Wright, but because they believe Wright is an America hating black nationalist, it is further proof that Obama is actually a Muslim. (No, this doesn’t make any sense.) Walker is a professional politician, the Governor of a large midwestern state and a card carrying member of the conservative movement. By saying he didn’t know if the President was a Christian, it’s fair to assume that Walker didn’t want to make that “punt” mistake again and thought he was being “mainstream” by not blurting out the president is a Muslim and simply saying he didn’t know. This shows Walker needs to talk to some people other than Sean Hannity and Steve King.

The right has rallied to his side, shrieking about “gotcha” journalism and issuing philosophical treatises on epistemology. (Does anyone really know anything at all?) The best is this one from Charles C. W. Cooke:

As Soren Kierkegaard rather brutally observed, the question of what we mean by a “Christian” is extremely complicated, especially in a country in which most people claim to be devout.

(That’s pretty funny coming as virtually every war hawk in the nation is declares himself an expert on Islam…)

But as much as the “gotcha” may have devolved from an impertinent personal question designed to plant the idea that a politician is a naughty boy to a “question that Sarah Palin and George W. Bush are too stupid to answer” to a question that will make a desperate rightwinger very nervous, there is a method to their madness and it’s actually an evergreen strategy.

Ed Kilgore explained it well in this post called “Big crowds at Walker’s pity party“:

Yesterday I expressed scorn that the guy who’s endured all those famous death threats in Wisconsin can’t seem to summon up the courage to answer difficult questions. But perhaps Team Walker is planning to treat media hostility as another form of persecution, along with the death threats. It does scratch the culture-war itch without necessarily involving a controversial issue position.

There it is. The “liberal media” cri de guerre brings all the disparate threads of the conservative coalition together, from the persecuted social conservatives out on the front lines defending Christians against the marauding secularists to the poor scapegoated Masters of the Universe who are trying to make capitalism safe for rich people. (Not to mention the assault on the good name of that great patriotic combat journalist Bill O’Reilly …)

That damned liberal media is once again making them look like fanatics and criminals by asking them questions about what they believe before they’ve had a chance to check with their handlers. How low can you get?

 

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