Wanna Bicker about/discuss Digital Art vs digital "art"?

[fabfables]

I think a lot of the discussion so far has confused the difference between good and bad art with that between art and non-art. I see discussion of the second as a waste of time. Most art since at least the impressionists would be dismissed by pretty much any artist practicing before the 19th century.

Good and bad art is a matter of opinion. Opinions need to be supported by argument if you want others to agree with you. Saying something is crap is not enough on its own. Most people don't supply arguments or explanations for their position, so in the end that sort of discussion is usually also a waste of time.

I look at everything. If it resonates with me, I spend more time with it. That includes so-called AI. If some people try to pass it off as their own work, the issue is their dishonesty, not AI. That's not denying all sorts of potential problems, even with the technology as it stands now.

 

[DaniChris]

Rather than hijack folks' threads we can discuss the validness or invalidity of various mediums.
Obviously (I hope) any image view on Literotica is "digital" — However it was originally created, what we are viewing is a bunch of pixels.

I hope to focus primarily on erotic works featuring human subjects.

Pencil renderings.
Pen and ink.
Paintings (oil, acrylic, watercolor)
Photography (film, digital)
Digital painting/drawing (by hand with a stylus using software like photoshop, gimp, procreate...)

Many works go through multiple processes.
Hand drawn/painted works are scanned then can be manipulated further with digital software. Photos can be digitally augmented, painted/drawn into with.

We also have digital imagery that utilizes human facsimiles (wireframe bodies, that can be posed and lit) using software like Poser, and DAZ...
These can be made quite "believable" with some skill and knowledge (and add-ons). They can also be made to look more hand-rendered via some digital painting/ touch-up.

There are also images which are photos (culled from the internet) and run through filters to appear to be hand painted/rendered.
Photoshop has quite the library "artistic" filters: ARTISTIC: colored pencil, cut out, dry brush, film grain, fresco, neon glow, paint daubs, pallet knife, plastic wrap, poster edges, rough pastels, smudge stick, sponge, underpainting & watercolor. All with multiple sliders of variables.
AND- Brush strokes and various sketch options...and

And more recently AI imagery (Artificial Intelligence). These images are generated via typed prompts. The software (not actually "intelligent") gathers from a data base of stolen digitally published imagery which corresponds to the prompts, then via the programming mushes the data together in order to create a "new" image.
Sometimes the result is quite interesting, exciting or pleasing. HOWEVER it is not the work of the prompter.


That's kinda brushing the surface. AHahhaahAhhahhAHAha!

Ok, have at it.

They introduced several AI tools in the art classes I am taking at the university. (Yeah Im an art major that will probably have to marry rich to survive.) there is a lot more to those tools than just hitting a button watch it make a picture. There is a lot of opportunity for the artist to input theme, style, subject matter, composition, etc to create a picture the artist envisions. The artist still has the final say that results in the end product. But again it is a tool, just like the paint brush, pencil, or knife. the art comes from the imagination of the artist using the tool.

A classic example is a class I help teach at a rehab center where artists are unable to use ordinary means to express themselves through art. Using a computer that responds to voice commands the artist can tell an ai program what he or she want to see in his painting. We call everything a painting in our class. The input to the painting is completely from the aritist's imagination. the hundreds and sometimes maybe more iterations of the drawing come from the artist fine tuning the image he or she want to create. its amazing to see someone who can't hold a paintbrush create some incredible art.
so dont be to quick to pass judgement on AI, it can be used for good, not only evil.

Dani

Rather than hijack folks' threads we can discuss the validness or invalidity of various mediums.
Obviously (I hope) any image view on Literotica is "digital" — However it was originally created, what we are viewing is a bunch of pixels.

I hope to focus primarily on erotic works featuring human subjects.

Pencil renderings.
Pen and ink.
Paintings (oil, acrylic, watercolor)
Photography (film, digital)
Digital painting/drawing (by hand with a stylus using software like photoshop, gimp, procreate...)

Many works go through multiple processes.
Hand drawn/painted works are scanned then can be manipulated further with digital software. Photos can be digitally augmented, painted/drawn into with.

We also have digital imagery that utilizes human facsimiles (wireframe bodies, that can be posed and lit) using software like Poser, and DAZ...
These can be made quite "believable" with some skill and knowledge (and add-ons). They can also be made to look more hand-rendered via some digital painting/ touch-up.

There are also images which are photos (culled from the internet) and run through filters to appear to be hand painted/rendered.
Photoshop has quite the library "artistic" filters: ARTISTIC: colored pencil, cut out, dry brush, film grain, fresco, neon glow, paint daubs, pallet knife, plastic wrap, poster edges, rough pastels, smudge stick, sponge, underpainting & watercolor. All with multiple sliders of variables.
AND- Brush strokes and various sketch options...and

And more recently AI imagery (Artificial Intelligence). These images are generated via typed prompts. The software (not actually "intelligent") gathers from a data base of stolen digitally published imagery which corresponds to the prompts, then via the programming mushes the data together in order to create a "new" image.
Sometimes the result is quite interesting, exciting or pleasing. HOWEVER it is not the work of the prompter.


That's kinda brushing the surface. AHahhaahAhhahhAHAha!

Ok, have at it.

We were introduced to AI tools in our art class this semester. (Yes Im an art major...and yes I'll probably have to marry rich to survive...lol). It was very interesting as we focused on the software as a tool not a crutch.
I also had the opportunity to help teach an art class at a local rehab center. We offer an art class that featured the use of AI tool for artists who for some reason, accident or illness, can no longer use a brush, penci, knife and pallete. Using AI artwork software the artist can use verbal commands to create the image they envision in thier minds. The program is a tool but the imagination, composition, style, and choices are in the imagination of the artist. If the artist doesnt like what he see's he commands the computer to take a step back. I can't emphasize this enough, the art comes from the artist using the computer, the computer doesnt create it the idea. It fun to watch the artist go through hundreds if not more iterations of a scene before the artist is satisfied.

So don't be to quick to put down AI art generators. In the right hands it can be used for good and not evil.

Ive attached a pic one artist created of me..all I gave him was a black and white pic of me from the shoulders up. He took it from there and created the scene you see

https://ibb.co/xJLLvQr

Dani