Who is the average Lit reader?

I think Incest is still the number one read story here.

Anal is a prominent second.

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Maybe on the anal. I mean, I've had a great deal of rum and it just sounds better.

My stories in the anal cat have always done quite well, however.
 
From what I've seen, most of the LIT writers are anal. The fruit never falls far from the ass.
 
I saw somewhere that 10% of the lit membership comes from India but very little is heard from them. At least one writer(Rubysen) includes Bengali language segments in her stories so perhaps she is on to something. Theyre not average but there's a lot of them.:)
 
I think Incest is still the number one read story here.

Anal is a prominent second.

Edited to add -

Maybe on the anal. I mean, I've had a great deal of rum and it just sounds better.

My stories in the anal cat have always done quite well, however.


I think that the reason these categories do so well is that the "normal" lit reader is looking for more that vanilla "I screwed the wife last night" stories. I doubt many readers are here looking for the Great American Novel. They are looking for titillation and to vicariously enjoy things that are "taboo" in RL. That is why Anal, Incest, NC/Reluc, LW and the gay/lesbian genres get so many hits as compared to ones such as romance. It's stuff they know will never happen to/for them for realsies.
 
If I'm reading this right, I'm completely agreeing with you. "Good," for the reader isn't necessarily about excellence in writing. "Good" is about hitting the reader's kink in all the right spots.

That is why some of the writers who earn most don't win Literary Prizes. They write to exploit the widest possible population of readers.

Although J K Rowling is the world's highest earning author she doesn't claim that her works showcase literary excellence.

Unfortunately those who judge Literary Contests have high-faluting ideas of what is Literature and dismiss popular fiction as rubbish. Some of it is, but it is rubbish that is bought for real money.

Bulwer-Lytton, he of "It was a dark and stormy night", in his era was nearly as popular as Charles Dickens and made nearly as much money. Bulwer-Lytton wasn't and isn't literature.

Modern readers won't read Dennis Wheatley or Edgar Wallace yet both earned substantial incomes from their fiction. Stephen King, Tom Clancy and Dean Koontz are modern equivalents.

I still think that a reader's "good" is only good because it provides what that reader wants. Mills and Boon books are "good" for those who want to read them. The Mills and Boon authors write professionally, to a formula, but aim to entertain. Their specific audience think that their expectations will be met - and they are.

The real question is how do we write stories for Literotica that are "good" for the majority of Lit's readers. I don't know because I can't. Those who read my stories are a very small minority of the audience on Literotica.

I could try to write a story that would be perceived as "good" by a much larger audience but I don't think I'd succeed. I don't have that skill.

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Mostly because I am bored out of my gourd, but partly because I was curious, I did a little statistical analysis of the Most Read stories by category.

I looked at the top 100 stories and divided the total number of reads by the duration they have been on Lit. Although crude, and not taking in a lot of possible variances, this showed how often each day the top stories/genres were read (or at least opened).

It was interesting to see, using this method, that the top 10 stories were all Incest/Taboo.

I then looked at the top stories/genres by votes. Using the same methodology (votes/duration) it broke down completely different.

The Top 10 Genres were 30% Non-Human, 30% Novels/Novellas, 20% Sci-Fi, 10% Mature and 10% Romance.

 
I have an ideal reader I write my stories for, and she hasn't changed much since I've been writing.

I think if I intentionally changed my ideal of who I was writing for and targeted my stories for another type of reader, I'd feel like a pimp.

Why would I want to do that? To win contests?
 
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That is why some of the writers who earn most don't win Literary Prizes. They write to exploit the widest possible population of readers.
True, pop fiction is a category of it's own, I prefer better writing myself, but good writers don't churn out volume - Lord of the Flies is more harrowing than anything King has ever written, but King has outwritten Golding by orders of magnitude - you have to be more eclectic if you like writing because there's less to choose from, whereas a genre fan can read horror or mystery at a rate of a book a day for the rest of their lives and never run out. I'm an SF/Fantasy fan myself when it comes to pop lit, and there's no shortage of stuff I haven't read, but you run across truley memorable novels like Triton or Synthajoy only occasionally.

The more the merrier I say, and I sincerely doubt if I'll ever write any great literature either - but there's no harm in trying, I always aim for perfection: you never quite achieve it, but you sometimes surprise yourself and do better than you thought you might.
 
Blushing Why Thank ya Darling Winks

You are the kind of reader who inspires me to write more and smuttier stories. :)

Giggles well if I happen to inspire ya to write a really HOT MMFF story with lots of anal and clit licking fun had by all :devil:

PLEASE DO MAIL ME TO LET ME KNOW THE TITLE SO I CAN READ IT. :kiss:
 
What do you think the demographic is? Who are they? What age range? What are their reasons for coming here? What do you picture when you think of the average Lit reader? What kinds of qualities does the average reader possess that makes the choose which stories are good and which stories aren't good? How do they define "good" when it comes to stories? How do they define "bad"? What motivates them to click or not click? What motivates them to keep reading? What motivates them to read completely through to the end? What motivates them to stop reading and go do something else?

How and/or why did you form your opinion?

I ask because I've been reading a few of the threads on writing here and I'm curious about how the authors frame their readers in their minds. I don't mean by a subject/category specific audience, but the entire Lit audience. Obviously, people who write about BDSM or gay males are writing to people who like those subjects. What I mean is not "genre" so much as the entire readership themselves. Who is the average person that clicks open the New Stories category and starts surfing for something "good" to read, whatever "good" may mean?

I've put a lot of thought into it way back when and came up with some things. I'm wondering if anyone else has, as well and what those things might be.

No such thing in my opinion.
Definitely nothing average about any part of Lit, be it the writers or the readers.

Everyone who comes here wants something specific, so it's very hard to quantify the need that drives them.

All we can hope is that what is on offer is so diverse, that everyone who comes here will find some examples of what they are looking for. I know I did.
 
...Everyone who comes here wants something specific, so it's very hard to quantify the need that drives them.

All we can hope is that what is on offer is so diverse, that everyone who comes here will find some examples of what they are looking for. I know I did.

We know you did.

We're still happy for you both. :heart:

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I asked this question(s) with ulterior motives.

I've been watching this forum on and off for a few years. I've noticed a lot of people screaming about 1 votes and complaining about how their stories didn't do so well in voting while other, more badly written stroke stories consistently hang out way above them in the top lists.

I've been watching people complain about the lack of quality writing--not just the really badly done second person, typo-laden, barely 750 word long cookie cutter "this is what me and my partner did!" confessional--but the ones who write stroke stuff with almost no plot. There have been ideas about two Lits, one for stroke and one for quality writing.

I've always known that Lit was about letting the reader judge quality, not the editor. With publications, the editor is the first judge and gets rid of most of the drek. After that, the reader gets a chance. With Lit, the editor makes sure the story falls within policy guidelins (eg, no bestiality) and has a certain adherence to spelling, punctuation, and formatting to make the story legible. Subjectively, the story is judged by the reader.

I used to scream about 1-bombs. There is this one author I hated so much because she always had high rated stories and won prizes and adoration and I didn't. I felt I was the better writer. My stories had better plot and characterization. Hers? Bad porno video! The truth? I didn't consider the entire Lit audience. She successfully merged engaging characters and hot sex almost from the beginning. It took me quite a few paragraphs to get to the sex. I had build up before sex. She had sex and build up at the same time. She was in tune with the average Lit reader. She got the high votes because she gave them what they were looking for.

I started thinking about the average Lit readership, myself. I gave it a lot of thought and this is what I came up with. It's not an accurate picture, because who can know what other people are thinking, but I think it's a decent enough idea of what the general person likely to click open any one my stories is like.

The primary reader is generally a literate adult intent on masturbation. Stroke stories with a good plot woven score the absolute best with readers. The plot and character development make the story unique and interesting, but they don't want to spend a lot of time getting to the sex part. They like short stories, but not too short, because they've spent too much of their alloted Lit time searching the archives for a story that hits their kink. Anything too long? They'll do it when they have time, but they come to Lit to cum, not find a bestseller. The best rated stories have sex and plot from the beginning to the end, so the reader can match his or her arousal arc with the plot arc. They want to get on, get off, and either do it again or go do something else. They do judge writing quality, but masturbatory experience will usually guide them in their vote choices. I think that most of the readers are in this group, like about 90%. They might write some, but it's more along the lines of fantasy sharing for them. It's always about the sex when they do. They tend to start in second person or confessionals. Some of them do it to meet people. I doubt they ever use the forums or chat rooms.

The secondary reader is generally a literate adult intent on arousal, but not necessarily masturbation. They like well written, plottier stories that lead up to good sex. They'll spend more time browsing before settling in to read. I think they're also more discriminating with their votes because they judge writing quality over masturbatory experience. These are the people who are more likely to read longer stories, I think. They'll come back to cum, if they have to, for a well written story. They'll forgive amateur authors for doofy typos and such, but not too much. Grammar whores live here.

The tertiary reader is the serious writer. Sometimes it's about the sex, particularly if they like the writer they're reading. Mostly, Lit's about the writing for them. It's a small group of people, comparatively. They read stories and note the writing just as much as they do the sex. If it's not well written, they won't like it. They don't like stroke stories very much, but will occasionally read them. If they leave feedback, it's to comment on the writing itself, never about the sex or arousal. Well, unless they know the writer and feel a camaraderie with them.

The last group is the nutjobs. They read just to get offended or to find places to proseltyze. I spelled that wrong. They're not important because they're only on Lit to use writing for purposes other than enjoyment. Unless you count being offended or leading people to Jesus/Zoroaster/Flying Spaghetti Monster as enjoyment.

My writing tends to appeal to the secondary group. It's pretty good, if I do toot my own horn, but tends to drag a little before the sex gets there. And when it does, it's a bit tame. I never took it seriously enough to really appeal to Lit's full audience. Maybe that's not quite accurate.

When submitting a short story or poem for publication in a print magazine, a writer should read at least 6 back issues to get a feel for what kind of writing the editors and readers like so they can find out if their writing fits or not. And if it doesn't, can they tailor it a bit to make it fit. With Lit, the editor doesn't have to be pleased (other than a few flat policy points) but the reader does. You can't browse the archive and get a feel for what fits the publication because it's just so varied. So I never bothered to really think about who the reader is.

In the end, though, it's pretty simple. It's not where they're from, how old they are, how much money they make or all of the other usual demographics. It's what motivates them to be here and to vote/leave feedback. Tailoring stories to meet those needs is pretty simple at times, if someone's a good writer and has an interest in doing so. Not tailoring stories to those needs? I never did. And not meeting the needs of the reader in the first few paragraphs leads to a lot of back clicks. They don't have time to leave feedback to say I didn't hit their kink or the story dragged to long before I hit the sex part, sorry, but I'm shopping elsewhere. That's something I'm willing to take. I'm also willing to state that my success (mediocre) on Lit is of my own making, not someone else's. My scores reflect how well I meet the needs of Lit's primary readership.

I wanted to know what other people thought about Lit's readership because I wanted to see how well my opinions reflected others. I'm not an authority. I'm not the only person who has received feedback both positive and negative. I'd hoped to see what, if anything, others had come up.

I appreciate it. You folks have helped out. :)
 
I asked this question(s) with ulterior motives.

I've been watching this forum on and off for a few years. I've noticed a lot of people screaming about 1 votes and complaining about how their stories didn't do so well in voting while other, more badly written stroke stories consistently hang out way above them in the top lists.

I've been watching people complain about the lack of quality writing--not just the really badly done second person, typo-laden, barely 750 word long cookie cutter "this is what me and my partner did!" confessional--but the ones who write stroke stuff with almost no plot. There have been ideas about two Lits, one for stroke and one for quality writing.

I've always known that Lit was about letting the reader judge quality, not the editor. With publications, the editor is the first judge and gets rid of most of the drek. After that, the reader gets a chance. With Lit, the editor makes sure the story falls within policy guidelins (eg, no bestiality) and has a certain adherence to spelling, punctuation, and formatting to make the story legible. Subjectively, the story is judged by the reader.

I used to scream about 1-bombs. There is this one author I hated so much because she always had high rated stories and won prizes and adoration and I didn't. I felt I was the better writer. My stories had better plot and characterization. Hers? Bad porno video! The truth? I didn't consider the entire Lit audience. She successfully merged engaging characters and hot sex almost from the beginning. It took me quite a few paragraphs to get to the sex. I had build up before sex. She had sex and build up at the same time. She was in tune with the average Lit reader. She got the high votes because she gave them what they were looking for.

I started thinking about the average Lit readership, myself. I gave it a lot of thought and this is what I came up with. It's not an accurate picture, because who can know what other people are thinking, but I think it's a decent enough idea of what the general person likely to click open any one my stories is like.

The primary reader is generally a literate adult intent on masturbation. Stroke stories with a good plot woven score the absolute best with readers. The plot and character development make the story unique and interesting, but they don't want to spend a lot of time getting to the sex part. They like short stories, but not too short, because they've spent too much of their alloted Lit time searching the archives for a story that hits their kink. Anything too long? They'll do it when they have time, but they come to Lit to cum, not find a bestseller. The best rated stories have sex and plot from the beginning to the end, so the reader can match his or her arousal arc with the plot arc. They want to get on, get off, and either do it again or go do something else. They do judge writing quality, but masturbatory experience will usually guide them in their vote choices. I think that most of the readers are in this group, like about 90%. They might write some, but it's more along the lines of fantasy sharing for them. It's always about the sex when they do. They tend to start in second person or confessionals. Some of them do it to meet people. I doubt they ever use the forums or chat rooms.

The secondary reader is generally a literate adult intent on arousal, but not necessarily masturbation. They like well written, plottier stories that lead up to good sex. They'll spend more time browsing before settling in to read. I think they're also more discriminating with their votes because they judge writing quality over masturbatory experience. These are the people who are more likely to read longer stories, I think. They'll come back to cum, if they have to, for a well written story. They'll forgive amateur authors for doofy typos and such, but not too much. Grammar whores live here.

The tertiary reader is the serious writer. Sometimes it's about the sex, particularly if they like the writer they're reading. Mostly, Lit's about the writing for them. It's a small group of people, comparatively. They read stories and note the writing just as much as they do the sex. If it's not well written, they won't like it. They don't like stroke stories very much, but will occasionally read them. If they leave feedback, it's to comment on the writing itself, never about the sex or arousal. Well, unless they know the writer and feel a camaraderie with them.

The last group is the nutjobs. They read just to get offended or to find places to proseltyze. I spelled that wrong. They're not important because they're only on Lit to use writing for purposes other than enjoyment. Unless you count being offended or leading people to Jesus/Zoroaster/Flying Spaghetti Monster as enjoyment.

My writing tends to appeal to the secondary group. It's pretty good, if I do toot my own horn, but tends to drag a little before the sex gets there. And when it does, it's a bit tame. I never took it seriously enough to really appeal to Lit's full audience. Maybe that's not quite accurate.

When submitting a short story or poem for publication in a print magazine, a writer should read at least 6 back issues to get a feel for what kind of writing the editors and readers like so they can find out if their writing fits or not. And if it doesn't, can they tailor it a bit to make it fit. With Lit, the editor doesn't have to be pleased (other than a few flat policy points) but the reader does. You can't browse the archive and get a feel for what fits the publication because it's just so varied. So I never bothered to really think about who the reader is.

In the end, though, it's pretty simple. It's not where they're from, how old they are, how much money they make or all of the other usual demographics. It's what motivates them to be here and to vote/leave feedback. Tailoring stories to meet those needs is pretty simple at times, if someone's a good writer and has an interest in doing so. Not tailoring stories to those needs? I never did. And not meeting the needs of the reader in the first few paragraphs leads to a lot of back clicks. They don't have time to leave feedback to say I didn't hit their kink or the story dragged to long before I hit the sex part, sorry, but I'm shopping elsewhere. That's something I'm willing to take. I'm also willing to state that my success (mediocre) on Lit is of my own making, not someone else's. My scores reflect how well I meet the needs of Lit's primary readership.

I wanted to know what other people thought about Lit's readership because I wanted to see how well my opinions reflected others. I'm not an authority. I'm not the only person who has received feedback both positive and negative. I'd hoped to see what, if anything, others had come up.

I appreciate it. You folks have helped out. :)

I'm inclined to agee with you, and I aim my smut squarely at the first group. I have made this comparison before, but it bears repeating:

Assume I get two emails. One says:

Dear Mr. Boxlicker:
I am a Professor of Literature at Pecksniff University and I read your story, John Fucks Suzy. I must say, I was quite appalled at the poor quality of your writing. You had no plot to speak of and the characters seemed quite one-dimensional. It was just 5,000 words about the protaganists cavorting sexually, with no explanation of how they came to be attacted to one another and nothing about their motivation. I would never accept such simplistic work in my classes in Creative Writing at PU.

And the other says:

WOW! I read your storey about John and Suzy and it was HOTT! I (beet my meet/plaid with my clit) before I was hafway threw and cummed all over myself. I hope you rite a lot more like it.

Which of these feedbacks should I pay the most attention to? The second one, of course. Heor she is the kind of reader I am writing for. Once in a while, just for the exercise, I try to wite a story that will earn the plaudits of the first critic and others like him, but mostly I write smut for people to frig or wank to, or for couples to read while they are pleasuring each other. :cool:

As for the "average reader?" The readership is too diverse for such a designation to mean much.
 
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I'm not. There has to be an outlet for that fantasy somewhere, and apparently it is repressed by a lot of readers due to the taboo.
 
I'm not. There has to be an outlet for that fantasy somewhere, and apparently it is repressed by a lot of readers due to the taboo.

I found out incest was the most popular a while back. So I checked a couple out. :D It is fairly taboo isn't it? I think the average lit reader appreciates a degree of anonymity

You must never visit the "Story Ideas" forum.

That is true.
 
I found out incest was the most popular a while back. So I checked a couple out. :D It is fairly taboo isn't it? I think the average lit reader appreciates a degree of anonymity

But Incest has to be with a close family member. Cousins won't do.

Brother/Sister; Mother/Son; Father/Daughter hit the right buttons.

More distant relations hooking up don't really count as incest.

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It isn't just here, there are huge archives of incest stories on alt.sex.stories from the old BBS days.

My hypothesis is that incest fans really want a sense of intimacy in their sex stories - in incest, this is established without having to work at it, i.e., close family members are already always assumed to be socially intimate, I dunno if it would have the same effect if it were say, twins separated at birth.

It's why incest/incest fantasies happens in the first place, i.e., people you are in close, intimate daily contact with who happen to be the first thing you fixate on, it's a proximity thing.

The forbidden nature of the act, and the need to keep it a secret, etc., all add to the thrill, which is where anal comes in too.

All of these things can be done without an incest setup, but it takes more work and skill to do it in an economical manner; incest is a shortcut, and why I avoid it: it's too easy, you don't have to push yourself to establish an atmosphere of intimacy.
 
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