What Kind of Things Would You like to See in a Novel about a Shy Embarrassed Naked Man?

[CuttingEdge]

@CuttingEdgeI see it as sort of similar to the right-wing panic over drag Queens.and transgender people. Although there are no instances supporting the notion that transgender people or drag Queens are harmful to children or adults or otherwise, there is still this moral panic over it simply because it's going against the norm for most people.

Like anything, people are going to push the boundaries until they find the line on what is acceptable and what is not, and you see that now with transgenderism.

The push back you are seeing now is that the line had been crossed.

A case in point is the shop teacher in Canada dressing up in drag and going to school. That is not acceptable. That is a sexual thing and it has no place in school. The man is not paid to make a statement on gender roles, but to teach kids about woodworking skills, something that is really needed as the trades become more vacated. Again, do whatever floats your boat, but do not sink mine, and that is just what he did when he took students focus off learning the woodworking craft, and upon his thoughts on sexuality as it relates to gender. He was fired and should have been fired. He has every right to dress in drag and go where he wants, but not if it stops children from learning. He was not fired because he was transgender, he was fired because he made a very poor choice as a teacher on what he wore to school. It was no different than if I wore a speedo to class flaunting my male appendage size.

It is the same with the current Bud Light boycott. Instead of just letting social issues play out, they had to push it on their customers, and it is a blatant example of a large company being so out of touch with their customer base that they made a poor decision and now are paying the price for that. Call them redneck drunks if you will, whatever… but they have a customer base that is what it is, and Bud Light lost touch with that. The lesson to be learned here is not anti-transgenderism, but just let social norms become social norms on their own, without companies and political parties pushing agenda’s on the populace.

 

[CuttingEdge]

@CuttingEdgeBut you are right people do tend to have a tendency to make snap judgments, and I think that that's where a lot of our darker impulses come from as human beings, who prematurely panic and vilify people that do anything differently from the majority even in cases where it is harmless.

But that is NOT how society works.

As a collective body, whether it be by town, county, state, or country wise, we decide on what the standards are for society, and make laws and hold people accountable. But while those standards are malleable, and can change over time, it has to be at a rate that society can tolerate.

A great example of this is building codes. Where I live, we do not have any, which for someone coming from New York City is going to be mind blowing, but here we just feel, if you build something, it is up to you to build something you feel safe living in. Who are we to tell you how to build a house? Its your house, build it any darn way you want. But that does not mean you can just dump your septic waste across the back acre and into the river. Then how you live would affect other people, so we have checks and balances for that. Yes, no building codes here, but we do have environmental laws!

It is no different with public nudity. People in San Francisco have decided that public nudity is going to be tolerated more than the more conservative people where I live. And that is okay. If someone wants to constantly be nude in public, then by all means go to where it is tolerated better, but it should not be considered judgmental because where they came from it was frowned upon. That is the standard this area has set with its more conservative laws. But that is not what is said. Instead of focusing on what they can do… like be naked in private all they want, or go to certain places where it is allowed in public; instead they want others around them to change their standards so they can do what they want to do.

In that it is kind of like the building example, if you get into a huge dispute with your Homeowner’s Association over the color of your roof shingles, well come here because this place is a living nightmare for people who want control over what color every house in the neighborhood is painted. Even if you move next door and are always naked; good for you, do as you want; you pay property taxes and its your place, do whatever makes you happy, but don’t say I am judgmental when I put up a privacy fence for my backyard so the kids can play without them having to see you nude. That is something I can do, and within my right to enjoy my property as I deem fit.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CuttingEdge
I agree that man was behaving in a creepy manner but I think this is different from the issue we were originally discussing where now we are discussing behavior rather than a condition such as nudity. That man's behavior probably would have been creepy no matter what he was wearing, but at the same time a person like that I probably would have just avoided and probably not confront them. There are plenty of people that we probably meet every day that are really creepy and it's best just to avoid them as much is possible.

It reminds me of the time my mom went to get her cell phone fixed and there was this guy she thought was like a serial killer or something like that. He wasn't doing anything illegal but she felt very uncomfortable being around him.

But again I feel that someone simply being naked and minding their own business would not be a crime I would not in and of itself be inherently creepy. In one case it's just simply the way someone chooses to dress or not and in another case it's an actual behavior such as leering at your daughter.

Also in a lot of these cases I think it's also open into interpretation. I've occasionally felt that people have stared at me or felt uncomfortable being stared at but I think that a lot of it can be one's own interpretation of perhaps reading something into behavior, as I'm a person with a great deal of social anxiety so I think that I often read a lot into people's behavior that might not really be going on.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CuttingEdge

Like anything, people are going to push the boundaries until they find the line on what is acceptable and what is not, and you see that now with transgenderism.

The push back you are seeing now is that the line had been crossed.

A case in point is the shop teacher in Canada dressing up in drag and going to school. That is not acceptable. That is a sexual thing and it has no place in school. The man is not paid to make a statement on gender roles, but to teach kids about woodworking skills, something that is really needed as the trades become more vacated. Again, do whatever floats your boat, but do not sink mine, and that is just what he did when he took students focus off learning the woodworking craft, and upon his thoughts on sexuality as it relates to gender. He was fired and should have been fired. He has every right to dress in drag and go where he wants, but not if it stops children from learning. He was not fired because he was transgender, he was fired because he made a very poor choice as a teacher on what he wore to school. It was no different than if I wore a speedo to class flaunting my male appendage size.

I have to say I disagree completely. Drag is not sexual that's the main point, why should it be considered sexual for a man to wear a dress when it is not considered for a woman to wear a dress? And if a person identifies as a woman it is not actually drag, drag is men who like to dress as women, transgender people are simply dressing as the gender that they identify as. There is nothing sexual about a man wearing a dress or a biological man identifying as female wearing a dress. They are simply dressing the way they identify and it's blatant discrimination to fire somebody for dressing as they identify. They aren't trying to teach children about sexuality or force their identity on anyone, they are simply trying to live their lives.

Drag is not harmful to children, drag Queens and people dressing as the opposite sex or not indoctrinating or grooming children and is no evidence that it's warping their minds or the drag Queens are going around molesting children. It simply a moral panic based on reactionary fears about people who are uncomfortable with anyone who transgresses traditional gender roles.

It is the same with the current Bud Light boycott. Instead of just letting social issues play out, they had to push it on their customers, and it is a blatant example of a large company being so out of touch with their customer base that they made a poor decision and now are paying the price for that. Call them redneck drunks if you will, whatever… but they have a customer base that is what it is, and Bud Light lost touch with that. The lesson to be learned here is not anti-transgenderism, but just let social norms become social norms on their own, without companies and political parties pushing agenda’s on the populace.

It is not policing a political agenda, it's just that transgender people are the current marginalized group and it's okay to be prejudice against them. If they had a black man advertising the beer and you said that they were uncomfortable with a black man being used to advertise the beer you would call those people racists quite rightly. But because transgender people are the current acceptable prejudice automatically it's assumed that you're pushing agenda just simply by treating a transgender person as human.

And I strongly believe that you should not let social norms be social norms because many social norms are harmful. The current prejudice you are seeing towards LGBT people in trans people in particular is the same prejudice you saw towards people of color in the 1950s, it's all basically the same.

All they did was have a transgender person being the spokesperson for their beer or whatever, that's not forcing anything on anyone else, if they can buy a beer because it's being advertised by a transgender person the problem is with them being deeply insecure man. And yes I will call them dumb rednecks and I have and I have already written a story along these lines where a person stopped drinking that particular beer because they become convinced as a paranoid insecure man that if they drink that beer it will change their gender identity and cause them to grow breasts.

I'm a person who firmly believes that you should challenge social norms because most of them are just used to justify prejudice towards marginalized groups. I am probably coming at this at a different perspective than you because although I am completely closeted about it I am myself transgender. Transgender people are not harming anybody, toxic masculinity on the other hand is destroying society pretty much.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CuttingEdge

But that is NOT how society works.

As a collective body, whether it be by town, county, state, or country wise, we decide on what the standards are for society, and make laws and hold people accountable. But while those standards are malleable, and can change over time, it has to be at a rate that society can tolerate.

This reminds me again of the civil rights struggle where Martin Luther King said something to the effect that black people were told that they were going too fast the the civil rights movement was too extreme for society and that they would have to go more slow and gradually. It's always always a case of the person in the position of privilege telling the marginalized or the oppressed people keep waiting and keep waiting and keep waiting in hopes that they will keep waiting until they are dead. The people in positions of privilege never willingly relinquish to those that they want to keep suppressed, so I firmly believe that you should challenge societal standards that are wrong or harmful and at that make other people uncomfortable good it probably should.

A great example of this is building codes. Where I live, we do not have any, which for someone coming from New York City is going to be mind blowing, but here we just feel, if you build something, it is up to you to build something you feel safe living in. Who are we to tell you how to build a house? Its your house, build it any darn way you want. But that does not mean you can just dump your septic waste across the back acre and into the river. Then how you live would affect other people, so we have checks and balances for that. Yes, no building codes here, but we do have environmental laws!

Again I think this is a different example altogether. Yes I agree that we should have building codes and environmental laws but that's because those are things that could harm other people. A person walking around naked in public is not necessarily harming anybody simply by being naked. However a person putting poison in the air and the water or building buildings that are unsafe are harming people. In one case something is harming people and in the other case it simply making certain more reactionary elements of society uncomfortable. Once you can start making laws against people simply because certain things make you uncomfortable it's a quick road to start banning and suppressing everything.

It is no different with public nudity. People in San Francisco have decided that public nudity is going to be tolerated more than the more conservative people where I live. And that is okay. If someone wants to constantly be nude in public, then by all means go to where it is tolerated better, but it should not be considered judgmental because where they came from it was frowned upon. That is the standard this area has set with its more conservative laws. But that is not what is said. Instead of focusing on what they can do… like be naked in private all they want, or go to certain places where it is allowed in public; instead they want others around them to change their standards so they can do what they want to do.

I am of the personal belief that simply because somebody is offended by something doesn't mean that it should be criminalized. I strongly believe that if nobody's behavior is actively harming anybody and they are just minding their business and living their lives as they see fit that they should not be persecuted or restricted for that.

Getting back to the original topic as I think we have now diverged a lot, in a situation where certain people were unable to wear clothing because of some kind of condition you would simply be persecuting them simply for what they are which would make it even more outrageously and unfair.

I think the problem that comes with is that modern conservatives seem to think that if they can't impose their standards on everybody or get uncomfortable by anyone different than them they feel that they are being persecuted. That is why we are now seeing book banning, persecution of the LGBT community, and all sorts of other restrictions on human freedom, often done in the name of religion.

In that it is kind of like the building example, if you get into a huge dispute with your Homeowner’s Association over the color of your roof shingles, well come here because this place is a living nightmare for people who want control over what color every house in the neighborhood is painted. Even if you move next door and are always naked; good for you, do as you want; you pay property taxes and its your place, do whatever makes you happy, but don’t say I am judgmental when I put up a privacy fence for my backyard so the kids can play without them having to see you nude. That is something I can do, and within my right to enjoy my property as I deem fit.

Yes what you do on your own personal property is fine and if you want to put up a privacy fence to not have to see your neighbors that is within your rights. However when you get down to it the still seems like sort of an unnamed really thing to do. It almost makes me think about how lots of people didn't want black people moving into the neighborhood, or how somebody would get uncomfortable in an overly Christian down if say someone put up a menorah. Again you're free to not want to look at it and you're free to do whatever you want on your own property but when you go to active lengths to avoid certain things like that your neighbors are perfectly within their rights to consider you to be prejudice for it.

Now I think we have sort of diverged a lot from the main topic so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this as these conversations tend to go around in circles. Let any future posts be on the topic of the speculation about a world where 1% of men are rendered naked.

 

[Nudeslave83]

I do think that the one of the interesting things in the fun things about this potential story is that my character based on me, who has no problem with breaking most social norms and being weird in every way, now has to break the social norm that they never willingly would out of necessity and just watching them deal with the irony of that!

 

[CurtGiles46]

I would still enjoy a story where nudity served as a court punishment. It might be a good way to clean out the court system of excess cases so that things could go faster

Basically, crimes lesser than murder wouldn’t receive prison sentences. The guilty individual would be sentenced to 5 years of public nudity.

The new sentencing laws would be understood even at the corporate level, each company hiring a certain number of workers for nude jobs.

Families would begin to pride themselves on not having any nude family members. Some families feeling total shame knowing that most of their sons and even daughters existed nude in public spaces.

A clothed man might meet his future wife on the subway one morning. But decades later, none of their children will ever be told that when mom met dad she was nude in public.

Obviously verbal and physical abuse of nude individuals in public won’t be a top priority for police. Nude men will have to cope with clothed people frequently commenting on the nude men’s penis sizes.

Nude women will even be taunted by clothed women, telling them, “Just bend over honey, show us your asshole.” The aggressive remark leading to laughter all around.

Interestingly, a small percentage of the nude men and women will feel so shocked by this prolonged public humiliation that they will develop a lifelong fetish for being nude in public.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CurtGiles46
Well then you are in luck, because I actually just published a novel like that just a few days ago called The Year of Naked Penance, in which a man is sentenced to a year of forced nudity, ironically enough for harassing a naked woman during her particular sentence. Towards the end there is a rebellion by people who have chosen nudity as a lifestyle not wanting their lifestyle to be tainted by the association with criminality but it doesn't result in the laws being reversed.

I think that that scenario is perhaps a little bit more brutal and a little bit less brutal than the 1% of men simply being allergic to clothing. On the one hand when you are naked in public people are going to naturally assume you are a criminal and probably shun you and treat you as such if that was a punishment for particular crimes.

On the other hand the 1% of men being naked basically are screwed for life. I like the idea that they are basically innocent victims of this terrible plague that forces them into a humiliating existence and that there is no way of escaping from it, you can't legislate it away all you can do is hope that someday they find a cure.

I feel in the case of people being forced to go naked because of a virus or a disease there would probably be somewhat more sympathy than if they were sentenced to that for a period of time as a way of shaming them because there wouldn't be that automatic association with criminality.

When you get into all of these different scenarios involving nudity it really does have a very rich variety and diversity of ways you can explore these socially awkward situations.

But yes that is one of the things that comes up in a lot of my naked stories is that as humiliating as the situation is it is titillating precisely because it is humiliating. That's what I think about the conflict for me personally in a situation like that and where I put my characters into my mindset mostly. As a person who is incredibly socially awkward socially anxious and very shy having to be naked in public for the rest of my life would certainly be an intense experience and even more embarrassing simply for the fact that it would also be titillating as well on top of that!

 

[Nudeslave83]

I also see the focus being different in both of the novels. In the naked penance one my character was sort of a jerk who is a little bit homophobic and kind of a pervert who ends up finding himself having to confront those attitudes and evolve and change over the course of the novel.

The one with the nudity virus that I have yet to write I wanted the character to be more sympathetic as you basically have just sort of an average character who is not a jerk who suddenly has to deal with the fact that people are going to treat them very differently and I think it's more relatable because I think that the average person is a little bit uncomfortable being naked around the opposite sex, having to be naked around the opposite sex in public all the time when they are dressed is another thing altogether, especially for someone like me who is basically completely inexperienced and is then suddenly thrust into this experience that is so far out of their comfort zone and just having to be stuck dealing with it.

I feel that in the clothing allergy won the character again based off of me, their main challenges the fact that they would probably at worst find this to be entertaining if it were happening to somebody other than themselves and having to confront the real practical reality of having to be naked when everybody else is finding the whole situation amusing. It sort of a frustrating situation to find yourself in where this would be hilarious if it were happening to someone else but now you're the butt of the jokes all the time and are never on the giving end. That would be rather difficult to take!

 

[Nudeslave83]

I also think that the added frustration of the humor of the situation is that it wouldn't be lost on me. While it would be excruciating to be embarrassed and to always be the butt of everyone's jokes it's also hard to get mad at the person because again you could totally understand their perspectives. I mean yes a bunch of women suddenly have a male friend who has to go naked in public all the time, I mean I get from their perspective it's fucking hilarious, but when you are the constant focus of the attention and all of the joking, wow!

 

[CurtGiles46]

@CurtGiles46
Well then you are in luck, because I actually just published a novel like that just a few days ago called The Year of Naked Penance, in which a man is sentenced to a year of forced nudity, ironically enough for harassing a naked woman during her particular sentence. Towards the end there is a rebellion by people who have chosen nudity as a lifestyle not wanting their lifestyle to be tainted by the association with criminality but it doesn't result in the laws being reversed.

I think that that scenario is perhaps a little bit more brutal and a little bit less brutal than the 1% of men simply being allergic to clothing. On the one hand when you are naked in public people are going to naturally assume you are a criminal and probably shun you and treat you as such if that was a punishment for particular crimes.

On the other hand the 1% of men being naked basically are screwed for life. I like the idea that they are basically innocent victims of this terrible plague that forces them into a humiliating existence and that there is no way of escaping from it, you can't legislate it away all you can do is hope that someday they find a cure.

I feel in the case of people being forced to go naked because of a virus or a disease there would probably be somewhat more sympathy than if they were sentenced to that for a period of time as a way of shaming them because there wouldn't be that automatic association with criminality.

When you get into all of these different scenarios involving nudity it really does have a very rich variety and diversity of ways you can explore these socially awkward situations.

But yes that is one of the things that comes up in a lot of my naked stories is that as humiliating as the situation is it is titillating precisely because it is humiliating. That's what I think about the conflict for me personally in a situation like that and where I put my characters into my mindset mostly. As a person who is incredibly socially awkward socially anxious and very shy having to be naked in public for the rest of my life would certainly be an intense experience and even more embarrassing simply for the fact that it would also be titillating as well on top of that!

Sounds great. I will enjoy reading it.

 

[CuttingEdge]

I would still enjoy a story where nudity served as a court punishment. It might be a good way to clean out the court system of excess cases so that things could go faster . Basically, crimes lesser than murder wouldn’t receive prison sentences. The guilty individual would be sentenced to 5 years of public nudity.

This would work really well with historical stories, but admit, it works so well that it is often overused.

Stripped naked before standing in front of the King or magistrate
Made to walk naked through the village
Publicly whipped naked

I could imagine a more modern story where a woman is approached by the sheriff and his deputies. The shock on her face as he informs her, the supreme court has just ruled that such punishment is not considered 'cruel and unusual' because it was historically done in the past. (NYSRP vs Bruen 2023). She is completely overwhelmed as they start removing her clothing from her house, and is told to strip, as she quickly realizes she is to be naked for the next five years due to her stealing things from others.

Along the way she could either meet another man who is punished to nudity as well, or find a man that is sympathetic to her nudity punishment. Along the way however, she switches from being incensed by such a punishment, to realizing it builds character.

 

[CurtGiles46]

This would work really well with historical stories, but admit, it works so well that it is often overused.

Stripped naked before standing in front of the King or magistrate
Made to walk naked through the village
Publicly whipped naked

I could imagine a more modern story where a woman is approached by the sheriff and his deputies. The shock on her face as he informs her, the supreme court has just ruled that such punishment is not considered 'cruel and unusual' because it was historically done in the past. (NYSRP vs Bruen 2023). She is completely overwhelmed as they start removing her clothing from her house, and is told to strip, as she quickly realizes she is to be naked for the next five years due to her stealing things from others.

Along the way she could either meet another man who is punished to nudity as well, or find a man that is sympathetic to her nudity punishment. Along the way however, she switches from being incensed by such a punishment, to realizing it builds character.

Yes. I love your ideas. The historical aspect is certainly an influence on me. I like your depiction of how it would play out. And your idea that the punished person could reach an enlightened view about being nude and it builds their character, is the kind of depth I’d love to see.

 

[CuttingEdge]

Yes. I love your ideas. The historical aspect is certainly an influence on me. I like your depiction of how it would play out. And your idea that the punished person could reach an enlightened view about being nude and it builds their character, is the kind of depth I’d love to see.

In an instant, Heather Steadman’s heart sank, as the first police cruised zoomed in close to the curb, then with a squealing that was brake shoes applied to tightly to brake discs, came to a quick stop. Behind them was another, but a pickup truck. Neither had their lights and sirens on, but there was no mistake, they were making haste and stopping at her house, and her house was clearly their intended stop.

“Heather Steadman”, the officer asked getting out and circling to the back of his cruiser, a little overweight, and filling a police officers uniform that looked as if the buttons were struggling to keep the body within contained? In his hands was a sheet of papers, not folded, but gently rolled lengthwise so it fit into his hand. Behind him, the pick-up truck also stopped, with two more strapping police officers jumping out, and making a beeline for her front door.

“That’s me”.

“Your court case has been decided”.

“By the Supreme Court?”

“Yes, just an hour ago, in a six-to-three ruling, your pending litigation regarding the State of New Hampshire versus Steadman; was decided upon”.

“And”…

“We were sent here to confiscate your clothing”.

“Oh, no, no no”, she said growing incensed, but checked only by the shock of it all. “How can that be?”

“You will have to talk to your attorney, but it was decided that the original judge’s ruling, that you be remanded of your clothing did not violate your rights as ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ since that was a former punishment given to citizens in the days of olde”.

“All I did was burn the clothes of that bitch that was sleeping with my Husband?”

“It does not matter of what you did, it only matters what you are convicted of, and that the sentencing be carried out”.

“I’ll appeal”.

“There is nothing to appeal”, the police officer said, even as the two police officers came marching out of the house, her clothing presumably in the black garbage bags they had thrown them into, and was actively removing her clothing from her bureau and closet. “It’s a US Supreme Court decision”, he said as he let the magnitude of what he said register.

“My clothing, though”, Heather said in shock, watching the two men nonchalantly toss the two bags of clothing in the back of the truck, and then start for the house for more. She also flushed a crimson red, knowing her two battery powered, silicone lovers were in the back of her bureau drawers, embarring in both length and girth for the typical suburbanite that she portrayed to the world. “But my clothes will blow out of the truck on the way to the police station”.

“Like anything seized, they will be held until the conclusion of your sentence, which in five years you can come down to the impound lot, and pick up your clothing”, the man said, completely ignoring her well-funded argument that, many would not get there in the frivolous way they were being transported in the back of an open pick-up truck.

“What for, they will be out of style by then anyway?”

“Be that as it may”, the man said quietly, they tried to hide a smile as he continued. “But you realize, this seizure includes the clothes you are wearing”?

“Oh no. Oh, no, no, no. You are not getting them?”

“It clearly states right here”, the police officer started to say, but Heather had already started turning back to her house. This the police officer had anticipated though, and was quick to catch up with her as he grabbed her arm and spun it around her back, prying up on it painfully that stopped her. “Do you want to do this the easy way, on your own, or you stripped by me and my officers right here on your front lawn? Either way, you are sentenced to nudity for the next five years”.

“Completely nude… for five years”, she started to sob?

“You gotta love New Hampshire; Live Free of Die”, he mocked as he released her arm, and Heather began to lift her shirt over her head.

 

[CurtGiles46]

In an instant, Heather Steadman’s heart sank, as the first police cruised zoomed in close to the curb, then with a squealing that was brake shoes applied to tightly to brake discs, came to a quick stop. Behind them was another, but a pickup truck. Neither had their lights and sirens on, but there was no mistake, they were making haste and stopping at her house, and her house was clearly their intended stop.

“Heather Steadman”, the officer asked getting out and circling to the back of his cruiser, a little overweight, and filling a police officers uniform that looked as if the buttons were struggling to keep the body within contained? In his hands was a sheet of papers, not folded, but gently rolled lengthwise so it fit into his hand. Behind him, the pick-up truck also stopped, with two more strapping police officers jumping out, and making a beeline for her front door.

“That’s me”.

“Your court case has been decided”.

“By the Supreme Court?”

“Yes, just an hour ago, in a six-to-three ruling, your pending litigation regarding the State of New Hampshire versus Steadman; was decided upon”.

“And”…

“We were sent here to confiscate your clothing”.

“Oh, no, no no”, she said growing incensed, but checked only by the shock of it all. “How can that be?”

“You will have to talk to your attorney, but it was decided that the original judge’s ruling, that you be remanded of your clothing did not violate your rights as ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ since that was a former punishment given to citizens in the days of olde”.

“All I did was burn the clothes of that bitch that was sleeping with my Husband?”

“It does not matter of what you did, it only matters what you are convicted of, and that the sentencing be carried out”.

“I’ll appeal”.

“There is nothing to appeal”, the police officer said, even as the two police officers came marching out of the house, her clothing presumably in the black garbage bags they had thrown them into, and was actively removing her clothing from her bureau and closet. “It’s a US Supreme Court decision”, he said as he let the magnitude of what he said register.

“My clothing, though”, Heather said in shock, watching the two men nonchalantly toss the two bags of clothing in the back of the truck, and then start for the house for more. She also flushed a crimson red, knowing her two battery powered, silicone lovers were in the back of her bureau drawers, embarring in both length and girth for the typical suburbanite that she portrayed to the world. “But my clothes will blow out of the truck on the way to the police station”.

“Like anything seized, they will be held until the conclusion of your sentence, which in five years you can come down to the impound lot, and pick up your clothing”, the man said, completely ignoring her well-funded argument that, many would not get there in the frivolous way they were being transported in the back of an open pick-up truck.

“What for, they will be out of style by then anyway?”

“Be that as it may”, the man said quietly, they tried to hide a smile as he continued. “But you realize, this seizure includes the clothes you are wearing”?

“Oh no. Oh, no, no, no. You are not getting them?”

“It clearly states right here”, the police officer started to say, but Heather had already started turning back to her house. This the police officer had anticipated though, and was quick to catch up with her as he grabbed her arm and spun it around her back, prying up on it painfully that stopped her. “Do you want to do this the easy way, on your own, or you stripped by me and my officers right here on your front lawn? Either way, you are sentenced to nudity for the next five years”.

“Completely nude… for five years”, she started to sob?

“You gotta love New Hampshire; Live Free of Die”, he mocked as he released her arm, and Heather began to lift her shirt over her head.

This is great. You are capturing the real essence of it, it’s cold legal procedure up against the very human feelings of embarrassment.

The threat of the police officers to strip her in her front lawn is fantastic. It’s obviously very startling to her that there’s no escape from this punishment.

 

[CuttingEdge]

This is great. You are capturing the real essence of it, it’s cold legal procedure up against the very human feelings of embarrassment.

The threat of the police officers to strip her in her front lawn is fantastic. It’s obviously very startling to her that there’s no escape from this punishment.

You obviously could keep going, some details about actually being out of her clothing, like feeling the grass on her bare feet, or feeling the breeze against her uncovered sex. In that literary space, a great writer could introduce some foreshadowing of what it will be like to be nude 24/7/365 for 1826 days, and through CAREFUL foreshadowing, allude to the fact that there might be tangible benefits from being forced to be nude.

But then, just as she gets nude, the news media arrives to interview her about her lost case, and what its like to be naked. Talk about baptism by fire, now she is on the national news... naked!

Maybe an anti-naked advocate rushes into the story at this point, puts a towel over the lady, but gets arrested himself, or worse, gets her rearrested for not abiding with the sentence she received. She now has a staunch advocate, but its too late. She lost her case and now for many in the nation, about to lose their clothing. It's too late for an advocate... but yet, late because she kind of doesn't want one as she starts to learn compulsory nudity is not that bad.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CurtGiles46

Sounds great. I will enjoy reading it.

Let me know what you think is I love receiving feedback, preferably positive feedback but also criticism as long as it's constructive.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CuttingEdge

This would work really well with historical stories, but admit, it works so well that it is often overused.

Stripped naked before standing in front of the King or magistrate
Made to walk naked through the village
Publicly whipped naked

I actually mentioned that in my author notes for Naked Penance where I explained what inspired the story that I did sort of get inspired by the fact that it has some type of historical precedent. However those examples you listed were very brief and short-term things. Yes being forced to have a naked walk of shame or being put in the stocks or being stripped naked in front of some type of king or potentate is certainly embarrassing but it's not the same as having a year of continual nudity. A situation where the person is literally forced to go everywhere naked. Those things while extremely embarrassing and very public were very briefly lived is not the same as being forced to living entirely different lifestyle without clothes against your choosing.

Most of my stories that are speculative that involve nudity take place in the future rather than in the past but I did write one short story about a Roman girl who gets her first male slave and she loves humiliating him naked and forbid him from wearing clothing. I honestly have never heard in a big an account like that but you have to figure that seeing as slavery was the norm throughout most of human history and seeing as slaves are often sexually abused by their masters the idea that a master would force their slave to go naked all the time I can't imagine that that probably didn't happen very often even though I haven't really heard any direct accounts of such.

I could imagine a more modern story where a woman is approached by the sheriff and his deputies. The shock on her face as he informs her, the supreme court has just ruled that such punishment is not considered 'cruel and unusual' because it was historically done in the past. (NYSRP vs Bruen 2023). She is completely overwhelmed as they start removing her clothing from her house, and is told to strip, as she quickly realizes she is to be naked for the next five years due to her stealing things from others.

That was actually what happened to the main female character that my male protagonists starts a relationship with. She was sentenced to nudity for stealing and it turns out that she was actually stealing for another guy who basically got off Scott free and there is later a confrontation between them. The real frustrating point for my main character though is that the woman he starts a relationship with her sentence ends up being ending several months before his does and he finds it hard to take the fact that he is naked and she is not. When they were both naked together there was sort of an equal ground staying and there was sort of like a shared experience but as soon as she was able to put clothing on it sort of complicated the relationship.

I didn't really have a scene like you described where the sheriff confronts a person automatically confiscates their clothing but I do have a scene where the man is arrested for harassing the woman but then he goes to court and then he is basically sentenced to nudity once he goes to prison. The basic idea was that the nudity wasn't generally the punishment in and of itself but sort of like an additional punishment. So he spends a year in jail where he is forced to go naked along with all the other prisoners, and then when he gets out of prison his year of nudity begins as an additional punishment.

Along the way she could either meet another man who is punished to nudity as well, or find a man that is sympathetic to her nudity punishment. Along the way however, she switches from being incensed by such a punishment, to realizing it builds character.

That pretty much is the plot of my story except it's the man who is the main character who was initially sentenced to nudity and he begins a relationship with a woman also sentenced to nudity as well as a friendship with another woman who is also forced to go naked who basically rescues him from a crowd of women who are harassing him on the street. I really have a great scene in there you have this crazy naked woman basically attacking this gang of women that is ganging up on the naked man that I thought was really funny.

But yeah that's basically what happens is that it's sort of like a redemption arc where my character begins the story is sort of this homophobic jerk who then drunkenly gropes a woman and it starts off with him seeing this one woman naked in public and becoming obsessed with her but then he doesn't see her again after that until sort of the ending which I thought was just a perfect way to end it.

But throughout the story I have my characters regularly admitting that after being naked they won't be committing any crimes again and they basically do learn from it suggesting that it does work. In fact at one point my character encounters a woman who is a prosecuting attorney who basically goes on about how crime has been down as a result of the punishment and basically just goes on about how essentially the punishment does work. Whether it really would work in reality is hard to say as it's a far-fetched premise to begin with, but I feel that it probably would serve as a deterrent. Basically the promise that I put forth was that a lot of people probably wouldn't be embarrassed about being criminals necessarily because you can't tell by looking at them, but if they had to be shamed by going naked in public everywhere that would be a different matter altogether as they would be exposed as both a criminal and be exposed to the rather literal sense!

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CurtGiles46

Yes. I love your ideas. The historical aspect is certainly an influence on me. I like your depiction of how it would play out. And your idea that the punished person could reach an enlightened view about being nude and it builds their character, is the kind of depth I’d love to see.

I went for a similar thing in my story about naked penance where early in the story my character meets a naked guy in the bar who all of the women are crowding around and reluctantly they eventually approach him and ask if he is a criminal and he basically explains how he was a criminal and found it humiliating, but then after his sentence was over he decided that he likes being naked in public because it gets in lots of attention from women. Basically one of the female friends of my main character thinks it's kind of bad ass that the guy would willingly choose to go naked.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CuttingEdge

You obviously could keep going, some details about actually being out of her clothing, like feeling the grass on her bare feet, or feeling the breeze against her uncovered sex. In that literary space, a great writer could introduce some foreshadowing of what it will be like to be nude 24/7/365 for 1826 days, and through CAREFUL foreshadowing, allude to the fact that there might be tangible benefits from being forced to be nude.

Yes I think that's also rather good and I do that a lot of my longer naked stories where the character sort of is terrified at the beginning and they are thinking about how they have so much of this ahead of them but over time they gradually become a little bit more accepting even though I still usually have my characters still never overcoming their overall shyness.

But then, just as she gets nude, the news media arrives to interview her about her lost case, and what its like to be naked. Talk about baptism by fire, now she is on the national news... naked!

I have had a couple of stories like that where a character didn't want to get noticed being naked only to find themselves on television. And I wrote one story about the opposite where a female reporter wants to get an interview with a famous celebrity but he is being swamped by reporters so she strips naked to get his attention and interviews him while completely naked and it ends up being the defining aspect of her career.

In the embarrassed naked male story that I haven't written yet that was the inspiration for this thread there was going to be an entire subplot about how he ends up becoming a major celebrity in the naked rights movement despite the fact that he really doesn't want to and he has a female politician basically using him as a political tool to gain votes on a pro-naked men platform.

Maybe an anti-naked advocate rushes into the story at this point, puts a towel over the lady, but gets arrested himself, or worse, gets her rearrested for not abiding with the sentence she received. She now has a staunch advocate, but its too late. She lost her case and now for many in the nation, about to lose their clothing. It's too late for an advocate... but yet, late because she kind of doesn't want one as she starts to learn compulsory nudity is not that bad.

I didn't put that so much in the naked penance story where the most they have is a march towards the end where they have lots of nudists marching in solidarity with the naked criminals to try and show that being naked shouldn't be a crime or an association with criminality but beyond that I didn't really have any actual nudists in it.

I was probably going to make that more of an aspect in the nudity virus one where the character is frustrated because nudists obviously his biggest supporters and gaining rights for the involuntarily naked but he gets increasingly frustrated by the fact that they are getting to go naked at the expense of him having to be naked all the time.
In naked penance in the end it ultimately didn't result in the laws being changed so it ends on sort of that note of the laws remaining on the books essentially.

 

[Nudeslave83]

I don't think another situation that would be really kind of frustrating like this is any situation where the women are dressed really nicely or formally or something like that, like in any kind of really formal affair where everyone is wearing clothing except for you, you would then majorly be the focus of attention not just because it's supposed to be a serious occasion but because you are providing a moment of levity to it I think.

 

[CurtGiles46]

I don't think another situation that would be really kind of frustrating like this is any situation where the women are dressed really nicely or formally or something like that, like in any kind of really formal affair where everyone is wearing clothing except for you, you would then majorly be the focus of attention not just because it's supposed to be a serious occasion but because you are providing a moment of levity to it I think.

I love that. Like a Hollywood Oscars event.

 

[Nudeslave83]

@CurtGiles46

I love that. Like a Hollywood Oscars event.

Yes I was going to have a scene like that in the novel itself where he ends up going to some kind of big fundraiser for all of the naked men where it's like this big gala event with all of these famous actors and actresses and politicians, all nicely and comfortably dressed, and the whole thing is just excruciating because he is being put in the limelight in the exact way he doesn't want to be!

 

[CurtGiles46]

@CurtGiles46

Yes I was going to have a scene like that in the novel itself where he ends up going to some kind of big fundraiser for all of the naked men where it's like this big gala event with all of these famous actors and actresses and politicians, all nicely and comfortably dressed, and the whole thing is just excruciating because he is being put in the limelight in the exact way he doesn't want to be!

That has such great potential for him to be emotionally jolted by what’s happening to him. To his surprise, he’d notice one of his favorite actresses present and think, “Not her too! Seeing me like this!”

 

[000zing]

I'm afraid the thread title is a leading question.

I think it might just be time to point out that there are many of us here who would be bored ****less by any story where the central theme is "a shy, embarrassed, naked man"... and especially so if this is of novel length, if you please.