Watching one man

[PayDay]

Shocking that you would not feel the need to parrot the ACTUAL "talking points" that were included as an aside for "balance" as given directly from "senior Obama officials." As if the fact that the administration says. "Nuh, UHH!" means anything at all with no supporting argument.

It's not shocking...? WTF? That's how I roll, yo. It's not my fault that most of these people suck at Internet and don't know how to build a comprehensible and comprehensive thread, and/or don't know how to leave their opinions and stupidity out of these things.

"That article snippet doesn't say enough of what I want in the way I want and I'm going to find the best argument for what I want and post it because that guy should have done it better!"

What a stupid fucktard that guy is.-----^

That is like Phrodeau in Rob's unfortunate (and completely undefended) thread about Obama's Energy policy having the effect of lowering oil prices. Phrodeau says since they have a slogan "all of the above" that even if none of their policies had the intent or the effect of encouraging oil production or consumption, they get the credit based on a slogan.

You leave Phro out of this. I didn't see anything of the sort.

No need to squeal, spanky. I simply pointed out that you apparently missed the gist of the article.

No, I didn't. You are stupid and assuming.

Who the fuck are you to tell me how I use my opinion or what I understand or what the author of the article wrote? You didn't even point out facts of how I framed the article differently than the author, you just picked a sentence that said what you wanted and blamed me for not having that sentences opinion.

In point of fact, you posted the same thing I did with different words; apparently, you don't know how to read.

Not surprising in the least, honestly.

What's not? WTF are you talking about? Are you going to label me now when you can't even read?

Pick a fight with someone else because your mind is too small to argue with me.

 

[eyer]

This all started 12 years ago this month, with the war Ish and Miles, among many others, spent any number of posts cheering on.

So please fuck right off.

I trace it back a little bit further...

...when the Sunni PLO iced BFK in '68.

 

[eyer]

It's not shocking...? WTF? That's how I roll, yo. It's not my fault that most of these people suck at Internet and don't know how to build a comprehensible and comprehensive thread, and/or don't know how to leave their opinions and stupidity out of these things.


What a stupid fucktard that guy is.-----^



You leave Phro out of this. I didn't see anything of the sort.



No, I didn't. You are stupid and assuming.

Who the fuck are you to tell me how I use my opinion or what I understand or what the author of the article wrote? You didn't even point out facts of how I framed the article differently than the author, you just picked a sentence that said what you wanted and blamed me for not having that sentences opinion.

In point of fact, you posted the same thing I did with different words; apparently, you don't know how to read.



What's not? WTF are you talking about? Are you going to label me now when you can't even read?

Pick a fight with someone else because your mind is too small to argue with me.

Are you of the King0 and Colonel RINO Butthurt school of ambulance chasers?

 

[Sean]

Dick Cheney hasn't really been in public that much lately.

Turns out the actual driving force in that whole cabal was Wolfowitz.

 

[Pookie]

Turns out the actual driving force in that whole cabal was Wolfowitz.

Without Dick, though, nothing was gonna happen.

 

[zipman]

This all started 12 years ago this month, with the war Ish and Miles, among many others, spent any number of posts cheering on.

So please fuck right off.

Yup. You hit that nail right on the head.

 

[PayDay]

Are you of the King0 and Colonel RINO Butthurt school of ambulance chasers?

No. I'm not a lawyer.

 

[Que]

It's not shocking...? WTF? That's how I roll, yo. It's not my fault that most of these people suck at Internet and don't know how to build a comprehensible and comprehensive thread, and/or don't know how to leave their opinions and stupidity out of these things.

I am not sure if the tongue in cheek sarcasm came through, I am saying that you were dead on.

The Phrodeaux thing was an analogy to simply parroting back the literal "talking points' as released by administration officials as a "rebuttal" to an analsis, when it isn't even an argument, just a denial. If you missed Rob's oil thread, you missed nothing.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

This all started 12 years ago this month, with the war Ish and Miles, among many others, spent any number of posts cheering on.

So please fuck right off.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19bpujmbar5ivgif/ku-medium.gif

 

[PayDay]

I am not sure if the tongue in cheek sarcasm came through, I am saying that you were dead on.

...duh?

The Phrodeaux thing was an analogy to simply parroting back the literal "talking points' as released by administration officials as a "rebuttal" to an analsis, when it isn't even an argument, just a denial. If you missed Rob's oil thread, you missed nothing.

blah blah blah, drama drama drama. Call TMZ, I don't care.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This all started 12 years ago this month, with the war Ish and Miles, among many others, spent any number of posts cheering on.

So please fuck right off.

They all miss the halycon days of the start of Bush's Splendid Little War, when they could and would routinely question the patriotism of anyone who didn't march in lockstep/goosestep with Dubya's warmongering.

 

[RobDownSouth]

No. I'm not a lawyer.

Obviously. You can dish it out but you sure as hell can't take it, little man.

 

[PayDay]

Obviously. You can dish it out but you sure as hell can't take it, little man.

You really are illiterate, aren't you?

I mean, sometimes I'm dalexic and use the wrong word, but good grief man...

 

[islandman]

Never underestimate the incentive of self-preservation. The political class in Japan has been prepping the public for the possibility of their going nuclear. Fukushima has been a set back, but only a set back.

Ishmael

Only in your fantasies, Ish.

Case in point, they "political class" in Japan has gone out of its way to reassure its citizens that its new helicopter destroyer is not able to project power beyond the effective of the V-22 it'll eventually carry. "Out of it's way" is an understatement, so, link me to where said class is even hinting at the SDF going nuclear.

 

[Pookie]

They all miss the halycon days of the start of Bush's Splendid Little War, when they could and would routinely question the patriotism of anyone who didn't march in lockstep/goosestep with Dubya's warmongering.

It's when I adopted my "Liberal Terrorist Chica" title. I think I still have the first AV I used at the time too.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This thread followed the usual devolution of conversation at Lit and continues the death spiral.

Under President Obama, the Mideast has devolved into utter chaos, death and impoverishment, Russia has discovered that as long as it moves slowly, it can take territory with impunity because of the lack of unity in Europe and the lack of direction of the US, and China sees this and declares openly that they are going to chase us out of the area and take territory from all of its neighbors.

The reaction of Democrats and the Left is to blame it all on Republicans past and present because of a) division and b) the pat answer, Bush. This division is the result of winning elections, but the only time the Democrats and the Left believe that elections have consequences and yield mandate is when they win. Furthermore, the administration has been strongly populated with officials who actually voted for Bush to go to war, but because they play for the blue team, they are absolved of all responsibility.

President has two negotiating styles, with the world, he is the bad poker player with all the tells who feels sorry for his wealth and the poverty of the other players and is willing to lose his shirt to prove that he is one of the guys. With the Republicans, he negotiates like Pyongyang and Tehran. If that breaks down, he declares gridlock and then just does whatever the hell he wants to and goes back to playing poker with the people who will let him be the dealer.



That is why the poor quality of the discussion and the name-calling by the Democrats and the Left. Nothing in this story comes out favorable for them. Like Pyongyang and Tehran, there can be no-give and take, just total domination of the discussion no matter how dirty of trick must be employed. The topic must be made so toxic that no one new would ever join in the discussion for fear of becoming the target of such rampant and mindless hostility.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What I find interesting about the Bergdahl story is that it is the quintessential Obama fiasco. If you were compiling a checklist of all the things that drive conservatives crazy — and by conservatives I basically mean people who are (a) paying attention and (b) not enthralled in the Obama cult of personality — the Bergdahl story would achieve a near-perfect score.

The Obama M.O. remains remarkably consistent. He announces some initiative, policy, or presidential action. The public rationale for the move is always rhetorically grounded in some deep, universally shared principle, even if the real agenda is something far more ideological or partisan. The facts driving the decision are never as the White House presents them. Indeed, the more confident the White House appears to be about the facts, the more likely it is they’re playing games with them.

Sometimes the facts are simply made up. There are millions of “shovel ready jobs” right around the corner! “You can keep your doctor!” The Benghazi attack was “about a video!” “One in five women are raped!” “The Islamic State isn’t Islamic!” “These exclamation points are totally necessary!” At other times, the facts are selectively deployed. “Something something tax breaks for corporate jets mumble mumble poor Warren Buffet’s secretary’s tax bill blah blah Spain is winning the future with solar panels” and, course, “core al-Qaeda has been decimated” (in which “core al-Qaeda” is defined as “the bits of al-Qaeda that have been decimated”).

The Obama response to all opposition is to either attack the motives of his critics or to dismiss the objections as mere politics or ideology. When Obama met with congressional leaders back in 2009, Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan made substantive critiques of Obamacare, and Obama responded by waving away their objections as mere “talking points” — as if any facts written on a sheet of paper suddenly become untrue if you can call them “talking points.”

...

When Senate Democrats, led by Bob Menendez (now conveniently under the Department of Justice’s thumb), expressed concerns about Obama’s overtures to Iran, Obama reportedly sympathized, saying he understood their plight, what with the pressure from “donors.” The insinuation, obviously, is that Obama is doing the right thing, while those opposed were motivated by fear of nefarious unnamed “donors” cracking their whips (between servings of lox and bagels, no doubt). Only Obama’s motivations are pure, noble, and fact-driven. Only his opponents are ideologues incapable of “putting politics aside for the good of the American people,” as he likes to say.

...

Using the above criteria, the Bergdahl story is quintessential Obama.

Invoking high-minded principle? Check!

Really motivated by partisan and ideological agenda? Check!

Made-up facts? Check!

Critics denounced as partisan ideologues opposed to high-minded principle? Check!

Group-think-driven White House’s failure to anticipate the political downsides? Check!

Flagrant contempt for Congress and its laws? Check!

Václav Havel? Czech!

Jonah Goldberg​

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/416120/print
__________________
Czech!
WODKA!
Владимир Владимирович Путин
(Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This President's political ideology and considerable lack of any real experience lead to this:

"Ben-Dror Yemini, writing in YNET, which is left of center and Netanyahu’s arch enemy, makes the case, 'Given the upheaval in the Arab world, Obama needs to ask himself why he thinks a Palestinian state is viable right now; meanwhile, Israel’s right needs to understand that its actions are leading to a bi-national state.'”

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ting_the_twostate_approach.html#ixzz3Vm1iVN35

 

[Ishmael]

This thread followed the usual devolution of conversation at Lit and continues the death spiral.

Under President Obama, the Mideast has devolved into utter chaos, death and impoverishment, Russia has discovered that as long as it moves slowly, it can take territory with impunity because of the lack of unity in Europe and the lack of direction of the US, and China sees this and declares openly that they are going to chase us out of the area and take territory from all of its neighbors.

The reaction of Democrats and the Left is to blame it all on Republicans past and present because of a) division and b) the pat answer, Bush. This division is the result of winning elections, but the only time the Democrats and the Left believe that elections have consequences and yield mandate is when they win. Furthermore, the administration has been strongly populated with officials who actually voted for Bush to go to war, but because they play for the blue team, they are absolved of all responsibility.

President has two negotiating styles, with the world, he is the bad poker player with all the tells who feels sorry for his wealth and the poverty of the other players and is willing to lose his shirt to prove that he is one of the guys. With the Republicans, he negotiates like Pyongyang and Tehran. If that breaks down, he declares gridlock and then just does whatever the hell he wants to and goes back to playing poker with the people who will let him be the dealer.



That is why the poor quality of the discussion and the name-calling by the Democrats and the Left. Nothing in this story comes out favorable for them. Like Pyongyang and Tehran, there can be no-give and take, just total domination of the discussion no matter how dirty of trick must be employed. The topic must be made so toxic that no one new would ever join in the discussion for fear of becoming the target of such rampant and mindless hostility.

Any of the threads on similar subjects follow the same path. Generally with the same posters marching along with their arms linked in solidarity. There are a few here that still believe to their core that Martin was stalked for the express purpose of being murdered and that Brown really did have his hands up. On the foreign affairs front they're a little weaker in that they are generally ignorant of what is happening and they don't seem to have the ability to weave local events into a larger tapestry. Yemen is in isolation from Russia which is in isolation from Iran which is in isolation from China, etc. Every one of these events are tightly compartmentalized with the usual suspects following the administrations talking points long after those points have been proven to be demonstrably false.

Allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons is going to lead to their use and the "suitcase from Allah" now becomes a very real and frightening possibility. The only questions to be answered is how far the conflict will spread, what the cost will be, and who will be dragged into the conflict whether they want to be or not?

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Any of the threads on similar subjects follow the same path. Generally with the same posters marching along with their arms linked in solidarity. There are a few here that still believe to their core that Martin was stalked for the express purpose of being murdered and that Brown really did have his hands up. On the foreign affairs front they're a little weaker in that they are generally ignorant of what is happening and they don't seem to have the ability to weave local events into a larger tapestry. Yemen is in isolation from Russia which is in isolation from Iran which is in isolation from China, etc. Every one of these events are tightly compartmentalized with the usual suspects following the administrations talking points long after those points have been proven to be demonstrably false.

Allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons is going to lead to their use and the "suitcase from Allah" now becomes a very real and frightening possibility. The only questions to be answered is how far the conflict will spread, what the cost will be, and who will be dragged into the conflict whether they want to be or not?

Ishmael

I have seen, as have you, this compartmentalism on display for years, but under the thrall of the first black president tingles, the compartmentalization has truly become mentally disabling inasmuch as the former pure hatred of George Bush has become pure idolatry towards President Obama and now being slowly transferred to the first Woman President Hillary Clinton. Every fault, every mistake, every crime can be explained away by blaming the Republicans and painting any disagreement as coming from the radical rw fringe...



... and being directed by FOX NEWS talking points.

Therefore, you do not even have to engage in the field of ideas, history and current events, you just have to employ ideologically driven rhetoric based upon pure hatred and the Alinskyite tactic of personal ridicule.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

PS - In past threads, as it pertains to the Middle East, the strong sentiment has predominated with the Democrats and the Leftists is that "those" people are less than human, hate each other and should be allowed to simply kill each other and draw whatever boundaries they wish to have. Somehow, as with Bush, it always gets round to the penumbric idea that this is all the fault of Israel and the Zionist Jews who eschew the safety of the European diaspora...

 

[RobDownSouth]

This thread followed the usual devolution of conversation at Lit and continues the death spiral.


That is why the poor quality of the discussion and the name-calling by the Democrats and the Left. Nothing in this story comes out favorable for them. Like Pyongyang and Tehran, there can be no-give and take, just total domination of the discussion no matter how dirty of trick must be employed. The topic must be made so toxic that no one new would ever join in the discussion for fear of becoming the target of such rampant and mindless hostility.

Any of the threads on similar subjects follow the same path. Generally with the same posters marching along with their arms linked in solidarity.

Ishmael

Poor Ishmael and AJ are upset again. When,oh when, will people learn to stop disagreeing with them?

 

[Ishmael]

I have seen, as have you, this compartmentalism on display for years, but under the thrall of the first black president tingles, the compartmentalization has truly become mentally disabling inasmuch as the former pure hatred of George Bush has become pure idolatry towards President Obama and now being slowly transferred to the first Woman President Hillary Clinton. Every fault, every mistake, every crime can be explained away by blaming the Republicans and painting any disagreement as coming from the radical rw fringe...



... and being directed by FOX NEWS talking points.

Therefore, you do not even have to engage in the field of ideas, history and current events, you just have to employ ideologically driven rhetoric based upon pure hatred and the Alinskyite tactic of personal ridicule.

I don't consider Hillary as a shoe in for the nomination. The baggage is building up and could cause a shift in support to 'Pocahontas.' They are going to make every effort to nominate a woman though so they can conveniently level charges of 'sexism.'

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't consider Hillary as a shoe in for the nomination. The baggage is building up and could cause a shift in support to 'Pocahontas.' They are going to make every effort to nominate a woman though so they can conveniently level charges of 'sexism.'

Ishmael

The morning troll patrol is here; Throb and Sean, the others cannot be far behind...

U_D is chiming in too now.

That secret intelligence will keep anyone sane out of the race, she may be the most vicious political figure of the decade. The press will get her numbers high compared to any Republican who will get the full court press, not the soft zone.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I don't consider Hillary as a shoe in for the nomination. The baggage is building up and could cause a shift in support to 'Pocahontas.' They are going to make every effort to nominate a woman though so they can conveniently level charges of 'sexism.'

Ishmael

It's "shoo in" moron. I know, a woman for President scares the ever-loving shit out of you doesn't it?

The morning troll patrol is here; Throb and Sean, the others cannot be far behind...

U_D is chiming in too now.

That secret intelligence will keep anyone sane out of the race, she may be the most vicious political figure of the decade. The press will get her numbers high compared to any Republican who will get the full court press, not the soft zone.

I know, it's just SO inconvenient to have your idiocy pointed out Cap'n Victim. Life would be so much easier if you could just ignore everyone who dares disagree with you.

Oh... wait..