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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Well...if you say so. Your partner in crime seemed to think the endorsement of Dobson was pretty key. If these folks are self-nullifying, why would it be?

Two signature issues for fundamentalists are right to life and gay rights. Those things don't seem like minor modifications to the Democratic platform.

I understand your point, but I think several people here are getting confused, thinking that a "true conservative" would be so popular they would be guaranteed a victory in November just like Dutch, or at least would lose in a way that is right and just and good. Whereas we've just seen that conservatives come in different sizes and shapes, appeal to different parts of the electorate, and don't even have a free pass to victory in a Republican primary.

Would you have them sit in the back of the bus, keep their mouths shut and just vote Republican the way the Democrats expect African-America to do? Or should they do something about what they believe in? Which 'tis noble in the mind...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

I'm thoroughly enjoying the tantrums being thrown by the "real conservatives" ™, especially the "Not Republicans" here on Lit.

Dream of a third party or independent candidate in Ron Paul or Huckabee that will only splinter the votes of conservatives and ensure that none of them actually get elected.

The only real hope of a Republican winning the White House this election or in the foreseeable future is for the entire GOP to come together and back a moderate candidate. Luckily enough of the fringe element of the GOP, who successfully hijacked the party over the past decade, has finally been seen for what it is by the majority of Conservative voters. There's been a substantial rush to the middle by the Republican party as a whole, something the fringe cannot stand.

We're seeing evidence of this here on Lit, in Coulter and Limbaugh's (as well as other "Real Conservative" ™ media personalities) tantrums.

The fact that McCain is winning the Republican primaries by landslide margins speaks volumes as to exactly how far out there the "Real Conservatives" ™ are after having their chance at running things.

 

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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

What do you attribute your lack of credibility to?

I'll vouch that it's not lack of trying...

 

[firespin]

Would you have them sit in the back of the bus, keep their mouths shut and just vote Republican the way the Democrats expect African-America to do? Or should they do something about what they believe in? Which 'tis noble in the mind...

One of those courses of action is in their self interest.

 

[Ishmael]

Well...if you say so. Your partner in crime seemed to think the endorsement of Dobson was pretty key. If these folks are self-nullifying, why would it be?

Two signature issues for fundamentalists are right to life and gay rights. Those things don't seem like minor modifications to the Democratic platform.

I understand your point, but I think several people here are getting confused, thinking that a "true conservative" would be so popular they would be guaranteed a victory in November just like Dutch, or at least would lose in a way that is right and just and good. Whereas we've just seen that conservatives come in different sizes and shapes, appeal to different parts of the electorate, and don't even have a free pass to victory in a Republican primary.

Again, the press has manufactured quite a bit of what is taken on 'faith.'

Regarding 'right to life.' If a national referendum were to be held today on abortion, 70% of the electorate would vote in favor of abortion on demand in the first trimester. Those numbers haven't changed in the past 15 years. That 70% would include a great many fundamentalists. The abortion issue is more like a voodoo doll that the democrats trot out every election and shake it in the face of their supporters to get them to the polls. Like anything else that's over used, it losses it's impact after a while. It also is becoming apparent that the electorate is coming to the conclussion that abortion just isn't one of those issues upon which the fate of the Republic rests.

Re. Gay Rights. Beleive it or not, one of the largest fundamentalist sub-groups in this nation are the black church goers. They are overwhelmingly against gay rights. All one has to to is to look at the exit polls for those states that put 'marriage' on the ballot for referendum. But when it comes time to vote for a president, they vote 90% democrat.

Because of the state referendums, and the massive vote in favor of marriage being between a man and a woman (Even in Oregon the pro-gay marriage folks could only manage to get 33% of the vote), it's no longer a national issue. Voters feel quite comfortable with being able to take care of that issue on the state level.

Point being that neither are significant national issues anymore. It dilutes the zeal of the fundamentalist.

Regarding the 'True conservative' remark. No one that's a true conservative has been able to articulate the message since 1988. At least not in a presidential campaign.

Ishmael

 

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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Republicans have gained absolutely nothing by "reaching across the isle", they have compromised their own principles however to accept those of their opponents.

Now you're a bad guy too...

 

[RobDownSouth]

What do you attribute your lack of credibility to?

Good morning, troll-boi! Up early to get your underachieving kids off to school?

 

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[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Yeah well, let them make the most of it.

We'll see what kind of Center-Fielders the Democrats really are...



"Look at me, I can be, center field..."

 

[firespin]

Hmm. Interesting how signature fundamentalist issues like gay rights and abortion go away by citing polls of the electorate at large, or the voting pattens of blacks. I think if you polled fundamentalists of all shames, sizes, and colors, more than 90% would be pro-life and opposed to gay marriage.

But if these are no longer issues for fundamentalists or conservatives or what have you, what things define conservatives in 2008?

Let me guess...campaign financing, immigration and ummm must be something else McCain did...lack of compromise?

I think the point comes down to what the Cap'n said...there's an expectation that there's only one true way to behave if you're on one side of the aisle, and to deviate is to become untrustworthy, a traitor to the cause...Clinton experienced this when he ended welfare and pushed through NAFTA, and look what happened to him since. He's become the Democratic Dutch. If he died, he'd be canonized.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

The Republicans did it to themselves with that "I want to spend like a Democrat" show. Wait until main casting puts in the Democrat varsity and you'll see some real spending and taxing.

I'd rather see "tax and spend" than the "borrow and spend" thats been going on for the past 7 years.

If I ran my personal finances the way the republicans have ran this country's I'd be in jail for bank fraud.. Oddly enough, quite a few of them should be too.

 

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[Purple Haze]

And those "real" conservatives have only themselves to blame. Six years, they had. Six years of control over Washington. They had a rubber-stamp congress and a no-veto president. They did anything they wanted to do, and they fucked up. Big time.

Oh yes, I remember Rush and Coulter praising Bush and defending his policies. They raised him up while ignoring that Bush time and again did things a real conservative should abhor. But it never was about conservatism. It was about power and arrogance and blind, stupid stubborness.

So conservatives had their day. They had the chance to build their dream, but it turned out that the party of values didn't have any special abundance of values after all. And suddenly big government was okay, as long as THEY were the ones laying out the rules. So - surprise, surprise - people are pissed, and those "real" conservatives have a shitload of explaining to do. They did it to themselves, so for next couple of election cycles they're going to be sitting back in their lonely corner, still wondering how it went so horribly wrong.

The Republican party, meanwhile, is scrabbling to get back to the middle as fast as possible, and understandably so. Being way off to the right is no longer a politically safe ground.

Well said, they couldn't have had a better scenario to work with. All they really did was make the homos travel to different states...

 

[Purple Haze]

http://www.officialbushcountdown.com/?gclid=CKLCxvTntJECFQd7IgodYwGHOA

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

What can I say, they watched the Democrats get away with it for almost 50 years and fell victim to the temptation, now they are paying the same price the Democrats paid when the voters caught up with them. I'd rather the government got a lot smaller myself.

Oh please, now you're starting to sound like Le Jackass with the "But they did it first!" excuse.

Citing the sins of others does not make yours any more acceptable or any less wrong, it only makes you look like a hypocritical fool. Le Jackass demonstrates this on a daily basis.

 

[DevilishTexan]

Coulter said she would campaign for Hillary. I would pay good money to see that.

The sky IS falling.

 

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

Thank you so much for your knee jerk partisanship and asinine cognition.

So in your world, when it comes to the Democrats one cannot recall their shortcomings and history, but we can rail all we want about Republican shortcomings and history; and when one does recall democrat foibles in order to establish an historical perspective against todays events, you accuse them of hypocrisy and condemn them with comparisons to a racist troll. This unique analysis seems to be quite typical of you UD and I don't need to fortify it with another members name.

One good partisan jab deserves another yes?

Rather than take the brunt of the "conservative's" utter lack of fiscal conservativism you tried to pass on blame to the opposing party, as if their past behavior is somehow to blame for the "party of fiscal responsibility's" complete failure over the past 7 years to reign in the spending habits of a less than conservative president. They had control of Congress and the Presidency and racked up record breaking deficits, every single year bigger than the last.

Your finger pointing at the Democratic party for a deficiency in the GOP's control of the purse strings over the past 7 years is comparable to Le Jackass' excuses for his ethnic tirades, and just as justifiable. Deflect and deny when you can't defend eh?

"But Mom!! They did it first!!"

 

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[sigh]

I'd rather have an enemy I know than an ally I cannot trust

This makes sense. And abstaining to vote can be a powerful weapon. But it's an act of desperation. You lost. You're throwing in the towel to wait for better weather, because you know better weather will come. It always does.

And you know what the other side will do when you get your chance again? Yep, they'll get all smug and sit back and wait for you to fuck up again.

Continue to the end of time.

How depressing is that?



I reserve the right to retain a shred of youthful optimism (I say with a sigh).