Was Hitler A Socialist? Of Course, He Was

[Politruk]

And economic nationalism or protectionism is the same. No "liberal" in your sense of the word would ever tolerate tariffs.

 

[Politruk]

"National liberal" is an even more glaring contradiction in terms than "national socialist."

 

[Politruk]

Because that's the true equity....that's how real egalitarianism is done.

No, that's how Herrenvolk democracy is done. It's not the same thing.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

And economic nationalism or protectionism is the same. No "liberal" in your sense of the word would ever tolerate tariffs.

True. This clown is illiterate.

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[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Ad hom....how childishly pathetic.



Where the fuck did I do that? Put the crack pipe down son.


Says the clown who can't fucking read.

Like i say, most of this crowd are illiterate twats.

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[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

That's a bit of an extreme (American) view of (non-Nazi) socialism. From what I observe (I follow US politics rather closely for professional reasons), the right in the US has a tendency to declare that anything that limits a personal freedom, or that costs them a dollar that they do not immediately benefit from themselves, is socialism (or even worse: communism). And since it limits a specific freedom that they personally want, or costs them something, it must be bad bad bad. However, one person's freedom ends where another one's begins, and living together in a society has costs that have to be shared for the benefit of all.

Being European, I'm used to what is called Social Democrats, who definitely cannot be called authoritarians. (As always, it's a spectrum, which is why Noam Chomsky can correctly make his "socialist libertarian" statement.) Having said that, some of their policies definitely do limit personal freedoms more than I agree with and I would prefer not having those imposed on me. But certain personal freedom policies of the (at least when viewed in the European context) center-right party that I vote for don't match my own opinions either.

For all clarity: I'm interested in intellectual honesty and open-mindedness. Contrary to some in this debate, I do not call Hitler a socialist because "Left bad; Hitler & Nazi bad; Call Hitler socialist and left Nazi to annoy/attack them." I call him one because he was one, based on where his (inconsistent) philosophy and ideology evolved from, and based on what it contained. If I were a non-Nazi socialist, I would still can him a socialist, without seeing that as an attack on myself.

For even more clarity: I do not want to tell US people how to run their country (even if I sure do have opinions about that), which is why I try to limit my posts to "Was Hitler a socialist?" However, I will make one exception to that rule: I expect the US government to not interfere in European politics either. When VP-elect JD Vance starts calling the German AfD party – who are die-hard neo-Nazis in all but name – “the only solution for Germany", then I definitely do wonder... Remember: “Nazi bad”.

PS: I'm not German, despite fluently speaking German and knowing a lot about German history.

Thank you. America has been destroyed by this kind of internet-based nonsense.

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[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

What can I say....

I'm a product of my environment.

The possibility that you ever held a firearm is as likely as my getting preggers.

Correction: this is your environment:

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[Politruk]

LOL no it's not.

No one who really cares about liberty can reasonably limit it to persons of one's own national demos. Nor can he rank national territory as a form of collective property that may not be trespassed upon by non-owners. A person who may not cross a border is not free.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Quite a lot of American Communists became neoconservatives. Common roots?

Happy Saturday!

The Nazis were famous for recruiting ex-coms.

https://www.outono.net/elentir/2020...-german-communists-who-joined-the-nazi-party/

Neocons were/are of a different order. I am one and i knew all of them from Nathan Glazer and Irving Kristol to Norman Podhoretz and Hilton Kramer. I published in their magazines and spoke at their events.

My books benefited from their support.

I was a major writer for THE WEEKLY STANDARD, the neocon organ.

Neocons were former Trotskyists. Bill Kristol, editor of TWS, once quoted Lenin on Fox. When i questioned this, he said that of course he couldn't quote Trotsky.

Because:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2003/06/trotskycons-stephen-schwartz/

This development began in 1939 with this:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/idom/dm/index.htm

When i went to work for Reagan i lied. I told everyone it was about hating the Sovs for betraying the rev. I do hate them, for everything about Russ political culture as defined by the great and true liberal Alexander Herzen, who wrote:

"With us the individual has always been crushed, absorbed, he has never even tried to emerge. Free speech with us has always been considered insolence, independence, subversion; man was engulfed in the State, dissolved in the community. The revolution of Peter the Great replaced the obsolete squirearchy of Russia — with a European bureaucracy; everything that could be copied from the Swedish and German codes, everything that could be taken over from the free municipalities of Holland into our half-communal, half-absolutist country, was taken over; but the unwritten, the moral check on power, the instinctive recognition of the rights of man, of the rights of thought, of truth, could not be and were not imported.

"With us slavery increased with education; the State grew and improved but the individual reaped nothing from it; on the contrary, the stronger the State, the weaker the individual. European forms of administration and justice, of military and civil organization, developed with us into a kind of monstrous and inescapable despotism.

"Were it not that Russia was so vast, that the alien system of power was so chaotically established, so incompetently administered, one might have said without exaggeration that no human being with any sense of his own dignity could live in Russia."

Working for Reagan my success was based on my encyclopedic knowledge of Russian Communist history, and particularly of the crimes of Stalin. I was the neocon prince.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lulu_Schwartz

But my real motivation was to create a better life for me and my family. And i have achieved that.

The Russ, however, do not forgive, and messing with them has serious consequences.

I came on this site with great reservations about the wisdom of doing so. I had left political life in the old sense. I thought the Russ would have forgotten me. I wanted to live a new life as a transwoman supported by my loving family.

They didn't. I was doxxed here. I deal with their surveillance and harassment daily. Only days ago i suffered a serious "accident" that SFPD is investigating.

I live in a city where the old Stalinist labor union network headed by an Australian turd named Harry Bridges funded a new Stalino-"liberal" Dem machine now identified with Leprosi.

Kamala is independent of that machine. I supported Kam with reservations. But the machine puked up Babba Lee, a Russo-Cube agent sitting in Congress:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee

If anyone takes the time to actually read this book they will find the whole story laid out:

From West to East: California and the Making of the American Mind https://a.co/d/b2MA5IW

The Stalinists murdered labor dissidents in the streets of San Francisco, and the Bay Area sheltered Stalinist assassins who left a trail of blood across four continents. There was no McCarthyism here and the commie stranglehold on the waterfront induced the business class to protect them.

Trumpy whoring for the Russ didn't start with him. He inherited the legacy of Alger Hiss.

This episode, which launched the radical '60s, was cooked up by the commies when Congress came to town to investigate local connects with the Trotsky assassination.

Look familiar? The same guff is peddled today.

Two salient issues: one, nearly ignored here, is the Stalin-Hitler pact; another is that the rhetoric employed by DJT, Gabbard, et al about peace and American imperialism reproduces the common Nazi-Soviet rhetoric of that era.

Dems vs. GOP means nothing to the Russ. They want Ukraine in the U.S.

The Allies defeated Hitler. Stalin replaced Hitler.

ICYMI I have stipulated to the Federal Bureau of Investigation that i believe the claims by Poo Poo Pee Pee to knowledge of Russ interference with my family are the ravings of a compulsive liar. But the question remains: who benefits from a website that promotes pathological lying and libel?

The Bureau can't ignore such claims any more than they and TSA tolerate loose talk about bombs in airports. This site provides no transparency about its origins and no provision for legal contact.

This was a gross error that will bring this site down.

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[JohnEngelman]

The meaning of a word is a convention, not an absolute fact. Hitler was neither a conservative nor a reactionary. At the same time, he was not a "leftist" by any definition of "leftist" that merits respect.

 

[UltraChad]

And economic nationalism or protectionism is the same. No "liberal" in your sense of the word would ever tolerate tariffs.

Sure they would. Because you' think I'm saying "libertarian" when I say liberal.

You're still wrong about that.

"National liberal" is an even more glaring contradiction in terms than "national socialist."

Not at all, neither are a contradiction in any way.

No, that's how Herrenvolk democracy is done. It's not the same thing.

?? No that's random leftoid democrat bullshit you're trying to inject into the conversation.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

The meaning of a word is a convention, not an absolute fact. Hitler was neither a conservative nor a reactionary. At the same time, he was not a "leftist" by any definition of "leftist" that merits respect.

You are an ignorant bluffer wasting everyone's time here. This word salad means nothing.

Obviously conservatives and fascists are reactionaries. Where all this fits in a primitive left-right schema is interesting but extremely complex. You lack the mental capacity, experience, sophistication, and subtlety for such a task.

Let Chomsky define how words work. He was wrong but on a basis of knowledge. Certainly the word "fuckhead" has a very precise meaning when applied to you.

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[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Sure they would. Because you' think I'm saying "libertarian" when I say liberal.

You're still wrong about that.



Not at all, neither are a contradiction in any way.


?? No that's random leftoid democrat bullshit you're trying to inject into the conversation.

Shut your dumbass mouth, ugly little bitch. Adults are speaking here. Get your chud ass back down the sewer.

You and your kind have destroyed America. I've been to North Korea twice. Go forage for food there.

I do hope you don't have kids.

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[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

No one who really cares about liberty can reasonably limit it to persons of one's own national demos. Nor can he rank national territory as a form of collective property that may not be trespassed upon by non-owners. A person who may not cross a border is not free.

"No more enemies, no more borders."

Anybody who thinks a beautiful woman like this would even look at a 400-lb incel of the type composing the majority on this site is a fool.

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[JohnEngelman]

Happy Saturday!

The Nazis were famous for recruiting ex-coms.

https://www.outono.net/elentir/2020...-german-communists-who-joined-the-nazi-party/

Neocons were/are of a different order. I am one and i knew all of them from Nathan Glazer and Irving Kristol to Norman Podhoretz and Hilton Kramer. I published in their magazines and spoke at their events.

My books benefited from their support.

I was a major writer for THE WEEKLY STANDARD, the neocon organ.

Neocons were former Trotskyists. Bill Kristol, editor of TWS, once quoted Lenin on Fox. When i questioned this, he said that of course he couldn't quote Trotsky.

Because:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2003/06/trotskycons-stephen-schwartz/

This development began in 1939 with this:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/idom/dm/index.htm

When i went to work for Reagan i lied. I told everyone it was about hating the Sovs for betraying the rev. I do hate them, for everything about Russ political culture as defined by the great and true liberal Alexander Herzen, who wrote:

"With us the individual has always been crushed, absorbed, he has never even tried to emerge. Free speech with us has always been considered insolence, independence, subversion; man was engulfed in the State, dissolved in the community. The revolution of Peter the Great replaced the obsolete squirearchy of Russia — with a European bureaucracy; everything that could be copied from the Swedish and German codes, everything that could be taken over from the free municipalities of Holland into our half-communal, half-absolutist country, was taken over; but the unwritten, the moral check on power, the instinctive recognition of the rights of man, of the rights of thought, of truth, could not be and were not imported.

"With us slavery increased with education; the State grew and improved but the individual reaped nothing from it; on the contrary, the stronger the State, the weaker the individual. European forms of administration and justice, of military and civil organization, developed with us into a kind of monstrous and inescapable despotism.

"Were it not that Russia was so vast, that the alien system of power was so chaotically established, so incompetently administered, one might have said without exaggeration that no human being with any sense of his own dignity could live in Russia."

Working for Reagan my success was based on my encyclopedic knowledge of Russian Communist history, and particularly of the crimes of Stalin. I was the neocon prince.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lulu_Schwartz

But my real motivation was to create a better life for me and my family. And i have achieved that.

The Russ, however, do not forgive, and messing with them has serious consequences.

I came on this site with great reservations about the wisdom of doing so. I had left political life in the old sense. I thought the Russ would have forgotten me. I wanted to live a new life as a transwoman supported by my loving family.

They didn't. I was doxxed here. I deal with their surveillance and harassment daily. Only days ago i suffered a serious "accident" that SFPD is investigating.

I live in a city where the old Stalinist labor union network headed by an Australian turd named Harry Bridges funded a new Stalino-"liberal" Dem machine now identified with Leprosi.

Kamala is independent of that machine. I supported Kam with reservations. But the machine puked up Babba Lee, a Russo-Cube agent sitting in Congress:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Lee

If anyone takes the time to actually read this book they will find the whole story laid out:

From West to East: California and the Making of the American Mind https://a.co/d/b2MA5IW

The Stalinists murdered labor dissidents in the streets of San Francisco, and the Bay Area sheltered Stalinist assassins who left a trail of blood across four continents. There was no McCarthyism here and the commie stranglehold on the waterfront induced the business class to protect them.

Trumpy whoring for the Russ didn't start with him. He inherited the legacy of Alger Hiss.

This episode, which launched the radical '60s, was cooked up by the commies when Congress came to town to investigate local connects with the Trotsky assassination.

Look familiar? The same guff is peddled today.

Two salient issues: one, nearly ignored here, is the Stalin-Hitler pact; another is that the rhetoric employed by DJT, Gabbard, et al about peace and American imperialism reproduces the common Nazi-Soviet rhetoric of that era.

Dems vs. GOP means nothing to the Russ. They want Ukraine in the U.S.

The Allies defeated Hitler. Stalin replaced Hitler.

ICYMI I have stipulated to the Federal Bureau of Investigation that i believe the claims by Poo Poo Pee Pee to knowledge of Russ interference with my family are the ravings of a compulsive liar. But the question remains: who benefits from a website that promotes pathological lying and libel?

The Bureau can't ignore such claims any more than they and TSA tolerate loose talk about bombs in airports. This site provides no transparency about its origins and no provision for legal contact.

This was a gross error that will bring this site down.

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Bigtitsbitch1000x,

I have known and liked members of the American Communist Party. They disagreed with me about many of my opinions. Unlike you, they disagreed without being disagreeable. There was never a remote possibility that the CPUSA would establish a Communist dictatorship in the United States. Anti Communism was used by the right to discredit the labor movement, the civil rights movement, and even the Democratic Party.

Let the Communists speak for themselves.

https://www.cpusa.org/

 

[JohnEngelman]

"No more enemies, no more borders."

Anybody who thinks a beautiful woman like this would even look at a 400-lb incel of the type composing the majority on this site is a fool.

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She is pretty.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Bigtitsbitch1000x,

I have known and liked members of the American Communist Party. They disagreed with me about many of my opinions. Unlike you, they disagreed without being disagreeable. There was never a remote possibility that the CPUSA would establish a Communist dictatorship in the United States. Anti Communism was used by the right to discredit the labor movement, the civil rights movement, and even the Democratic Party.

Let the Communists speak for themselves.

https://www.cpusa.org/

You are a liar as usual. American Communists were a small, tight cadre network that almost never revealed their affiliations in public.

The commies were thrown out of the CIO by leaders like Walter Reuther, who was not of the right.

Nobody informed denies that Communists were problematical for the Dems and for the civil rights.

So, gayboy, you into this?

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[Politruk]

Sure they would. Because you' think I'm saying "libertarian" when I say liberal.

The difference being?

 

[UltraChad]

The difference being?

The acknowledgement and support of positive liberty.

 

[Politruk]

The acknowledgement and support of positive liberty.

How is "positive liberty" defined here? Differently than in social liberalism/social democracy, presumably.

 

[Politruk]

No it wasn't. It was definitionally socialist.

It wasn't MARXIST, which is also socialist, but in a different way.



Sure, none of that makes Nazis some how not socialist.

They were socialist, just not Marxist.

Socialism is not just any system where the state controls the economy.

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

UltraChud is a total political illiterate who knows no more about the meanings of "liberal" and "libertarian" than i as a transgender woman can get pregnant.

"Positive liberty" would be defined by me as UltraChud mouthing off in the wrong bar to a Ukrainian.

Keep the chuds where they belong:

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[UltraChad]

How is "positive liberty" defined here? Differently than in social liberalism/social democracy, presumably.

Social liberalism is exactly what I'm talking about.

And isn't to be conflated with social democracy, it's authoritarian and very illiberal cousin.

Socialism is not just any system where the state controls the economy.

By definition it is exactly that. You and the other uneducated Marxist MORONS out there who think otherwise can sit and cry about it.

 

[Politruk]

Social liberalism is exactly what I'm talking about.

And isn't to be conflated with social democracy, it's authoritarian and very illiberal cousin.

What's the difference?

 

[Bigtitsbitch1000x]

Social liberalism is exactly what I'm talking about.

And isn't to be conflated with social democracy, it's authoritarian and very illiberal cousin.



By definition it is exactly that. You and the other uneducated Marxist MORONS out there who think otherwise can sit and cry about it.

The idea of calling the Social Democratic governments of Germany, Scandinavia, etc. "authoritarian and very illiberal," decorated with grammar errors, is so stupid it could only come from an acne-picking incel like you.

You belong in North Korea, where i went twice. Better, you should be placed in the ranks of the NorKors being massacred in Ukraine.

Marxist morons? Like Chomsky? Like me? You're too fucking stupid to ride a tricycle, you babbling fool.

This guff simply proves this disembraining site has no redeeming social value. No milk and cookies for you.

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