We will fight if you mess with my kid!!

[Silverlily]

Re: Re: Yeah, I know I'm going to be called biased

I was not to happen.

But I'm so glad you did happen, dearest.

 

[Sammyjo]

*hugs Cyan*

That's my last statement on this thread...unless someone deems fit to piss me off...

 

[Cyan BloodsBane]

Woo hoo...


I am still sort of lurking... hehehe.... duh.. dam phone... shout up ... I am not answering you... hahaha... oopss it was the wife... now I am a dead man... lalla I am dead lalala

 

[Whispersecret]

Long assed post:

CB: Why is it the people force people to do what they think is right. If the kid does not want to say the pledge who cares. The pledge is boring, I was forced to listen to the Canadian anthumeee thingy for to many fuckin years. I even joined the army. And I not only hate the song but I hate this dum Country.

I think it is over moralistic son of a bitches that think that you have to say the pledge to have true Patriotism!!!!

Bull shit!!!!! Patriotism comes from ones self. Is not dieing for your coutry, screw that, I joined that army to help put me through school and because it was easy. Not because I wanted to die for this cold piece of rock.

Get your mind out of old bielfs and come into reality, the only thing people need to worry about is fixing ones problems in there own back yard and not worry about what other pin heads are doing...

CB, I hope you find something to believe in.

Pyrolisk: I agree whole heartedly with Whispersectret in that children learn by example, & no one can set that exaple like a child's own family, however there is another element to Juliangel's story that has been glossed over.

Her son was clever enough to find a hole in the rules, & was yelled at for doing so. If the teacher had gotten her way, he would then have been punished for following those rules as they were printed. That is what makes this battle worth fighting.

I don’t think he was yelled at. I’m too lazy to go back and look. As far as I’m concerned, its ridiculous that the school even printed rules about that. (Another example of being too P.C.) The unspoken rule should be participation in the pledge, and if someone has a problem with that, each problem can be addressed on an individual basis.

On the otherhand, I would be lying to say that I would not be just a little disapointed knowing that my child was disrespectful to anything. In that particular situation, I would have to find some special occasion outside of school (perhaps church or a baseball game; & I hate baseball) in which to demonstrate to the child how important it is to be respectful. Hopefully, I would have already taught my kid something along these lines... in which case the subject should never come up... but if it did, I would scold my child in private, & curse the teachers name in public.

Yes. I don’t think sitting during the flag is so horribly disrespectful. It’s not like the kid stomped on it or spat upon it. Still, I’d rather choose to teach the lesson about respect than the one about following the rules in a way that you know will just upset people.

You might not want to curse the teacher in front of your child while your child is still in that class. If the kid loves the teacher, he's going to feel torn loyalties. If the child sides with you and begins to disrespect the teacher, you risk wasting that year of school work.

No one has the right to tell another's child what they Must beleive, respect, or do. If I have my way, my kids will make their own choices, hopefully educated ones, but no matter what they choose, I will be there for them; proud of them when they make the right choices, forgiving when they make the wrong ones, & supportive no matter what they choose.

Great attitude, truly. However, as a teacher, I see it as my responsibility to tell other people’s children what to do, how to do it, and anything else I can think of to help them learn academically and start walking down the road of being good decent adults. It’s part of my job to set a good example and demonstrate the best I can how to be a caring, respectful, and yes, patriotic member of society.

So what, then, is patriotism? It’s obviously many things to many people. To me, obviously, part of it is showing respect for the symbols of this country. It’s doing what I can to uphold the principles of freedom upon which the country was founded. It’s conducting myself appropriately when outside of U.S. boundaries, because people from other nations will judge America partly by how I act. It’s also feeling pride when my country acts virtuously, and sad when it does not. I love singing the national anthem; it always gives me a little zing of emotion inside.

If that makes me a moralistic (son of a) bitch, then I’ll be that. Proudly.

 

[Earthmuffin]

I personally believe that gratuitous violence will get you no where fast. That being said: yup ya mess with either of the munchykins and I'll go toe to toe with ya any day of the week. I told the ex- he'd step over my cold dead body before taking them from me. I meant it.

 

[JHolley67]

Re: Yeah, I know I'm going to be called biased

Namecalling lends little credence to your stand.

Speaking of lending credence, don't you find it rather infantile that the guy can't even TYPE "children?"


Jason

 

[Silverlily]

It's called humor, you should look the word up sometime.

 

[CW]

Defend my kids? Yes I will, to whatever extreme I deem necessary to offset the injustice they have been victum to.

BUT!!! In no case will I ever back them for being disrespectful or inpolite. Whether that disrespect manifests it's self as sitting during the US pledge, talking during the national anthem, sassing a teacher, being a bitch or bastard to a friend or just replying with a nope/yea instead of a yes or no when addressing an adult. I try to instill the ma'am and sir part,,, but usually let it slide so long as they are polite. Please and thank you are never ignored however.

Parts of Cyan's posts may have been humor,,, ( and yes I got it the first time around ) but it also comes off as a snooty disrespectful brat child talking as far as this topic goes. I do commend him for his decision NOT to have children of his own though ( regardless of the initial reasoning ),,, that displays some maturity that I thought he was lacking.