Why bother?

[Que]

He was replying to zumi, dipshit.

You didn't notice it because your head is too far up your own ass.

"query" is an odd abbreviation for 'IresumiKiss'



Originally Posted by query View Post
A better solution for you would be to check the dust-bins at car-wash vacuums for a quarter.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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The way this works is you post in a public forum and ANYONE can reply. If you want to keep the communication one-on-one they have handilly provided PM's for your use.

PS Congratulations on finding a second insult to hurl besides "moron". Interesting that it wasn't on the list of synonyms I helpfully provided you for study the other day.

 

[Que]

#sothatshowtheystop!

 

[doowdniw]

You think of alternatives. Have you thought about the long-term tax savings caused by installing the net?

Go ahead and tell us about that. It might change my opinion of the wisdom in the initial $76 million expenditure of tax dollars.

 

[doowdniw]

Those tall buildings are private property with security, locked doors and cameras.

Where there's a will, there's a way.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Go ahead and tell us about that. It might change my opinion of the wisdom in the initial $76 million expenditure of tax dollars.

If you had a friend or a relative who had closeted problems or issues and was of the disposition to do a swan dive in order to permanently clear their life's blackboard, is $76M worth enough to keep them around, or would their own dumb luck to not have good wiring in their brain to deal with life enough of a reason to separate their chaff from humanity's wheat so we can save some money to burn on the next two days' worth of government shutdown?

Appealing to your heartstrings, I know. But people tend to be selfish and not to give a fuck about anything until it happens to them directly...then it's like OH MAI GAH WHY DIDN'T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING WHEN WE HADDA CHANCE WE COULDA SAVED THEM THEY HAD SO MUCH PROMISE I LUVVED DEM SO MUCH BOO HOO HOO HOO... so...y'know...

 

[Que]

If you had a friend or a relative who had closeted problems or issues and was of the disposition to do a swan dive in order to permanently clear their life's blackboard, is $76M worth enough to keep them around, or would their own dumb luck to not have good wiring in their brain to deal with life enough of a reason to separate their chaff from humanity's wheat so we can save some money to burn on the next two days' worth of government shutdown?

Appealing to your heartstrings, I know. But people tend to be selfish and not to give a fuck about anything until it happens to them directly...then it's like OH MAI GAH WHY DIDN'T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING WHEN WE HADDA CHANCE WE COULDA SAVED THEM THEY HAD SO MUCH PROMISE I LUVVED DEM SO MUCH BOO HOO HOO HOO... so...y'know...

You have convinced me...lets make it 152million...that way we can have one set of nets to catch-em on their first attempt, then another set of nets if they STILL want to clear their blackboard after that. If it saves ONE jumper it has GOT to be better than say a million or two for some donated billboard space and some phone lines manned by volunteers.

Maybe 20 million if you can't find volunteers due to the high concentration of liberals in San Francisco.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Where there's a will, there's a way.

The buildings owner has a will to keep them out.

 

[ChinaBandit]

I highly recommend 'The Bridge'. They filmed a number of jumps/jumpers and it is quite entertaining! Some are protracted. My favorite? This one completely normal looking guy walks up to the rail, looks both ways, then climbs over and jumps without hesitation. It was as matter of fact as crossing the street.

 

[Que]

The buildings owner has a will to keep them out.

Was it a holographic will, or was it witnessed?

 

[Ishmael]

Last night this subject came up in discussion with my attorney buddy. In his opinion the path chosen by the city leaves them open to wrongful death legal actions in that by deploying the 'safety net' they have given the expectation of salvation. Just one successful plea is going to open the flood gates. And once deployed they can't save themselves by taking it down.

Ishmael

 

[colddiesel]

An Alternative

Would it be a deterrent or an attraction if the Authority concerned put down a large slap of concrete, painted a large target on it, and notices saying, "Please jump here. Smile for the camera on the way down and you will be guaranteed a 10 second spot on the evening news."

It'd save a bunch of rescue costs.

Jen could be invited to be the first to try the new facility. 'Bout time she set an example.

 

[doowdniw]

If you had a friend or a relative who had closeted problems or issues and was of the disposition to do a swan dive in order to permanently clear their life's blackboard, is $76M worth enough to keep them around, or would their own dumb luck to not have good wiring in their brain to deal with life enough of a reason to separate their chaff from humanity's wheat so we can save some money to burn on the next two days' worth of government shutdown?

Appealing to your heartstrings, I know. But people tend to be selfish and not to give a fuck about anything until it happens to them directly...then it's like OH MAI GAH WHY DIDN'T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING WHEN WE HADDA CHANCE WE COULDA SAVED THEM THEY HAD SO MUCH PROMISE I LUVVED DEM SO MUCH BOO HOO HOO HOO... so...y'know...

Had a close family member commit suicide just over two years ago...that was pretty direct. I still think it's a waste of money.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Had a close family member commit suicide just over two years ago...that was pretty direct. I still think it's a waste of money.

Well, I suppose some family members are worth more than others to some people.

Or, let's put it another way. If we're all going to die in the end anyway, why bother spending money to make anything safe or safer in the first place? Human beings are nothing but extremely expensive imperfect autonomous meat objects, essentially. Just let chance, social negatives, nature and the laws of physics take care of the mess.

 

[Que]

@Zumi...not to denigrate your pain, but if I gave YOU 76 million dollars and told you to do what you can to prevent suicides in SF, is that really where you would spend it?

Think of the counseling, maybe free or discount pysche meds, homeless shelters for the financial desperate, bereavement counselors for the families of those you couldn't get to?

I can tell you for sure we won't be installing nets the length of the grand canyon

I realize since it is man made it seems like man SHOULD be able to insure it doesn't 'contribute" in some way to the problem. If we are taking the approach of "hey lets save even one life.' close the bridge to pedestrian traffic...have shuttles available...maybe touristy ones that hug the rail for viewing...close a lane to all but slow moving tour busses...i dunno, but nets especially for that much money just seems like it will rob other more viable opportunities.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

@Zumi...not to denigrate your pain, but if I gave YOU 76 million dollars and told you to do what you can to prevent suicides in SF, is that really where you would spend it?

Think of the counseling, maybe free or discount pysche meds, homeless shelters for the financial desperate, bereavement counselors for the families of those you couldn't get to?

I can tell you for sure we won't be installing nets the length of the grand canyon

I realize since it is man made it seems like man SHOULD be able to insure it doesn't 'contribute" in some way to the problem. If we are taking the approach of "hey lets save even one life.' close the bridge to pedestrian traffic...have shuttles available...maybe touristy ones that hug the rail for viewing...close a lane to all but slow moving tour busses...i dunno, but nets especially for that much money just seems like it will rob other more viable opportunities.

Won't get into how the social services that actually give a damn about people's welfare that could prevent and counter possible suicides are routinely underfunded or cut by your team, but...

This is about suicides that happen because of the bridge. Because the bridge's current structure makes them possible.

Make the damn structure better. We're gonna have a lot of fucking human beings living on this planet in the next three generations. That means all our current mental bullshit is just going to get umpteen times worse unless we take progressive steps to improve how we live and the spaces we live in.

You know, evolve. Because the 1930's kinda passed by a while ago.

 

[Que]

Won't get into how the social services that actually give a damn about people's welfare that could prevent and counter possible suicides are routinely underfunded or cut by your team, but...

This is about suicides that happen because of the bridge. Because the bridge's current structure makes them possible.

Make the damn structure better. We're gonna have a lot of fucking human beings living on this planet in the next three generations. That means all our current mental bullshit is just going to get umpteen times worse unless we take progressive steps to improve how we live and the spaces we live in.

You know, evolve. Because the 1930's kinda passed by a while ago.

Well if you want to bubble-wrap the bridge using all 76 million dollars worth of bubble wrap, it is quite a symbol...

Probably does draw people from a long way away, even.

Even though fall off a single story house onto your head can easily be fatal, no one having suicidal idealizations is necessarily drawn to that.

Maybe with an obvious, dramatic statement like that denied due to some "fix" they think about it another day or two and get better.

I wonder if it does "inspire" suicides the way Seattle weather is said to contribute.

I dunno. and I should probably keep in mind that actually 76 million probably, sadly ISN'T "real money" anymore.

 

[Dream59]

We've been discussing that, assuming you're right, where would they go?

Another bridge, a building, drive their car into a retaining wall, slit their wrist, blow their brains out, by some drugs and od. The ways of killing yourself are endless and spending 76 million on this is a waste of money. As the other poster said this money would be better spent on a crisis line.

 

[colddiesel]

. As the other poster said this money would be better spent on a crisis line.

I don't think so. One of my sisters worked as a volunteer for Samaritans in the Scotland for 3 years. It was a crisis line people could ring if they felt suicidal.

After three years she worked it out that:-

1 The people who rang up only wanted to talk about suicide, not do it. The people who wanted to kill themselves got on with it.

2 The second purpose of the service was to give like minded cousellors an oppotunity to get together and feel good about themselves.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Another bridge, a building, drive their car into a retaining wall, slit their wrist, blow their brains out, by some drugs and od. The ways of killing yourself are endless and spending 76 million on this is a waste of money. As the other poster said this money would be better spent on a crisis line.

What other bridge?

Buildings have security & locked doors. They can't get to any point where they can jump off.

The other options would hurt.

We already have crisis lines.

 

[loveupskirt]

@Zumi...not to denigrate your pain, but if I gave YOU 76 million dollars and told you to do what you can to prevent suicides in SF, is that really where you would spend it?

Think of the counseling, maybe free or discount pysche meds, homeless shelters for the financial desperate, bereavement counselors for the families of those you couldn't get to?

I can tell you for sure we won't be installing nets the length of the grand canyon

I realize since it is man made it seems like man SHOULD be able to insure it doesn't 'contribute" in some way to the problem. If we are taking the approach of "hey lets save even one life.' close the bridge to pedestrian traffic...have shuttles available...maybe touristy ones that hug the rail for viewing...close a lane to all but slow moving tour busses...i dunno, but nets especially for that much money just seems like it will rob other more viable opportunities.

Careful now! We wouldn't want to inject any logic and common sense into this discussion!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Again this is a million dollars giving me 76 million dollars and telling me I can spend it on mental health care for people is like giving me monopoly money. It's politically unspendable.

 

[Ishmael]

What other bridge?

Buildings have security & locked doors. They can't get to any point where they can jump off.

The other options would hurt.

We already have crisis lines.

If they're so stupid they can't find an alternative then NOT installing the safety net should be considered a public service.

Ishmael

 

[doowdniw]

What other bridge?

Buildings have security & locked doors. They can't get to any point where they can jump off.

The other options would hurt.

We already have crisis lines.

So the bridge is the only viable option for a successful suicide in SF? I'm pretty sure having your hips driven up to your armpits probably hurts just a tad too. Probably hurts way more than a bullet to the brain or an OD on sleeping pills.

 

[Dream59]

What other bridge?

Buildings have security & locked doors. They can't get to any point where they can jump off.

The other options would hurt.

We already have crisis lines.

Then how the hell do so many commit suicide then? There is only 1 bridge in San Francisco? there are plenty of buildings that do not have security, 3 stories is all you really need. As for some of the others they happen so fast you do not know you are dead. Yes we have crisis lines but do you know how little money is spent on them and how little training they receive? With 76 million you could actually afford to have mental health professionals work there instead of volunteers.

 

[Dream59]

So the bridge is the only viable option for a successful suicide in SF? I'm pretty sure having your hips driven up to your armpits probably hurts just a tad too. Probably hurts way more than a bullet to the brain or an OD on sleeping pills.

People that die from a hotshot of heroin die so quickly they don't have time to remove the needle. If you are going to jump I guess you should dive head first to avoid the whole hip thing .