What would you do if BDSM would be illegal?

[Primalex]

I mean, really, really illegal, as in:

BDSM porn (pictures or videos) on the computer -> 2 years (maybe probation, depending on the amount and exact count) and registered sex offender.

Performing sexual acts on s.o. who is tied up -> 2 years

Whipping s.o.'s body for sexual pleasure -> 4 years

etc.

 

[BiBunny]

I don't really look at porn, BDSM or otherwise, so that wouldn't be an issue. I also don't do the public play thing, so that wouldn't be an issue, either. I think I'd just play privately (very privately) with people I trusted and not talk about it to anyone. Or move if we're talking having people police my private sex life.

 

[Primalex]

I think I'd just play privately (very privately) with people I trusted and not talk about it to anyone.

Well, how do you meet the "trusted people" though?

BDSM websites? Shut down.

Foreign BDSM websites? Dangerous, might be honey pots or access otherwise monitored.

Chat websites? An admin might turn you in if you ask for this.

 

[BiBunny]

Well, how do you meet the "trusted people" though?

BDSM websites? Shut down.

Foreign BDSM websites? Dangerous, might be honey pots or access otherwise monitored.

Chat websites? An admin might turn you in if you ask for this.

People I already know?

 

[callinectes2]

Anal and oral sex was illegal in most states until very recently but somehow people still managed to get blow jobs.

 

[Primalex]

Anal and oral sex was illegal in most states until very recently but somehow people still managed to get blow jobs.

Because it wasn't prosecuted.

 

[Stella_Omega]

We would come up with a new code.

Some woman talked recently, about how she was interrogated about the men she knew-- were any of them homosexual? She said she did not know any homosexuals. The MP kept asking her if she knew someone on the base or nearby, named "Dorothy." This Dorothy, they thought, might be hosting parties for homosexual men.
Later she found out that "A friend of Dorothy" (As in "The Wizard Of Oz") was code for gay men, in the Army. Even though she was friends with some gay men, they never entrusted her with that secret signal.

There are always ways to make oneself known to others. There would be a lot fewer people involved, and a lot of solitary fantasies. A lot of people would never get to actualise what they wanted. No different than usual, really.

 

[00Syd]

In some states "Whipping s.o.'s body for sexual pleasure" already is illegal as assault with a deadly weapon, and can be prosecuted. People seem to manage to get their kicks without getting caught all too often, just like how many wife-beaters never get caught.

I don't think too much would change. Like Stella said, we would create a new code and then get on with our lives.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I'd love it. I'm already missing the outlaw aspect it used to have.

These days, even vanillas think of themselves as "dominant" and "submissive".

 

[graceanne]

I don't really look at porn, BDSM or otherwise, so that wouldn't be an issue. I also don't do the public play thing, so that wouldn't be an issue, either. I think I'd just play privately (very privately) with people I trusted and not talk about it to anyone. Or move if we're talking having people police my private sex life.

Same here.

Honestly, the military has laws regarding everything, including sex. They outlined a lot of those laws while K was in basic training. Among them is no oral sex, no anal sex, no doggy position, no woman on top, no extra marital sex, no sleeping with prostitutes, etc.

When K got home we broke laws over and over and over. K wouldn't have sex unless we got to break a law. Having illegal sex is not an issue to us; it's not like we're publishing photos on the internet so who's gonna know?

 

[infinity706]

We would come up with a new code.

Some woman talked recently, about how she was interrogated about the men she knew-- were any of them homosexual? She said she did not know any homosexuals. The MP kept asking her if she knew someone on the base or nearby, named "Dorothy." This Dorothy, they thought, might be hosting parties for homosexual men.
Later she found out that "A friend of Dorothy" (As in "The Wizard Of Oz") was code for gay men, in the Army. Even though she was friends with some gay men, they never entrusted her with that secret signal.

There are always ways to make oneself known to others. There would be a lot fewer people involved, and a lot of solitary fantasies. A lot of people would never get to actualise what they wanted. No different than usual, really.

Yeah, and they still use Friends of Dorothy as the heading for GLBT meetings on cruise ships. Sadly, though, they're poorly attended even though I know for sure there are quite a few on every cruise I've been on. I'm not sure if it's because people don't know what Friends of Dorothy means, they're worried about being outed, or the fact that there's better activities scheduled at the same time, though.

Oh, and as for BDSM being illegal, that's already the case. It's more an agreement to not prosecute each other for sexual assault. Of course, here, cohabitation is illegal as well as fornication (penis in vagina between unmarried parnters), oral, anal, sex with lights on, the windows open, in positions besides missionary, in any place you could be observed (including your house if the curtains are open),... If I got prosecuted for all the sexual shit I've done, I'd already have racked up over 1000 felony counts, considering oral and anal are only slightly less severe than rape and equal to incest, necrophilia, and bestiality.

 

[chy_girl]

I mean, really, really illegal, as in:

BDSM porn (pictures or videos) on the computer -> 2 years (maybe probation, depending on the amount and exact count) and registered sex offender.

Performing sexual acts on s.o. who is tied up -> 2 years

Whipping s.o.'s body for sexual pleasure -> 4 years

etc.

Same as I do now knowing that if the right person with a hair up their ass found out I'd lose my kids and probably end up wasting the 7 years of college I have under my belt. *shrugs* It's a play smart factor and being selective about who I discuss it with.

The only porn I go looking for is in relation to assigned tasks, and only once out of the very few times was it BDSM specific.

 

[YourCaptor]

Wouldn't be much diffrent, except that it would be even more exciting.

 

[Cinner]

As with any other forbidden thing in the society a thriving underground would develop to promote BDSM. We would have to pay more to access it but I'm sure that we would still be able to do so whether online or in real life.

 

[KoPilot]

Cop: What are those bruises, miss?
Woman: I fell?
Cop: ...don't be so clumsy next time.

 

[FurryFury]

Most of what I enjoy sexually are illegal in my state. They are also no one else's business. So I do what I and my husband please.

 

[NomadLady]

Like everyone has said

A lot of the things in BDSM are still on the books as illegal in a lot of states....what makes you ask such a question? Do you really think someone is actually going to enforce ANCIENT laws?

Government can't even enforce the ones passed last week in most places????

 

[sb2009]

I would start a movement, man. I would be a pioneer and get myself arrested and spend 50 years in jail for the cause.

afer I raised my kids of course.

 

[Primalex]

Interesting result.


Considering that most think that it wouldn't matter much at all, whether it is legal or illegal - do you think it makes sense that underage sex is illegal? Obviously, those who fancy this, would think very much the same as you do.

 

[chy_girl]

Interesting result.


Considering that most think that it wouldn't matter much at all, whether it is legal or illegal - do you think it makes sense that underage sex is illegal? Obviously, those who fancy this, would think very much the same as you do.

It's not the same thing. In BDSM there is consent. By law (in most, if not all U.S. states) a person under the age of 18 (possibly 21) cannot legally give consent to be party to certain acts. As adults, we can - hence the Right to Consent law in my state.

 

[graceanne]

It's not the same thing. In BDSM there is consent. By law (in most, if not all U.S. states) a person under the age of 18 (possibly 21) cannot legally give consent to be party to certain acts. As adults, we can - hence the Right to Consent law in my state.

Pretty much. I'm an adult, he's an adult. I do not care what people think about what we do in the privacy of our bedroom. It's none of their damn business. With someone who's underage, among other things there is someone else involved - their parent. They might not be there in the room, but they are very likely to be unhappy about the situation. Most statutory rapes are not turned in by the teenybopper, but by their parent.

 

[Primalex]

It's not the same thing. In BDSM there is consent. By law (in most, if not all U.S. states) a person under the age of 18 (possibly 21) cannot legally give consent to be party to certain acts. As adults, we can - hence the Right to Consent law in my state.

I'm talking here about the impact of laws on persons with sexual desires. So your rant about consent completely misses the point.

 

[where]

I'm talking here about the impact of laws on persons with sexual desires. So your rant about consent completely misses the point.

it would come down to definitions then. paedophilia is very clearly defined, BDSM isn't, at least not until you get to the more physically extreme end.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Interesting result.


Considering that most think that it wouldn't matter much at all, whether it is legal or illegal - do you think it makes sense that underage sex is illegal? Obviously, those who fancy this, would think very much the same as you do.

And they do indeed. This is well-known. Drug users, as well, use despite the laws. Drag racers race, no matter what the town fathers say. Some drugs are more damaging than others, drag racing is a nuisance at its most minor and a danger at its worst. The severity or moral ambiguity of people's preferred occupations is not going to impact their willingness to flout the law.

I don't think we've uncovered anything new here.

 

[Primalex]

And they do indeed. This is well-known. Drug users, as well, use despite the laws. Drag racers race, no matter what the town fathers say. Some drugs are more damaging than others, drag racing is a nuisance at its most minor and a danger at its worst. The severity or moral ambiguity of people's preferred occupations is not going to impact their willingness to flout the law.

Yes.

I just don't manage the step from this well-known observation to the conclusion that the illegality of actions doesn't matter.