"White Privilege"

[Aquagal]

Good point!

Obama was half white.

Right. Certain times of the year I get nappy hair at my neck as well.

 

[thør]

Right. Certain times of the year I get nappy hair at my neck as well.

Can you get a break on the price of a latte because of it?

 

[Aquagal]

Can you get a break on the price of a latte because of it?

My nappy hairs never gives me a discount. I do know a coffee wagon owner that I've wheeled and dealed with...it's all in who you know.

 

[thør]

My nappy hairs never gives me a discount. I do know a coffee wagon owner that I've wheeled and dealed with...it's all in who you know.

And a little politeness goes a long way.

 

[Aquagal]

After deeper thought, I take that back. I have received free hair products because of the nappy hairs.

 

[AlotLikePsyche]

Thought so.

It really shit's on the "white" privilege premise when a whole shit load of people who aren't white have more of it than white people doesn't it?

No I don't...I think I benefit from following instructions and not being a fucking moron privilege.

I think I benefit from having a father who cared enough to put a foot up my ass every day growing up to teach me how to not be a fuck up privilege.

Besides my father is Korean, war refugee back in the 50's in Texas when shit was REALLY racist.

Yet he managed to become an engineer, USAF fighter pilot and entrepreneur. He's wound up with more white privilege than 99% of white people, as many other non white folks have and is in no way shape or form a victim of his skin color.

The privileges you speak of are green, connection and behavior privileges, not white.

I haven't explained myself to your satisfaction yet, I'll give you that, but I am clear on my own meaning. I mean white privilege.

Plenty of white people are poor, uneducated and have a hard life. We are in agreement on that. My point is that life in America is not any harder on white people *because* of being white. Whiteness is not an additional burden.

If I said something that implied I think your father or anyone is a victim of their skin color, then I apologize for that. It sure wasn't intentional.

Are you saying you attribute your success/accomplishments entirely to your own personal attributes (hard work and superior intellect)?

I think poor people work hard, very hard. They're not lazy, not morons, not fuck-ups. It seems like you're implying that they are.

Sounds like you were fortunate to have a father who cared for you, and held you accountable. I was, too. My mom did that for me.

Some kids aren't so lucky. They have fathers who are incarcerated. I bet that makes things much harder for them.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I haven't explained myself to your satisfaction yet, I'll give you that, but I am clear on my own meaning. I mean white privilege.

Plenty of white people are poor, uneducated and have a hard life. We are in agreement on that. My point is that life in America is not any harder on white people *because* of being white. Whiteness is not an additional burden.

What white privilege? I'm looking for you to name a privilege that is inherent to whiteness.

What will poor white trailer trash get that Oprah does not??

If I said something that implied I think your father or anyone is a victim of their skin color, then I apologize for that. It sure wasn't intentional.

That would be the term white privilege.

Are you saying you attribute your success/accomplishments entirely to your own personal attributes (hard work and superior intellect)?

As an adult? Yes. I take full responsibility for both my fuck up's and successes.

I think poor people work hard, very hard. They're not lazy, not morons, not fuck-ups. It seems like you're implying that they are.

Hard =/= smart and I'm not saying they are all morons or fuck-ups.

But a LOT of them are. The only reason anyone in M'uricuh is poor is because they are either disabled in some way, lazy or just bad with money with the vast majority falling in the bad with money category.

Sounds like you were fortunate to have a father who cared for you, and held you accountable. I was, too. My mom did that for me.

I am, overbearing asian father meme is funny because it's true.

Some kids aren't so lucky. They have fathers who are incarcerated. I bet that makes things much harder for them.

Indeed....again, most of that is life choice.

Fuck up and get locked up? Shitting on your kids....all over em'...unfortunate side effect of being a degenerate.

 

[hsnh]

I haven't explained myself to your satisfaction yet, I'll give you that, but I am clear on my own meaning. I mean white privilege.

Plenty of white people are poor, uneducated and have a hard life. We are in agreement on that. My point is that life in America is not any harder on white people *because* of being white. Whiteness is not an additional burden.

If I said something that implied I think your father or anyone is a victim of their skin color, then I apologize for that. It sure wasn't intentional.

Are you saying you attribute your success/accomplishments entirely to your own personal attributes (hard work and superior intellect)?

I think poor people work hard, very hard. They're not lazy, not morons, not fuck-ups. It seems like you're implying that they are.

Sounds like you were fortunate to have a father who cared for you, and held you accountable. I was, too. My mom did that for me.

Some kids aren't so lucky. They have fathers who are incarcerated. I bet that makes things much harder for them.

The way I differentiate myself (a LIBERAL) from many GB social justice warriers (LEFTISTS):

Leftists focus on the past, whereas liberals are present and future focused.

GB SJW's (LEFTISTS) :
- because blacks or transgenders or muslims were discriminated historically (either the person or their ancestor), we need to give them advantage.
- And this also fosters a sense of entitlement in certain nonwhite posters like nowisthetime.


ME (LIBERAL)
- I keep an eye on the fact that blacks or transgenders or muslims are more likely to be discriminated, so whenever I notice such instances I try to correct them.
- But I'm not going to give them unfair advantage because they aren't white, or were bullied 2 years ago. Equality in the present, for all.
I respect the attitude of black posters like LJ or LadyF, but posters like nowisthetime can shove their nonwhite privilege up their ass.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The way I differentiate myself (a LIBERAL) from many GB social justice warriers (LEFTISTS):

Leftists focus on the past, whereas liberals are present and future focused.

GB SJW's (LEFTISTS) :
- because blacks or transgenders or muslims were discriminated historically (either the person or their ancestor), we need to give them advantage.
- And this also fosters a sense of entitlement in certain nonwhite posters like nowisthetime.


ME (LIBERAL)
- I keep an eye on the fact that blacks or transgenders or muslims are more likely to be discriminated, so whenever I notice such instances I try to correct them.
- But I'm not going to give them unfair advantage because they aren't white, or were bullied 2 years ago. Equality in the present, for all.
I respect the attitude of black posters like LJ or LadyF, but posters like nowisthetime can shove their nonwhite privilege up their ass.

You could have included Jews, who have suffered discrimination for thousands of years or Irish in the 19th Century.

 

[hsnh]

I just realized:
I sometimes forget that I'm not american, and I sometimes go overboard which might be annoying.


I'm focusing on American politics Not because I want to intrude. But I want to talk Politics too, and unfortunately 99% of threads (and the best ones) are about American politics. I'd rather focus on European or Worlwide politics tbh.

Moreover, the issues that Americans face are sortof Universal: They are here and in Europe as well. (bigotry versus PCnness, left - right paradigm which excludes the 1%). A different flavour, but the same underneath.

You could have included Jews, who have suffered discrimination for thousands of years or Irish in the 19th Century.

Indeed. But it seems that both american dems and reps hate them (to paraphrase Lance) and they don't include them on the list.

 

[AlotLikePsyche]

What white privilege? I'm looking for you to name a privilege that is inherent to whiteness.

What will poor white trailer trash get that Oprah does not??

I realize it's not your term, and that it is commonly used, but it's sad when people call each other trash. Poor people are not trash. People are not trash.

Privilege comes from (systemic or institutional) positions of power. A poor white person has white privilege, but not class privilege. Oprah has class privilege. There is no black privilege or poor privilege, because privilege doesn't go both ways. Poor people and black people do not have institutional power. That's my take on it, any way.

Maybe we can agree to disagree. I feel like I already answered this question. I'll try again, though. (I'm not trying to be difficult.)

- White kids learn about our history in school, white history is not invisible, ignored, marginalized, distorted or an elective in school curriculums (heritage of ancestors is reflected, stories are taught, usually from white perspective).

- In group settings, white people are not asked to speak on behalf of all other white people. Not tokenized. Like, "Hey, BotanyBoy, you're Korean, what do you think of the reaction of the Korean community in LA during the LA Riots?"

- When Oprah buys "flesh" colored bandaids or stockings or crayons, they probably do not match her skin tone.

- White people can (and do) arrange to spend the vast majority of their time surrounded almost entirely by other white people- at home, at school, at work.

That would be the term white privilege.

I am sorry about that. I'm not sure what else to call it.

When you say green privilege do you mean class (socio-economic status)?

 

[Ishmael]

I realize it's not your term, and that it is commonly used, but it's sad when people call each other trash. Poor people are not trash. People are not trash.

Privilege comes from (systemic or institutional) positions of power. A poor white person has white privilege, but not class privilege. Oprah has class privilege. There is no black privilege or poor privilege, because privilege doesn't go both ways. Poor people and black people do not have institutional power. That's my take on it, any way.

Maybe we can agree to disagree. I feel like I already answered this question. I'll try again, though. (I'm not trying to be difficult.)

- White kids learn about our history in school, white history is not invisible, ignored, marginalized, distorted or an elective in school curriculums (heritage of ancestors is reflected, stories are taught, usually from white perspective).

- In group settings, white people are not asked to speak on behalf of all other white people. Not tokenized. Like, "Hey, BotanyBoy, you're Korean, what do you think of the reaction of the Korean community in LA during the LA Riots?"

- When Oprah buys "flesh" colored bandaids or stockings or crayons, they probably do not match her skin tone.

- White people can (and do) arrange to spend the vast majority of their time surrounded almost entirely by other white people- at home, at school, at work.



I am sorry about that. I'm not sure what else to call it.

When you say green privilege do you mean class (socio-economic status)?

Point by point.

Yes, most history is of 'white' people. It is the history of western culture, the dominant culture of Europe and the western hemisphere. Expending a lot of time and energy on, oh say, African Tribal Culture or Aztec/Mayan culture would be as pointless as it would be a dis-service. Like it or not we all have to live within the dominant culture. Move to China and bitch about the fact that western culture is not taught as the mainstream curricula and see how far you get.

Yes, 'white' people ARE asked questions like that in settings where they are the minority or the only representative of their group present. I semi-agree that it's off-putting. A black can no more speak for all blacks than a white can speak fro all whites. All you're going to get is a personal opinion.

They make band-aids in all shades now. We have progressed don't ya know?

People arrange to spend their free time with groups that they feel most comfortable with, it's called 'freedom of association.' That is a characteristic of ALL human beings and is not restricted to any one particular group.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

A black can no more speak for all blacks than a white can speak fro all whites. All you're going to get is a personal opinion.
Ishmael

Quoting for posterity, and bookmarking. This is going to be a LOT of fun the next time racist Ishmael attempts to blame all blacks for Reverend Al Sharpton and/or Reverend Jesse Jackson.

Nothing but good times ahead!!

 

[Rightguide]

I realize it's not your term, and that it is commonly used, but it's sad when people call each other trash. Poor people are not trash. People are not trash.

Privilege comes from (systemic or institutional) positions of power. A poor white person has white privilege, but not class privilege. Oprah has class privilege. There is no black privilege or poor privilege, because privilege doesn't go both ways. Poor people and black people do not have institutional power. That's my take on it, any way.

Maybe we can agree to disagree. I feel like I already answered this question. I'll try again, though. (I'm not trying to be difficult.)

- White kids learn about our history in school, white history is not invisible, ignored, marginalized, distorted or an elective in school curriculums (heritage of ancestors is reflected, stories are taught, usually from white perspective).

- In group settings, white people are not asked to speak on behalf of all other white people. Not tokenized. Like, "Hey, BotanyBoy, you're Korean, what do you think of the reaction of the Korean community in LA during the LA Riots?"

- When Oprah buys "flesh" colored bandaids or stockings or crayons, they probably do not match her skin tone.

- White people can (and do) arrange to spend the vast majority of their time surrounded almost entirely by other white people- at home, at school, at work.



I am sorry about that. I'm not sure what else to call it.

When you say green privilege do you mean class (socio-economic status)?

Yet black Americans are the healthiest, freest, most politically, and economically powerful, black population on Earth. Nowhere else on Earth are they as successful as they are here in America.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I realize it's not your term, and that it is commonly used, but it's sad when people call each other trash. Poor people are not trash. People are not trash.

I never said that poor people are trash.

But I disagree that people are not trash, some people are.

Privilege comes from (systemic or institutional) positions of power.

Poor people and black people do not have institutional power.

REALLY?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2965572/images/n-MAXINE-WATERS-628x314.jpg

I can go dig for pic's of all the other black congress critters, Obama and then state/city/country reps....but I figured just one will suffice to burn that assumption to the ground??

Poor people don't, you're right about that.

Maybe we can agree to disagree. I feel like I already answered this question. I'll try again, though. (I'm not trying to be difficult.)

- White kids learn about our history in school, white history is not invisible, ignored, marginalized, distorted or an elective in school curriculums (heritage of ancestors is reflected, stories are taught, usually from white perspective).

No history is invisible. White kids also learn all about black history...red history....yellow history.

As far as marginalized, distorted or an elective in school curriculum that's ALL history, it's a matter of who's teaching it.

- In group settings, white people are not asked to speak on behalf of all other white people. Not tokenized. Like, "Hey, BotanyBoy, you're Korean, what do you think of the reaction of the Korean community in LA during the LA Riots?"

LOL are you just not paying attention lately?

YOU yourself engage in it with terms like "White privilege", if one white person has money then we are all privileged right?

- When Oprah buys "flesh" colored bandaids or stockings or crayons, they probably do not match her skin tone.

They have had multi tone band-aids for at least 30 something years now, available at your local drug store or Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...Skin+Tone+Flexible+Fabric+Bandages+Combo+Pack

Sorry....things aren't as racist as you think they are.

- White people can (and do) arrange to spend the vast majority of their time surrounded almost entirely by other white people- at home, at school, at work.

So does everyone else in their own pockets of society.

Should we protest K-town, China town and Oakland for doing the same as white people or is it only bad enough to blame a whole race for the actions of a few when white people do it?

Not a white privilege.

I am sorry about that. I'm not sure what else to call it.

Seeing as you nor anyone else can name any privileges that are inherently white (something white people get but nobody else does) 'bullshit' sounds pretty accurate.

When you say green privilege do you mean class (socio-economic status)?

Yes.