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When I was at college we all knew the easiest place to find a fuck was the dance class run by one of the local churches.
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He created all things
Even orgasms
He knows how good it feels
So we praise him and call his name during sex
Worship him in all things
Is that wrong?
Even orgasms
He knows how good it feels
So we praise him and call his name during sex
Worship him in all things
Is that wrong?
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I do this all the time. Practice gratitude for this gift. Practice gratitude as I think about your ass clenching and those sounds... Feeling grateful as those gobs of cum pulse down my urethra and out onto your gorgeous ass crack...
I agree. I believe he designed our bodies and our minds to work the way they do partially because he wanted us to enjoy the pleasure our bodies can give us. I believe that as long as I'm obeying his commandments (don't commit adultery, etc.) he not only doesn't mind me enjoying masturbation and arousing stories, but he is actually pleased that I'm enjoying these things.
What part of Utah?
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First, I'm a Preacher's kid, not the rebellious kind, the believing kind. Strike One. Also, known only by my parents, Mom was raised in a very sexually abusive home(her Dad raped Mom regularly, when drunk, in front of the kids) and was very uncomfortable with ANY displays or talk of sexuality. So my brother and I got NO education on relationships and sex from parents. Strike Two. My Christian morals, my lack of parental support, what society, especially entertainment suggested, The lame school classes( and my Mom went to my school and signed a waiver removing me from any sex ed or relationship classes) Vast amounts of misinformation from friends, and then the signals of my own body.. I was a fucking disaster of repression and confusion. So was my older brother. When I finally got the whole story from Dad I was able to piece together the family issues, and work on myself. But there was still something very wrong with Church morality. Investigated a little and found 2 tremendous sources. Online .EDU sites with much more accurate translation of source language for the Bible. And Young's Literal translation and its Concordance. My brother is Phd in History, ex wife MA History( I wrote most of her papers though LOL). We are getting a raw deal. English has too few words, nuanced words in Aramaic or Greek with subtle means would require a phrase in English to accurately translate, so they just simplify it. And you lose meaning.
"It is better to spill your seed into the belly of a whore than to spill it upon the ground" has made puberty for Christian boys a nightmare of guilt. Prostitution is a sin so obviously masturbation is too. Or so we are told. But prostitution was not a sin, it was "unclean" but not a sin and not illegal in the laws. In fact unmarried men were permitted to use a prostitutes services. What was a sin? A bride to be could be stoned to death if found to not be a virgin. Put it all together and what you get is the simplest and most obvious. "It is BETTER to spill your seed into the belly of a whore MEANS BETTER. The verse is literally true as written. Why ? Because when young men masturbate, well they think about girls. They fantasize. They LUST. And sometimes they then seduce the young woman, even their own betrothed. Hebrew teen boys were encouraged to go to prostitutes to keep them "satisfied" and away from the unmarried girls. So much for masturbation guilt. Oh, another easy one? Christ rescued the Prostitute from stoning by talking about casting the first stone. But she wasn't being executed for prostitution, but for adultery. But that meant she was MARRIED, and yet working as a prostitute. So weren't ALL married prostitute adulterers? No, this woman was doing it without her husband's consent. Uh.. then that means, adultery is having sex outside your marriage WITHOUT CONSENT! So sex outside marriage is OK as long as it is CONSENSUAL! Which of course would have to be since Abraham had sex with Sarah's handmaiden at Sarah's insistence and Abraham didn't get in trouble with God for that, just for failing to trust that Sarah would bear a child.
We are afflicted today by the Puritisim of the 1600s that still permeates all the denominations of Christianity as they pick and chose what things it denomination WANTS to believe in. Supported by false information based on crappy translations. NO knowledge of the actual society at the time that part of the Bible was written. And DELIBERATE misinformation on Bible text created to support extreme moralism that was not actually Biblical. I can't believe how much shit we heard in church as teen boys about masturbation while David had 700 wives, 600 concubines, and had transferred a general to the front lines to be killed because David wanted that man's wife.
Like all of our human vices, sexuality is only sin when you take it to a level that injures others, injures or defiles yourself or becomes your "GOD". I am most certainly guilty of the last these days. 66 years old and divorced 10 years in which my entire energy has been as a single Dad. Kids are all out of school and I desperately don't want the LAST time I had sex, 10 years ago with the ex wife, and the night I knew we were done, to be my "memory" to last the rest of my life. So I am more than a little fixated on getting laid, no matter how disreputably, just so my "last" time wasn't with my damn Ex. LOL.
Oh, and Yeah. When I turned 30 I started hanging out with my Dad, he filled me in on the family history and apollogized sorrowfully for NOT going behind Mom's back and working with us. He knew both sons had severe relationship disorders, but until I started TALKING he hadn't realized just HOW isolated from education we were. He could have really helped if he started when I was 16. I mean the guy isn't just a Baptist Minister, he is Ca licensed counselor, teacher, school administrator, biofeedback and hypnosis based therapy, and licensed massusse( his 10 member class for massage license was one Baptist Minister and 9 prostitutes) the girls freaked when the instructor first said "Reverend D", they had been chatting NAUGHTY sex for the 15 minutes before 1st class started in front of him. Then the roll was called. My Dad was a sick flirt, I know he loved it. He said he told the girls about Jesus's actual closest disciples, the women, and that some were prostitutes. So if prostitutes were Jesus's pick for best companions, he was thrilled to be in a class with 9 more and not offended by their sex talk anyway. I know he wasn't, he lived right, but he was a student of people and the changing culture. And a perve. When I realized Dad wasn't going to be ashamed of me and I didn't have to avoid him, so started going to his office after I got off work, I discovered Dad could also be a hell of a good friend and an amazzing source of either answers, or very pertinent questions. All you men who are in sexless marriages, not because your wife has medical issues( which you have vowed to honor and support) but because she lost interest and tough, no more for you and your married, so your trapped? Dad says your wife has already broken the marriage vows. My Mom had overian cancer and full hysterectomy at 35. Dad said she made love to him at least once a week, sometimes more, still, in their 70s. And why? Christian duty, roll of the wife, some oppressive requirement? No. Quote, "Because I LOVE YOU Charlie. And you are a passionate charming man. And science says intimacy for husbands is vital for physical, psychological and emotional health. AND you will live LONGER!" Dad said Mom, in spite of her total sexual repression in front of her kids and the rest of the world, was wonderful in private. And she felt JOY at taking care of him sexually. For over 30 years after her early menopause and until dad died. But my generation, he said they were coming in for counseling with wives saying. "but having sex when I am not in the mood is degrading" which is something they learned from feminism, something is only degrading if YOU CHOSE to feel degraded. My Mom chose JOY. My Ex wife is EX because she decided her aversion to "planned" intimacy was far more important than her marriage, kids or husband. Just like Dad had said, feminism is destroying the basic foundational principal of marriage... put your partners well being first in your heart.
SO very long post but I want all my fellow sexual Christians to consider they may not be as sinful as they feared. For awhile. Until you turn your new found relief from guilt and freedom to perve into carte blanche perversion and are just as addicted to sex as an alcoholic or drug addict. I took more time writing this than I've spent in church in a month. Just remember that when you are following the lustful ache in your groin intently, you aren't going to be hearing the feeling in your gut from your Spirit guided conscience. Any of you close to Fresno Ca? Cause I pretty much would do ANYTHING just so I could tell my Ex she was no longer my last. LOL. God is shaking his head at me. I am a bad kid.
"It is better to spill your seed into the belly of a whore than to spill it upon the ground" has made puberty for Christian boys a nightmare of guilt. Prostitution is a sin so obviously masturbation is too. Or so we are told. But prostitution was not a sin, it was "unclean" but not a sin and not illegal in the laws. In fact unmarried men were permitted to use a prostitutes services. What was a sin? A bride to be could be stoned to death if found to not be a virgin. Put it all together and what you get is the simplest and most obvious. "It is BETTER to spill your seed into the belly of a whore MEANS BETTER. The verse is literally true as written. Why ? Because when young men masturbate, well they think about girls. They fantasize. They LUST. And sometimes they then seduce the young woman, even their own betrothed. Hebrew teen boys were encouraged to go to prostitutes to keep them "satisfied" and away from the unmarried girls. So much for masturbation guilt. Oh, another easy one? Christ rescued the Prostitute from stoning by talking about casting the first stone. But she wasn't being executed for prostitution, but for adultery. But that meant she was MARRIED, and yet working as a prostitute. So weren't ALL married prostitute adulterers? No, this woman was doing it without her husband's consent. Uh.. then that means, adultery is having sex outside your marriage WITHOUT CONSENT! So sex outside marriage is OK as long as it is CONSENSUAL! Which of course would have to be since Abraham had sex with Sarah's handmaiden at Sarah's insistence and Abraham didn't get in trouble with God for that, just for failing to trust that Sarah would bear a child.
We are afflicted today by the Puritisim of the 1600s that still permeates all the denominations of Christianity as they pick and chose what things it denomination WANTS to believe in. Supported by false information based on crappy translations. NO knowledge of the actual society at the time that part of the Bible was written. And DELIBERATE misinformation on Bible text created to support extreme moralism that was not actually Biblical. I can't believe how much shit we heard in church as teen boys about masturbation while David had 700 wives, 600 concubines, and had transferred a general to the front lines to be killed because David wanted that man's wife.
Like all of our human vices, sexuality is only sin when you take it to a level that injures others, injures or defiles yourself or becomes your "GOD". I am most certainly guilty of the last these days. 66 years old and divorced 10 years in which my entire energy has been as a single Dad. Kids are all out of school and I desperately don't want the LAST time I had sex, 10 years ago with the ex wife, and the night I knew we were done, to be my "memory" to last the rest of my life. So I am more than a little fixated on getting laid, no matter how disreputably, just so my "last" time wasn't with my damn Ex. LOL.
Oh, and Yeah. When I turned 30 I started hanging out with my Dad, he filled me in on the family history and apollogized sorrowfully for NOT going behind Mom's back and working with us. He knew both sons had severe relationship disorders, but until I started TALKING he hadn't realized just HOW isolated from education we were. He could have really helped if he started when I was 16. I mean the guy isn't just a Baptist Minister, he is Ca licensed counselor, teacher, school administrator, biofeedback and hypnosis based therapy, and licensed massusse( his 10 member class for massage license was one Baptist Minister and 9 prostitutes) the girls freaked when the instructor first said "Reverend D", they had been chatting NAUGHTY sex for the 15 minutes before 1st class started in front of him. Then the roll was called. My Dad was a sick flirt, I know he loved it. He said he told the girls about Jesus's actual closest disciples, the women, and that some were prostitutes. So if prostitutes were Jesus's pick for best companions, he was thrilled to be in a class with 9 more and not offended by their sex talk anyway. I know he wasn't, he lived right, but he was a student of people and the changing culture. And a perve. When I realized Dad wasn't going to be ashamed of me and I didn't have to avoid him, so started going to his office after I got off work, I discovered Dad could also be a hell of a good friend and an amazzing source of either answers, or very pertinent questions. All you men who are in sexless marriages, not because your wife has medical issues( which you have vowed to honor and support) but because she lost interest and tough, no more for you and your married, so your trapped? Dad says your wife has already broken the marriage vows. My Mom had overian cancer and full hysterectomy at 35. Dad said she made love to him at least once a week, sometimes more, still, in their 70s. And why? Christian duty, roll of the wife, some oppressive requirement? No. Quote, "Because I LOVE YOU Charlie. And you are a passionate charming man. And science says intimacy for husbands is vital for physical, psychological and emotional health. AND you will live LONGER!" Dad said Mom, in spite of her total sexual repression in front of her kids and the rest of the world, was wonderful in private. And she felt JOY at taking care of him sexually. For over 30 years after her early menopause and until dad died. But my generation, he said they were coming in for counseling with wives saying. "but having sex when I am not in the mood is degrading" which is something they learned from feminism, something is only degrading if YOU CHOSE to feel degraded. My Mom chose JOY. My Ex wife is EX because she decided her aversion to "planned" intimacy was far more important than her marriage, kids or husband. Just like Dad had said, feminism is destroying the basic foundational principal of marriage... put your partners well being first in your heart.
SO very long post but I want all my fellow sexual Christians to consider they may not be as sinful as they feared. For awhile. Until you turn your new found relief from guilt and freedom to perve into carte blanche perversion and are just as addicted to sex as an alcoholic or drug addict. I took more time writing this than I've spent in church in a month. Just remember that when you are following the lustful ache in your groin intently, you aren't going to be hearing the feeling in your gut from your Spirit guided conscience. Any of you close to Fresno Ca? Cause I pretty much would do ANYTHING just so I could tell my Ex she was no longer my last. LOL. God is shaking his head at me. I am a bad kid.
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As an ordained minister, I masturbate when I feel the need to release or to just enjoy myself. I see nothing wrong with it, and I don't feel guilt. I write erotic stories, and look at porn for inspiration for stories. I have lady friends that I chat with that send me nudes, and I send them nudes. Over the centuries, a hell of a lot worse has been done by people more religious than any of us. Be happy, enjoy your sex lives and your solo enjoyment. Leave the guilt at the door. 
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I grew up Southern Baptist, accepted Christ as my savior, got baptized, everything. The people I used to go to church with acted like merely looking at someone with lust was an automatic ticket to Hell. So, I felt deep guilt over looking at porn, being bisexual, etc.
I have since become an agnostic, more on the atheistic side of it. I don't know if God truly exists or not, nor can I prove it either way, but I'm leaning toward no. I don't feel this way because of my sexuality or anything like that, but because of the hypocrisy in every church I have been to. Pastors stealing from the collections, decans sleeping with the spouses of other decans, all while claiming to be "holy" and "sinless." I quit going altogether because of it, how could I take them or their teachings seriously when they commit the very sins they preach against?
I have no hard feelings toward Christians or anyone who believes in God, nor do I view them as "stupid" as I know a lot of atheists do. I wish I could believe in Him again. I have to be honest though, some of the posts in this thread have been enlightening.
I have since become an agnostic, more on the atheistic side of it. I don't know if God truly exists or not, nor can I prove it either way, but I'm leaning toward no. I don't feel this way because of my sexuality or anything like that, but because of the hypocrisy in every church I have been to. Pastors stealing from the collections, decans sleeping with the spouses of other decans, all while claiming to be "holy" and "sinless." I quit going altogether because of it, how could I take them or their teachings seriously when they commit the very sins they preach against?
I have no hard feelings toward Christians or anyone who believes in God, nor do I view them as "stupid" as I know a lot of atheists do. I wish I could believe in Him again. I have to be honest though, some of the posts in this thread have been enlightening.
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In what way did you find the posts enlightening? I can interpret that in multiple ways. Iām just curious.
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Sorry for the lack of clarification. I've never known so many Christians to be accepting of their own sexual needs/desires so openly. I guess it was my prudish upbringing, but I had always been told that any kind of sex outside of marriage that wasn't between a man and a woman was a guaranteed trip to Hell. I'm sure the majority of Christians probably wouldn't agree with those who have posted, not that they are actively posting, but just seeing posts like these make me see Christianity in a new light, that it's not all about the "Bible-thumping".
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Thereās a Christian forum called The Marriage Bed which promotes an enthusiastic sex life for married couples. The website officially only approves of sex between married couples and does not approve of porn. However, members there generally despise the āpurityā culture and blame it for needless guilt and sexual problems for people who later marry. Members donāt agree 100% with all issues, but they are generally pro-masturbation for singles, and very pro-oral sex within marriage. Many are openly into things like naughty language in the bedroom, swallowing w/blowjobs, sex outdoors, anal sex, and creampie eating. I suspect that some there whom are more permissive about porn and pre-marital sex, but respect the rules and politely keep quiet about it.
Some well-respected Christian leaders of the ancient past had some prudish views about sexuality that many mainstream Christians today would see as outright nutty. Take a look at some of the views of Ambrose, Jermone, and Saint Augustine. If those leaders could be wrong, then mainstream leaders today can be wrong too.
I still am an avid follower of Jesus. Always will be.
I avoid the label "Christian" party because that label has been so debased, especially in recent years, by people whose values are contrary to those taught by Jesus: He never preached bigotry, hate, intolerance, oppression, dishonesty, or greed- and certainly never preached sexual repression. In recent years I have seen a lot of self-described Christians who have been promoting these very things, and I simply cannot reconcile that with Christ's original intentions. Without getting political, I believe that He would have utterly condemned many of today's political figures that invoke His name for their own selfish gain.
He DID, however, frown on cheating on one's spouse. Not too controversial there, However, there have been many sects within Christianity that are polyamourous. I think that whatever happens in the bedroom between you and your partner, in a loving and consensual way, is nothing Jesus would disprove of. So basically no, I have never had any deep pangs of guilt about sexuality. In fact, I see a lot of that sexual repression in the name of religion as being more about power, control, and a sadistic desire for both of these on the part of political and religious leaders, than any true reflection of God's will.
I avoid the label "Christian" party because that label has been so debased, especially in recent years, by people whose values are contrary to those taught by Jesus: He never preached bigotry, hate, intolerance, oppression, dishonesty, or greed- and certainly never preached sexual repression. In recent years I have seen a lot of self-described Christians who have been promoting these very things, and I simply cannot reconcile that with Christ's original intentions. Without getting political, I believe that He would have utterly condemned many of today's political figures that invoke His name for their own selfish gain.
He DID, however, frown on cheating on one's spouse. Not too controversial there, However, there have been many sects within Christianity that are polyamourous. I think that whatever happens in the bedroom between you and your partner, in a loving and consensual way, is nothing Jesus would disprove of. So basically no, I have never had any deep pangs of guilt about sexuality. In fact, I see a lot of that sexual repression in the name of religion as being more about power, control, and a sadistic desire for both of these on the part of political and religious leaders, than any true reflection of God's will.
BoredIndianaDad49
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I do after most sunday services
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I like knowing
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Knowing what? That I fantasize about you when I stroke? Yes, that happens. I can prove it.
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Nothing wrong with praising the lord for the orgasm you have received.
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I went to a catholic school and church. Mother superior abused me sexually took my virginity. Too embarrassed and shame to discus here. PM are welcomed.
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I identify as Christian, I just have a problem with a number of organised churches based on faith.
I have a close friend whom was brought up by a very religious Scottish Presbeterian mother. Sex is a burden, only allowed between a married couple for the purpose of procreation etc. This attitude broke her parents marriage, as the father ended up bonking and marrying his secretary. My friend has never married or had a "normal" relationship (scared of men) and grown up with a mixed attitude to sex. She seems to have a pretty normal sex drive but represses it until she can bear it no longer, at times she has then met men who she has chatted to online, sometimes for sex, sometimes just touching or oral - then cries for days in shame. Sometimes, she will relieve the frustration with a massive masturbation session - luckily her mother didn't seem to mention masturbation at all, presumably she didn't think of it as something women did. I've tried suggesting that she should just have a weekly(?) masturbation session, nice feelings to release stress etc but I think she is still unsure whether this is a sin.When I was single we used to have long naughty telephone conversations, I was never sure if this helped either of us to be honest. I also know that she has had frank conversations with her vicar's wife, who has said similar things to myself - masturbation is not a sin and neither is sex outside of marriage, if you are in a relationship, casual sex carries risks, etc - but the beliefs are too embedded.
Sometimes religious beliefs can really screw up someone's life.
I have a close friend whom was brought up by a very religious Scottish Presbeterian mother. Sex is a burden, only allowed between a married couple for the purpose of procreation etc. This attitude broke her parents marriage, as the father ended up bonking and marrying his secretary. My friend has never married or had a "normal" relationship (scared of men) and grown up with a mixed attitude to sex. She seems to have a pretty normal sex drive but represses it until she can bear it no longer, at times she has then met men who she has chatted to online, sometimes for sex, sometimes just touching or oral - then cries for days in shame.
Sometimes, she will relieve the frustration with a massive masturbation session - luckily her mother didn't seem to mention masturbation at all, presumably she didn't think of it as something women did. I've tried suggesting that she should just have a weekly(?) masturbation session, nice feelings to release stress etc but I think she is still unsure whether this is a sin.When I was single we used to have long naughty telephone conversations, I was never sure if this helped either of us to be honest. I also know that she has had frank conversations with her vicar's wife, who has said similar things to myself - masturbation is not a sin and neither is sex outside of marriage, if you are in a relationship, casual sex carries risks, etc - but the beliefs are too embedded.Sometimes religious beliefs can really screw up someone's life.
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Do you know what's wrong with churches? They're filled with people. I struggle, daily, to keep any faith. The reason? Being treated so terribly by so many religious, church-going people. But the thing is, they're all sinners, they're all failed and flawed, and for me to expect anything from them is setting myself up for failure.
Not trying to convert anyone or anything, but wanted you to know you aren't alone in your experience, in fact, you're in the majority. I would just offer that you shouldn't let the terrible behavior of others impact what you believe or know to be true.
Like so many others have said, religions get hijacked by extremists, but that's not the religion, it's the application of pride and power through religion.
Or, I'm totally full of shit. All of these things are likely.
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You're not full of shit, I totally agree with you. While Christians have played a role in my current beliefs, there are other factors involved. Christians have ruined peoples' walks with God that could have benefitted them greatly.
While I am not entirely sure whether or not He exists, I have recently found myself blaming Him and being quite pissed with Him with not only my own struggles, but with recent events as well. If I'm not "entirely sure whether or not He exists", then how/why am I so angry with Him?
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That's an excellent point, and definitely worth considering.
Ben Stein had an interesting video, "Expelled." It was all about intelligent design, but not a video about religion or creation vs. evolution, etc. It simply laid out the science behind the support for intelligent design. If you get a chance, give it a shot. It may help you make sense of things. Worst case, you waste some time in front of the TV.
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