well, i've only been and gorn and dunnit

[butters]

Perhaps I was too subtle perhaps I should write about the full horror of growing up as an abused child ...... would that tittilate their taste buds give them something to wank over !!!!!!!!

sorry, annie, i went and looked at your poem and saw you'd got an anon as well.

having read their comment, i see why it's got you steamed up; having said that, i'm not sure that was the intention behind it. often critters will address only the poem, not thinking about its author since they're not to know the place it stems from... i think what they did was offer a 'cold' opinion (one i don't happen to agree with) on a piece that, naturally, you are deeply involved with. they neglected to feel that line about being trampled underfoot in the mud which took those other, more often seen images, and made something far more intense of them.

try and let it go, annie. it will only cause you pain.

 

[butters]

I can think of only one or two poets who never visit the forum(or do so rarely) who have continued to post poems for more than weeks or a couple months(neither of those poets have been active in the last six months.) Why include a poet who happens to pop by for a few months during the collection stage and posts a flurry of poems? Do they represent the best of Literotica? And what's the point of including poets who haven't submitted or visited Lit since 2005, 2002?

The exceptional poets I've seen post new poems over at New Poems pretty much all venture over here for a minute or a year, as they're invited. The New Poems page rarely generates the best work from the poets who visit the Forum. If the idea is to generate traffic to the New Poems page, a collection isn't the best way to do that. A Lit book of new poems(not generated for the New Poems page, but for the collection) seems like the best way to show off Lit poets ie people who visit the website for more than a month and a few submitted poems.

As you've already blamed me for originating this idea, perhaps I should speak I don't know much about the technicalities either, and I welcome anyone who can help with ideas and know-how. I'm more than happy to put my metaphorical shoulder (broad as it may be) to the wheel.

However, I'm not so keen on the latest idea of getting new poems "to order" for a publication. My original suggestion came out of the knowledge that there are exceptional poets here whose work should be celebrated, and a lot of them do not visit the Forum or even know its there. An "original" collection would inevitably exclude them, and moreover would be too much like a Forum competition, which often generates surprises but is rarely the best work of the poets concerned.

If I may, I would like to suggest the following (assuming Laurel and Manu are agreeable, of course)--that we have a banner on the Forum andon the New Poems section of the site inviting the submission of 3 poems each for inclusion in an anthology. A lot of people won't respond, but if for reasons of space or quality some poets have to be excluded then I am happy to have that decided by the mods, if they are ok to do it: if not, then maybe an informal group of Forumees.

What do you think?

ok, gents, here's my take on your posts:

first of all, we'll have to wait and see if Laurel's going to give us the go-ahead on this. hopefully she will, and when she does there may be guidelines attached - one of those might well be to include poets whom Lit has 'published' and maybe even a timeline from which to draw upon - like all of 2010

while i would like to see a celebration of the poets here, having thought about this i think to exclude the poets producing good work and subbing it who might not use our forum will not fully represent the poets of Lit. for me, it's all about quality; that, for me, is the ultimate reason for selection. i happen to think there are those rare few poets producing/subbing whose work would enrich any publication we might produce. what i do not agree with, Friday, is the carte-blanche offer for all to submit 3 pieces for inclusion. why? most of the material being subbed and pubbed here is of a quality i'd never, personally, consider putting through and it will take many hours to sift through the junk only to bin them. you offer them that, and we will be flooded with the dross. imo, it'd be far better (if the non-forumees are to be included) for those who know the good writers there to personally extend the invitation to sub for it. at the end of the long and ever so clichéd day, guys, i'm thinking the kitty mama will have her own set of guidelines to lay down IF this goes ahead.

...and compromise is always inevitable.

we'd have to learn to work together on this, or there will be conflict on the forum which would ultimately serve to harm it when our original intention is the entire opposite. IF we get the green light to go for it, we'd need to play to people's strengths and experience.

 

[butters]

My titles often suck, but I don't stress about it as some folks do. I figure that ee cummings and WB Yeats got to be two of my most favorite poets without ever even using poem titles (cept for first lines) that I know of, so what me worry? <alfred e newman emote>

I'm laboring away at this novel thing. Tzara is right it is really hard! I haven't even written a word of it yet, but I spend lots of time writing about it. I'm reading novels I like and thinking about why I like them (aka what are the devices and qualities that engage me as a reader). Then I think about my plot and characters and write my ideas down. I read some interview with John Irving where he talked about the architecture of a novel, and that's what I'm wrestling with now, trying to envision my characters more clearly and figure out what happens and why. I should probably start a thread about this in the story circle or AH, huh?

Some of us here published in a few volumes of a poetry journal called Barking Dogs, which another Lit poet published on Lulu.com. It's inexpensive but you have to do your own design (or take on the extra expense of hiring someone who does). But it's a pretty good deal there.

hiya, Ang

yeah, titles. they're either right there for me from the get go or nothing ever feels right after the fact. meh...

goodness, that's one shedload of homework! i think you'll probably be the better for having read them, though it all sounds soooo complicated to me - but then i've never tried, nor will, to write a novel BEST of LUCK with that, sugar and rather you than me. you'll be brilliant, i feel in in me waters


yeah, i heard that Lulu is pretty inexpensive as these things go - publish on demand and stuff. again, we'll have to wait and see what Laurel comes back with. if she isn't interested, maybe it's an avenue that might be explored more fully. i dunno

 

[UnderYourSpell]

sorry, annie, i went and looked at your poem and saw you'd got an anon as well.

having read their comment, i see why it's got you steamed up; having said that, i'm not sure that was the intention behind it. often critters will address only the poem, not thinking about its author since they're not to know the place it stems from... i think what they did was offer a 'cold' opinion (one i don't happen to agree with) on a piece that, naturally, you are deeply involved with. they neglected to feel that line about being trampled underfoot in the mud which took those other, more often seen images, and made something far more intense of them.

try and let it go, annie. it will only cause you pain.

It's ok I've vented my spleen now and actually the title came first and I sat and worried before actually using it, wondering if anyone would see past the use of the word rape being used in the context of 'rape of a country' as opposed to the usual context. Don't know why I answered Anon because he/she will probably never see it although future readers will and maybe not judge so harshly

 

[Epmd607]

hiya, Ang

yeah, titles. they're either right there for me from the get go or nothing ever feels right after the fact. meh...

goodness, that's one shedload of homework! i think you'll probably be the better for having read them, though it all sounds soooo complicated to me - but then i've never tried, nor will, to write a novel BEST of LUCK with that, sugar and rather you than me. you'll be brilliant, i feel in in me waters


yeah, i heard that Lulu is pretty inexpensive as these things go - publish on demand and stuff. again, we'll have to wait and see what Laurel comes back with. if she isn't interested, maybe it's an avenue that might be explored more fully. i dunno

Lulu POD is fairly pricey. If someone buys your eighty to hundred page book it'll cost them 10-12 dollars(~6-7 for printing and 4-5 for shipping) and that's you making nothing on it. I heard the authors on the Lit story anthology got paid fifty dollars a story? And that sold, because porn e-books are a guilty pleasure for many. Poetry even as e-commodity I'm not so sure about. Best of luck with any poetry project, I'll read it.

 

[butters]

Lulu POD is fairly pricey. If someone buys your eighty to hundred page book it'll cost them 10-12 dollars(~6-7 for printing and 4-5 for shipping) and that's you making nothing on it. I heard the authors on the Lit story anthology got paid fifty dollars a story? And that sold, because porn e-books are a guilty pleasure for many. Poetry even as e-commodity I'm not so sure about. Best of luck with any poetry project, I'll read it.

ah, right. thanks

and what if it were to be an e-publication? even a freebie on a page here with buttons for PayPal donations or something for a charity? you have some skillz, yes? though i realise you are probably very busy and this is all just nebulous thinking as it stands right now...

 

[fridayam]

ok, gents, here's my take on your posts:

first of all, we'll have to wait and see if Laurel's going to give us the go-ahead on this. hopefully she will, and when she does there may be guidelines attached - one of those might well be to include poets whom Lit has 'published' and maybe even a timeline from which to draw upon - like all of 2010

while i would like to see a celebration of the poets here, having thought about this i think to exclude the poets producing good work and subbing it who might not use our forum will not fully represent the poets of Lit. for me, it's all about quality; that, for me, is the ultimate reason for selection. i happen to think there are those rare few poets producing/subbing whose work would enrich any publication we might produce. what i do not agree with, Friday, is the carte-blanche offer for all to submit 3 pieces for inclusion. why? most of the material being subbed and pubbed here is of a quality i'd never, personally, consider putting through and it will take many hours to sift through the junk only to bin them. you offer them that, and we will be flooded with the dross. imo, it'd be far better (if the non-forumees are to be included) for those who know the good writers there to personally extend the invitation to sub for it. at the end of the long and ever so clichéd day, guys, i'm thinking the kitty mama will have her own set of guidelines to lay down IF this goes ahead.

...and compromise is always inevitable.

we'd have to learn to work together on this, or there will be conflict on the forum which would ultimately serve to harm it when our original intention is the entire opposite. IF we get the green light to go for it, we'd need to play to people's strengths and experience.

I bow to your editorship--because that is what it will become I was only putting up a little flag for democracy. I do agree with you that there are poets on the site very worthy of inclusion who never come on the forum--I would mention only sandyb, not the only example. And I would point out to bflagsst that I too rarely post on the Forum, preferring the cold winds of the Site. x

 

[Epmd607]

ah, right. thanks

and what if it were to be an e-publication? even a freebie on a page here with buttons for PayPal donations or something for a charity? you have some skillz, yes? though i realise you are probably very busy and this is all just nebulous thinking as it stands right now...

Okay, I've read more of this thread. Hosting an e-publication here for download could work, but some people are too lazy or scared to download a PDF from the Internet. Text pages don't take up much space, maybe Literotica would host all the pages for the book. Donate button from either of the main money services would work, people do donate to the sites they frequent. Though, I doubt you can get charity status without being an official charity, regarding getting free money transfers.

 

[butters]

Okay, I've read more of this thread. Hosting an e-publication here for download could work, but some people are too lazy or scared to download a PDF from the Internet. Text pages don't take up much space, maybe Literotica would host all the pages for the book. Donate button from either of the main money services would work, people do donate to the sites they frequent. Though, I doubt you can get charity status without being an official charity, regarding getting free money transfers.

do we have to get charity status? is there no way, then, that the donate button might be linked so donations go directly to the charity itself?

 

[Epmd607]

do we have to get charity status? is there no way, then, that the donate button might be linked so donations go directly to the charity itself?

I don't know, I'll look it up a little later today and get back to you.

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

thanks for the comment, Espie

I like your stuff! Now when are we gonna see your poppy poem?

 

[butters]

I don't know, I'll look it up a little later today and get back to you.

 

[butters]

I like your stuff! Now when are we gonna see your poppy poem?

meh, that poem's old news now though ... perhaps

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

meh, that poem's old news now though ... perhaps

On knees,
hands clasped in shaking anticipation.

 

[butters]

On knees,
hands clasped in shaking anticipation.

get outta here, espie, you're making me go red

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

get outta here, espie, you're making me go red

Now I'm gonna bug you until you post it.

 

[butters]

there's another up today - sirens. not new but an improved revision

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

there's another up today - sirens. not new but an improved revision

lemme looksie

 

[butters]

thanks, hon. gotta go. duty n all that jazz

 

[Esperanza_Hidalgo]

thanks, hon. gotta go. duty n all that jazz

last line was kewl!

 

[butters]

last line was kewl!

 

[UnderYourSpell]

do we have to get charity status? is there no way, then, that the donate button might be linked so donations go directly to the charity itself?

I'll have to pick Ron's brains as he is Charity Steward for his Lodge

 

[butters]

I'll have to pick Ron's brains as he is Charity Steward for his Lodge

neato!

the more information we are armed with, the better informed any decisions made will be. if any.

 

[butters]

I'll have to get back onto Laurel, to see if she's given the subject any consideration yet.

apart from that, i've 3 little teeny poems added that so far have a lot of views, and only one vote/comment between them. now everbody say 'awww....'

and apart from that, the job screening today was awful! i am so NOT cut out for telesales

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I posted one last week that didn't get one comment at all sigh