Why do you hate Sarah Palin?

[Netzach]

I'm sure it helps that you know "this person" - who is presumably reasonable and fair-minded in other respects.

If I seem pissed here, it's because I'm a play-fair kind of a guy who is fed up and disgusted beyond belief with Republicans who have no qualms about launching personal attacks and smears of the most outrageous kind, but then turn around and scream sexism, classism, elitism, whateverthefuckism, if someone dares to criticize their ticket.

Nah, it's just a community of crafters with a "be nice" enforced ethos, so I bit my tongue for a moment and reached across the aisles of my mind.

 

[RJMasters]

I really hate what politics do to people I would otherwise hold respect for. It makes them angry people and so fustrated that they are willing to become the very thing they themselves are disgusted with.

I think the real winners during a presidential election are those companies who make and sell high blood pressure medicine.

 

[JMohegan]

I really hate what politics do to people I would otherwise hold respect for. It makes them angry people and so fustrated that they are willing to become the very thing they themselves are disgusted with.

I think the real winners during a presidential election are those companies who make and sell high blood pressure medicine.

It's very hard for me to respect someone who ISN'T angry at this point. My god, RJ. Aren't *you* angry after what's been done to this country in the last 8 years?

The war and the debt and the assault on the Constitution. The lies.

How can this not make you angry?

Put another way, RJ - if THIS doesn't make you angry, then what on god's green earth would it take?

 

[jockdom]

It's very hard for me to respect someone who ISN'T angry at this point. My god, RJ. Aren't *you* angry after what's been done to this country in the last 8 years?

The war and the debt and the assault on the Constitution. The lies.

How can this not make you angry?

Put another way, RJ - if THIS doesn't make you angry, then what on god's green earth would it take?

I'm not even an american and it pisses me off!

 

[FurryFury]

I love pretty girls as long as they aren't also certain kinds of bitches (certain kinds can be sexy but others are just mean). I just hate incompetence.

 

[Netzach]

It's the new standard. The left is supposed to sit passively and Gandhi like in all situations and then get called out as pussies when we lose because we did just that. It's a complete no-win. You're a hypocrite for intolerance of intolerance. No, that's called *ethics* and having them. Those are the people who stood up to the bullying of the weak and the minority, not the soldiers going off to make new banana republics and the liars who sent them.

The double standard will remain in effect until we're a bankrupt religiously controlled lawless country. Like Afghanistan with a Megamall.

Happily some of us no longer give a shit what gets said about us.

 

[SweetErika]

I really hate what politics do to people I would otherwise hold respect for. It makes them angry people and so fustrated that they are willing to become the very thing they themselves are disgusted with.

I think the real winners during a presidential election are those companies who make and sell high blood pressure medicine.

McCain is a perfect example of this. I respected him for a long time. I truly believed and respected him when he said he respected and admired Senator Obama, "I will conduct a respectful campaign," and insisted his supporters should do the same.

What happened to that John McCain? The maverick who put integrity and honor before ambition and even decried the Swift Boat smear campaign against Kerry just four years ago? What turned him from an elder statesman who put the good of his country above politics into an angry, spiteful, old man who would do anything to win?

Was he just very good at hiding who he was, or did he actually morph into the very type of person he said he was disgusted with?

 

[RJMasters]

Put another way, RJ - if THIS doesn't make you angry, then what on god's green earth would it take?

You wouldn't like the answers. I'll see you after the election.

 

[RJMasters]

McCain is a perfect example of this. I respected him for a long time. I truly believed and respected him when he said he respected and admired Senator Obama, "I will conduct a respectful campaign," and insisted his supporters should do the same.

What happened to that John McCain? The maverick who put integrity and honor before ambition and even decried the Swift Boat smear campaign against Kerry just four years ago? What turned him from an elder statesman who put the good of his country above politics into an angry, spiteful, old man who would do anything to win?

Was he just very good at hiding who he was, or did he actually morph into the very type of person he said he was disgusted with?

Hmmm good question. Honestly it is one of the things that has really pissed me off about McCain and has been a point of disappointment for me.

Perhaps you weren't expecting such a straight and honest answer to the question.

What I do find a bit humorious though is after having the opportunity to see all your posts regarding McCain and Palin; for you to try to conjure up some credibility by framing your question with "you use to respect McCain" is about as transparent as it gets.

Keep trying though, soon you will master how its done, as a helpful hint, maybe the combination of wearing Obama Painted over your left tit in your AV and then trying to make an appeal based on sincereity are counter-productive.

 

[SweetErika]

Hmmm good question. Honestly it is one of the things that has really pissed me off about McCain and has been a point of disappointment for me.

Perhaps you weren't expecting such a straight and honest answer to the question.

What I do find a bit humorious though is after having the opportunity to see all your posts regarding McCain and Palin; for you to try to conjure up some credibility by framing your question with "you use to respect McCain" is about as transparent as it gets.

Keep trying though, soon you will master how its done, as a helpful hint, maybe the combination of wearing Obama Painted over your left tit in your AV and then trying to make an appeal based on sincereity are counter-productive.

So, my support for Obama and critical thinking automatically disqualify me from ever respecting McCain?

You're way off the mark, RJ. You have no idea how I felt about McCain until this election cycle. With all due respect, you're not a mindreader, and just because you declare something doesn't make it so.

Furthermore, I was not trying to "conjure up some credibility" by saying I used to respect McCain, or anything else; I WAS simply responding to your post with my thoughts. In fact, I was agreeing with your sentiment and giving a personal example (to the general audience; my post was NOT directed at you, specifically). And you even seem to share the views I expressed, at least in part.

So what's the problem? I honestly don't know why you've taken issue with something we seemingly agree on.

Because I'm not a mindreader either, I won't even venture a guess on how you might respond, but I will hope it's with the same respect and civility I've always shown you.

 

[midwestyankee]

Hmmm good question. Honestly it is one of the things that has really pissed me off about McCain and has been a point of disappointment for me.

Perhaps you weren't expecting such a straight and honest answer to the question.

What I do find a bit humorious though is after having the opportunity to see all your posts regarding McCain and Palin; for you to try to conjure up some credibility by framing your question with "you use to respect McCain" is about as transparent as it gets.

Keep trying though, soon you will master how its done, as a helpful hint, maybe the combination of wearing Obama Painted over your left tit in your AV and then trying to make an appeal based on sincereity are counter-productive.

The first I ever heard of John McCain was as a member of the Keating 5. I never bought the "maverick" bullshit nor his pretend role as the guardian of campaign finance reform. And if I put an Obama sticker on my left nipple it would be the ugliest av in Literotica history. I do have some pride so it's not going to happen. Besides, I like Erika's just fine.

That said, to suggest that critical thinking and formerly having held respect for McCain are mutually exclusive makes no sense whatsoever. You can do better than this, RJ.

 

[JMohegan]

You wouldn't like the answers. I'll see you after the election.

Like them or not, I'm a big boy and can handle constructive debate.

RJ, on the subject of shifting views re John McCain, I recall that you've been expressing anti-McCain sentiments since March, at least. Fair enough. But that doesn't mean that everyone else's views have been consistently negative.

For example, my conservative friends have shifted from this perspective in February to this perspective post-Palin.

Personally, I understand exactly what Erika means. On the subject of McCain's honor, here's me in January and me on the 1st of August.

 

[BeachGurl2]

No no, be fair. Carter trademarked that one.

I agree, however, I don't think she was listening back then. I think she's only recently started listening to anything political on the Federal level, and that was at the urging of her handlers. So she got it straight from George.

If I seem pissed here, it's because I'm a play-fair kind of a guy who is fed up and disgusted beyond belief with Republicans who have no qualms about launching personal attacks and smears of the most outrageous kind, but then turn around and scream sexism, classism, elitism, whateverthefuckism, if someone dares to criticize their ticket.

I think many of us are with you on that, JM. The hypocrisy is one thing that makes me very angry - and believe me, it takes a lot to piss me off. But I'm so far beyond pissed off at the amazing display of cover-your-ass politics the Republicans are guilty of right now. I'm also frightened for the direction our country is heading if the McCain/Palin ticket wins the election. And that makes me more pissed off.

And women? I think a lot of women are becoming increasingly disgusted with this candidate.

All of the women I talk with, even some die-hard Republican women, are disgusted with her behavior. And the common thread through all of the conversations is that she is doing more to hurt women than any other political candidate in any contest. Funny, with Hilary, people called her all kinds of negative things in regards to her looks and her aggressive personality. But she is one smart cookie and she gets the job done on her own merit. With Palin, it's all about the hockey mom, girl-next-door looks, and we're going to forget that she doesn't have the skill set to do the job. WTF?

What I do find a bit humorious though is after having the opportunity to see all your posts regarding McCain and Palin; for you to try to conjure up some credibility by framing your question with "you use to respect McCain" is about as transparent as it gets.

Keep trying though, soon you will master how its done, as a helpful hint, maybe the combination of wearing Obama Painted over your left tit in your AV and then trying to make an appeal based on sincereity are counter-productive.

RJ, this is really an unfair attack and your logic makes no sense. As has already been pointed out to you, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I've lived in McCain's state for 21 years and have seen him in action, including his part in the Keating 5 debacle. I've had times when I fully respected the man, and other times when his behavior turned my stomach. You can respect someone and still disagree with him. Unfortunately, McCain's behavior throughout this election has lost him every bit of respect I had for him.

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On a couple of side notes that really have little to do with the election itself, McCain is selling one of his houses here in the Valley. One of the local news channels did a walk-thru on camera. Amazingly elegant place. I never did hear the price tag for it. But within the piece, they mentioned his 13 cars in the garage and his other homes around the State. It got me to thinking about each of these candidates and just how it is that any political candidate can imagine the plight of Middle America. Unless s/he lived that way at one point.

A blurg regarding this comes from a UK newspaper, The Sun. I don't know how reputable it is.

REPUBLICAN presidential candidate John McCain yesterday admitted he did not know how many houses he and his wife Cindy own.
They are believed to have at least four, but other estimates put it at seven.

McCain told reporters his staff would check it out.

The admission came days after he was asked to define ‘rich’ and said: “If you’re just talking about income, how about $5million?”

Democratic candidate Barack Obama told voters in Virginia: “If you think being rich means you’ve got to make $5million (£2.5million) and if you don’t know how many houses you have, it’s not surprising you might think the economy is fundamentally strong.”

Cindy McCain is said to have a £50million fortune due to her late father’s beer distribution firm. ​

 

[Netzach]

On a couple of side notes that really have little to do with the election itself, McCain is selling one of his houses here in the Valley. One of the local news channels did a walk-thru on camera. Amazingly elegant place. I never did hear the price tag for it. But within the piece, they mentioned his 13 cars in the garage and his other homes around the State. It got me to thinking about each of these candidates and just how it is that any political candidate can imagine the plight of Middle America. Unless s/he lived that way at one point.

A blurg regarding this comes from a UK newspaper, The Sun. I don't know how reputable it is.

REPUBLICAN presidential candidate John McCain yesterday admitted he did not know how many houses he and his wife Cindy own.
They are believed to have at least four, but other estimates put it at seven.

McCain told reporters his staff would check it out.

The admission came days after he was asked to define ‘rich’ and said: “If you’re just talking about income, how about $5million?”

Democratic candidate Barack Obama told voters in Virginia: “If you think being rich means you’ve got to make $5million (£2.5million) and if you don’t know how many houses you have, it’s not surprising you might think the economy is fundamentally strong.”

Cindy McCain is said to have a £50million fortune due to her late father’s beer distribution firm. ​

When people ask and ask "why Palin?" THAT is the answer to that question, as much as bringin' her innie. McCain is even worse at relating to the average schmuck than Joe Biden, one of the few people hermetically sealed on the hill even longer.

I know he served, but it's been a while and decimating the GI BILL and Veteran's benefits isn't going to be swept under a flag pin, a lot of vets aren't thrilled with that mere fact alone, it's not enough by itself. He is awkward, grouchy, negative, hard to embrace, and in that regard he does need a Palin. He does need something touchable huggable warm and cute - but Mom has to provide substance and answers, a plastic dollie isn't going to cut it.

It's a shame that McCain got tossed under the bus. This *kind* of ticket in 2000 would have shone and he could have been more himself, his genuine self, I still believe. The necessity for the dialogue to be like this wasn't planted in the heads of the policy setters. The whole world was different. I don't think we'd be fighting the same war, had that happened. McCain when he SHOULD have been run would have been a better direction for the country. McCain/Palin here and now, is a world apart.

 

[CutieMouse]

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On a couple of side notes that really have little to do with the election itself, McCain is selling one of his houses here in the Valley. One of the local news channels did a walk-thru on camera. Amazingly elegant place. I never did hear the price tag for it. But within the piece, they mentioned his 13 cars in the garage and his other homes around the State. It got me to thinking about each of these candidates and just how it is that any political candidate can imagine the plight of Middle America. Unless s/he lived that way at one point.

A blurg regarding this comes from a UK newspaper, The Sun. I don't know how reputable it is.

REPUBLICAN presidential candidate John McCain yesterday admitted he did not know how many houses he and his wife Cindy own.
They are believed to have at least four, but other estimates put it at seven.

McCain told reporters his staff would check it out.

The admission came days after he was asked to define ‘rich’ and said: “If you’re just talking about income, how about $5million?”

Democratic candidate Barack Obama told voters in Virginia: “If you think being rich means you’ve got to make $5million (£2.5million) and if you don’t know how many houses you have, it’s not surprising you might think the economy is fundamentally strong.”

Cindy McCain is said to have a £50million fortune due to her late father’s beer distribution firm. ​

The blurb - yes, a while back McCain was asked how many houses/cars/whatever he owned, and couldn't respond with a firm number, on the spot. Yes his wife is ungodly wealthy. On the other side of the political coin, in 2006, the Obama's made $983,826.000.

I don't think either one of them (McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden) have walked the path of a "typical" American's finances in quite a while. The days when Mr. Smith went to Washington died decades ago - IMO neither of them could possibly grasp my personal budget; I don't consider it [their wealth] a determining factor in who I'll vote for, really.

 

[Netzach]

The blurb - yes, a while back McCain was asked how many houses/cars/whatever he owned, and couldn't respond with a firm number, on the spot. Yes his wife is ungodly wealthy. On the other side of the political coin, in 2006, the Obama's made $983,826.000.

I don't think either one of them (McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden) have walked the path of a "typical" American's finances in quite a while. The days when Mr. Smith went to Washington died decades ago - IMO neither of them could possibly grasp my personal budget; I don't consider it [their wealth] a determining factor in who I'll vote for, really.

I think that's generally not the worst way to go.

FDR was from Cindy McCain kind of territory, financially.
Some people have strong empathy and character in addition to gobs of dough.

It's not the cash that makes McCain bad at the leap, and Obama's not great at it either. It's a personality trait that eons on the hill reinforces - the hill is a culture and a city outside all cities. The cash just reinforces it too.

Regan he's not.

(H lives in DC/MD, and is native, his stories are pretty awesome about it)

 

[BeachGurl2]

It's not the cash that makes McCain bad at the leap, and Obama's not great at it either. It's a personality trait that eons on the hill reinforces - the hill is a culture and a city outside all cities. The cash just reinforces it too.

Exactly. What I found interesting about it wasn't the amount of wealth, you can't get into politics without the personal wealth to back you up, it was that someone is so wealthy - or just plain out of touch with reality - to the point that he doesn't even know how many houses he owns.

 

[Netzach]

Exactly. What I found interesting about it wasn't the amount of wealth, you can't get into politics without the personal wealth to back you up, it was that someone is so wealthy - or just plain out of touch with reality - to the point that he doesn't even know how many houses he owns.

Eh, but that's the thing. Regan could have spun a graceful and self-deprecating joke out of that moment. I'm talking about far shallower things here. I may not be able to stand Regan but I admire the gamesmanship and art.

If Ron was Teflon, these guys are highly flammable wooden spine armor.

 

[bambikiller]

So here you guys are at it again bashing the the republican ticket.

1) 5 million dollars makes you rich.
It was the 3rd time in the interview that he was asked the question "define rich" and he said it as a joke and then he added it would probably be used agenst him, McCain was right.

2) Yeah his wife is loaded and he didn't know how maney houses they owned.
When you got that much cash and he is not the one watching the money why should he know. How many are investment properties. Ask Paris Hilton how many hotels her daddy owns? She for Obama.

3) I love how I hear the democrates scream when it's brought that Obama has a working relationship to an addmitted terrorest and how his campaign tried to keep quite his poor job of addministating of one hundred million dollars.
Yet his campain all go marching up to Alaska to dig up as much dirt as possible on Palin.

So give me a break.

How can I start an Obama is going to be bad for the country thread ?

 

[Netzach]

So here you guys are at it again bashing the the republican ticket.

1) 5 million dollars makes you rich.
It was the 3rd time in the interview that he was asked the question "define rich" and he said it as a joke and then he added it would probably be used agenst him, McCain was right.

2) Yeah his wife is loaded and he didn't know how maney houses they owned.
When you got that much cash and he is not the one watching the money why should he know. How many are investment properties. Ask Paris Hilton how many hotels her daddy owns? She for Obama.

3) I love how I hear the democrates scream when it's brought that Obama has a working relationship to an addmitted terrorest and how his campaign tried to keep quite his poor job of addministating of one hundred million dollars.
Yet his campain all go marching up to Alaska to dig up as much dirt as possible on Palin.

So give me a break.

How can I start an Obama is going to be bad for the country thread ?

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman

Friends in interesting places.

That's not bashing. That's shitting one's pants for good reason. Keep grabbing those straws though. Partying down with Ann Hathaway's ex boyfriend is just the start.

Keating 5. Anyone remember junk bonds, junk mortgages are just retro.

 

[CutieMouse]

So here you guys are at it again bashing the the republican ticket.

1) 5 million dollars makes you rich.
It was the 3rd time in the interview that he was asked the question "define rich" and he said it as a joke and then he added it would probably be used agenst him, McCain was right.

2) Yeah his wife is loaded and he didn't know how maney houses they owned.
When you got that much cash and he is not the one watching the money why should he know. How many are investment properties. Ask Paris Hilton how many hotels her daddy owns? She for Obama.

3) I love how I hear the democrates scream when it's brought that Obama has a working relationship to an addmitted terrorest and how his campaign tried to keep quite his poor job of addministating of one hundred million dollars.
Yet his campain all go marching up to Alaska to dig up as much dirt as possible on Palin.

So give me a break.

How can I start an Obama is going to be bad for the country thread ?

Dude. Chill.

I am not bashing the Republican ticket or the financially successful (which Obama qualifies as, as well); neither is Netz or Beach. We're simply having a bit of fiscal-gap chat, that's all. I had a similar conversation the other day with a friend who just spent more on a brake job than I make in a year. He doesn't understand the gap [from my perspective], either. LOL

 

[WriterDom]

Join Team Sarah!

 

[Netzach]

OMG, I can like, friend her?

 

[BeachGurl2]

So here you guys are at it again bashing the the republican ticket.

1) 5 million dollars makes you rich.
It was the 3rd time in the interview that he was asked the question "define rich" and he said it as a joke and then he added it would probably be used agenst him, McCain was right.

2) Yeah his wife is loaded and he didn't know how maney houses they owned.
When you got that much cash and he is not the one watching the money why should he know. How many are investment properties. Ask Paris Hilton how many hotels her daddy owns? She for Obama.

3) I love how I hear the democrates scream when it's brought that Obama has a working relationship to an addmitted terrorest and how his campaign tried to keep quite his poor job of addministating of one hundred million dollars.
Yet his campain all go marching up to Alaska to dig up as much dirt as possible on Palin.

So give me a break.

How can I start an Obama is going to be bad for the country thread ?

The intent was not to bash the Republican ticket. I found it interesting that the man didn't know how many houses he owns. Relax.

As far as starting an Obama thread, just click the button that says "New Thread".

Dude. Chill.

I am not bashing the Republican ticket or the financially successful (which Obama qualifies as, as well); neither is Netz or Beach. We're simply having a bit of fiscal-gap chat, that's all. I had a similar conversation the other day with a friend who just spent more on a brake job than I make in a year. He doesn't understand the gap [from my perspective], either. LOL

This was exactly my point. Thanks, Cutie. The comment about not knowing how many houses he owned just struck a chord in me about that gap. As a single mom, I make damn good money. In fact, I make what a lot of married couples do together in this economy. But it's still on the low end of what I consider to be the middle income bracket. And I'm barely making it. Yeah, the economy concerns me greatly. So the comment struck a chord.

 

[Netzach]

Any discussion of meme is "bashing." Don't you ladies know that?

We're supposed to friend Sarah and make a pink page or something and I'm supposed to be all "go blue" and CM is supposed to be all "go red bitch" and then we're supposed to fight and pull each other's boobs.