Will US citizens

[nowisthetime]

He hasn't...YOU are ascribing a different position to him...his position is consistent...

IF Hondurans should come here, Chicagoan should go to Canada. He isn't saying Hondurans SHOULD come here or that we SHOULD give them asylum...

He is pointing out..(as did I) the inconsistencies of your unstated by clearly ascertainable position.

I don't know where you got this schtick about "asking questions" which lend themselves to easy interpretation of your position and not having to actually defend your not-stated position- but it is tiresome.

But why would they need to move to Canada when there are other options available here in the U.S.? They can simply move to a less crime ridden section of the city.

Again, two different scenarios.


The entire country of Honduras is filled with corruption and dire poverty, as with other parts of Central America. So the next option is for the Honduran to move to the States where there is more opportunities for advancement.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

But why would they need to move to Canada when there are other options available here in the U.S.? They can simply move to a less crime ridden section of the city.

Again, two different scenarios.


The entire country of Honduras is filled with corruption and dire poverty, as with other parts of Central America. So the next option is for the Honduran to move to the States where there is more opportunities for advancement.

more welfare derp, how sad

 

[Que]

But why would they need to move to Canada when there are other options available here in the U.S.? They can simply move to a less crime ridden section of the city.

Again, two different scenarios.


The entire country of Honduras is filled with corruption and dire poverty, as with other parts of Central America. So the next option is for the Honduran to move to the States where there is more opportunities for advancement.

If Canada had our policies, the refugees from Chicago would be met at the border...transported to the city of their choice, possibly given some 'emergency cash' given priority for housing, given a bilingual speaking social worker to help them get housing assistance, get their kids into school, a snap card.

Imagine though that those benefits for not working in Canada were 10x the amount they could make working in Chicago.

We are a rich and generous country. We can afford (and perhaps morally should) help the less fortunate. Why Hondurans? Why not Somalis?

Remember the "boat people?" We absorbed a lot of them.

We need to be saving room for Iraqis and Afganis that helped us the last 10 years and will be raped, tortured and beheaded soon.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If Canada had our imaginary policy. . .don't ever change.

As for Somalis, yes we should be helping them but we won't and they can't make us. And the Iraqis. . .well yeah we did fuck that up pretty righteously.

 

[Skiddles2014]

If Canada had our imaginary policy. . .don't ever change.

As for Somalis, yes we should be helping them but we won't and they can't make us. And the Iraqis. . .well yeah we did fuck that up pretty righteously.

I believe we only let a certain amount of people in each year

 

[nowisthetime]

If Canada had our policies, the refugees from Chicago would be met at the border...transported to the city of their choice, possibly given some 'emergency cash' given priority for housing, given a bilingual speaking social worker to help them get housing assistance, get their kids into school, a snap card.

Imagine though that those benefits for not working in Canada were 10x the amount they could make working in Chicago.

We are a rich and generous country. We can afford (and perhaps morally should) help the less fortunate. Why Hondurans? Why not Somalis?

Remember the "boat people?" We absorbed a lot of them.

We need to be saving room for Iraqis and Afganis that helped us the last 10 years and will be raped, tortured and beheaded soon.

America allows for Somali refugees. Of course it's geographically easier for central americans to cross to the States.

 

[Que]

America allows for Somali refugees. Of course it's geographically easier for central americans to cross to the States.

So, why not make any empty seats available on military transports?

There are a lot of afghani translators and their families that are going to have a very hard time soon.

We use resources to transport Central Americans to their families anywhere in the US.

Why is it we can't pluck Cubans out of the water and transport them to shore?

I'm just saying our compassion is selective.

SEAL the border, prepare for refugees, bring them in as we can accommodate them.

Encouraging a stampede to the border in the middle of the summer no better than shouting fire in a crowded theater.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Our compassion is selective. Generally it has a lot to do with your skin color when logic dictates it should have a lot to do with where you are. South and Central America should come first, followed by either Europe or Eastern Asia (depending on our mood) and ending with Africa.

 

[Liar]

Didn't I destroy this pathetic fallacy the other day?

By golly, I did.

 

[Que]

Our compassion is selective. Generally it has a lot to do with your skin color when logic dictates it should have a lot to do with where you are. South and Central America should come first, followed by either Europe or Eastern Asia (depending on our mood) and ending with Africa.

Our compassion can be boundless. Our capacity, most assuredly, is not.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Our compassion can be boundless. Our capacity, most assuredly, is not.

Our capacity is truely awesome, our compassion is much more limited than our capacity in reality.

 

[Que]

Our capacity is truely awesome, our compassion is much more limited than our capacity in reality.

Oh sure that's why one in six Americans cannot find work.

Lets double, or even triple the number of people with zero skills and zero education. what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Liar]

Oh sure that's why one in six Americans cannot find work.

Lets double, or even triple the number of people with zero skills and zero education. what could possibly go wrong?

That's some fine ethocentricity there, Lou.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh sure that's why one in six Americans cannot find work.

Lets double, or even triple the number of people with zero skills and zero education. what could possibly go wrong?

One in six American cannot find work because through automation human labor is pretty goddamn redundant. It's not a lack of things to give away, it's a lack of a quality dispersal method.

Not that we would realistically be talking about doubling or tripling the number of people with zero skills and zero education. But the same thing that's going now would happen. The rich would refuse to employ us.

 

[Que]

One in six American cannot find work because through automation human labor is pretty goddamn redundant. It's not a lack of things to give away, it's a lack of a quality dispersal method.

Not that we would realistically be talking about doubling or tripling the number of people with zero skills and zero education. But the same thing that's going now would happen. The rich would refuse to employ us.

But still you maintain we have unlimited capacity to absorb unskilled labor?

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's some fine ethocentricity there, Lou.

Meh, I doubt many of them are doctors and honestly if you aren't college and pretty good college at that the rest of it may as well be the same at this particular juncture.

Though I've long suspected that whole "illiterate in their own language" thing was pure bullshit.

But still you maintain we have unlimited capacity to absorb unskilled labor?

We don't need labor. We need to come up with a smarter distribution system. When you have empty homes and homeless people, throw away tones of food and have hungry people and spend hundreds of billions on your military but can't be bothered improving the lives of your citizens you have to be honest. The problem isn't too little stuff. It's too little to do and not knowing how to distribute wealth properly.

Also I never claimed unlimited capacity. There is an upper limit to what the country and even the planet can absorb but that's not what's realitically being discussed here.

 

[Que]

Shall we start over so you try again?

Our compassion can be boundless. Our capacity, most assuredly, is not.

 

[Liar]

oh, are you also 80 miles from the border?

I'm 6 miles from a border. Why?

Hard workers, they learn quick...but they don't come here if they have any skills already. They learn on the job.

You don't know what a regufee is, do you?

If construction picks up...2-3000 of them will find work.

Just because you're unable or unwilling to utlilize it, it doesn't mean someone hasn't got skills.

 

[Que]

So not worth it.

 

[Liar]

You're welcome.

 

[miles]

Our compassion can be boundless. Our capacity, most assuredly, is not.

Post of the week.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You guys are obsessed with Chicago. Gee, I wonder why?

Hillary and Barack's nest...



Alinskyland

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Our compassion can be boundless. Our capacity, most assuredly, is not.

Not to Liberals.



The only thing holding them back is everyone else's selfishness and greed.

White people's greed leaves the world in need!

Barry sez:

I was in the Wright church!
But it musta been the wrong pew...

 

[Ishmael]

If Canada had our policies, the refugees from Chicago would be met at the border...transported to the city of their choice, possibly given some 'emergency cash' given priority for housing, given a bilingual speaking social worker to help them get housing assistance, get their kids into school, a snap card.

Imagine though that those benefits for not working in Canada were 10x the amount they could make working in Chicago.

We are a rich and generous country. We can afford (and perhaps morally should) help the less fortunate. Why Hondurans? Why not Somalis?

Remember the "boat people?" We absorbed a lot of them.

We need to be saving room for Iraqis and Afganis that helped us the last 10 years and will be raped, tortured and beheaded soon.

Yes we should. As individuals and/or non-profit organizations. The government is the poorest way to help anyone in any way other than as short term disaster relief. Government is NOT charity, it is power.

Ishmael

 

[CandiCame]

It's so painful to watch Americans talk about immigration.