a new breed of Comments? what use, I ask....

[normal jean]

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[LeBroz]

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You mean something like my post on the Lit Blog thread? Figured it was a safe place to ID the dynamic duo (one of whom seems to have gone on hiatus). I know I sometimes leave less than stellar comments like you've described but I can tell you {and I'm sure you've experienced this} that some folks don't take kindly to anything less than gushing comments. Even got a nasty-gram today — probably from a less-than-disinterested third party. Speaking of which, there's today's curiosity! with its continued odd capitalizations. The reaction there should be — interesting. Have a good evening.



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[Tzara]

I've seen the comments you refer to, NJ, and agree that they are kind of pointless. Particularly when they summarize the poem incorrectly, which they have done to me before. Or maybe I don't know what I'm writing about.

They don't really irritate me--I basically ignore them. Nor does it bother me if the motivation is some kind of race or top list of some kind or whatever. If I turn comments on, then people are welcome to make any kind of comment they want.

But they certainly aren't useful comments. Useful ones, as you mention, are few and far between. And, yes, they've probably fallen off in the last few months. Commenting is very time consuming and often difficult, even if you reserve sufficient time to devote to it. I fairly frequently read poems that I really have very little to say about--not because they are bad, not even because they are so good I can't think of any suggestions. Usually it is just that I wouldn't know what to say, because the subject is something I don't know anything about, or because the style is so different from how I might approach the topic that I don't know where to begin. Add to that the fact that you don't want to inadvertently make someone upset, and you sometimes just give up and don't comment at all.

I've come to believe that commenting on poetry is actually harder in some ways than writing it. At least when I am writing it, I know what I mean and what I was trying to do, even if no one else does.

The bad thing about all of this is that commentary does help you get better. I know it has helped me.

And, no, I don't have any clever solution to that problem. If somebody does, I would love to hear it.

 

[normal jean]

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You mean something like my post on the Lit Blog thread? Figured it was a safe place to ID the dynamic duo (one of whom seems to have gone on hiatus). I know I sometimes leave less than stellar comments like you've described but I can tell you {and I'm sure you've experienced this} that some folks don't take kindly to anything less than gushing comments. Even got a nasty-gram today — probably from a less-than-disinterested third party. Speaking of which, there's today's curiosity! with its continued odd capitalizations. The reaction there should be — interesting. Have a good evening.



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yeah, Leon, you got i t



and I want to emphasize, THANK YOU for taking the time that you take to do so much around. You are an angel

 

[FifthFlower]

The last poem I submitted, I disabled comments and voting. I figured, why should I waste someone's time? The number of views is what is most interesting to me.

After reading this thread, I'm now a little paranoid about leaving a comment, of any sort, even a bland one.

So, why do people want comments anyway?

 

[Tzara]

The last poem I submitted, I disabled comments and voting. I figured, why should I waste someone's time? The number of views is what is most interesting to me.

After reading this thread, I'm now a little paranoid about leaving a comment, of any sort, even a bland one.

So, why do people want comments anyway?

Because feedback from readers is important in helping you understand if you were successful in saying what you thought you said. Poetry (hell, writing) is about communication, and the comments, at their best, help you understand where you were effective and where you weren't.

Not all comments are equally useful, of course. You get a comment from someone you think is an idiot, you aren't going to value that as much as one from someone you think highly of.

Yeah, I know. Self-referential. It's a problem.

Hey. Why writing isn't easy.

 

[LeBroz]

Because feedback from readers is important in helping you understand if you were successful in saying what you thought you said. Poetry (hell, writing) is about communication, and the comments, at their best, help you understand where you were effective and where you weren't.

Not all comments are equally useful, of course. You get a comment from someone you think is an idiot, you aren't going to value that as much as one from someone you think highly of.

Yeah, I know. Self-referential. It's a problem.

Hey. Why writing isn't easy.

You make some excellent points.

I came across an old feedback thread that someone {de sade?} started back in '03 and got upset when he really got feedback. It's no different with the PC's ~ some folk just want their precarious egos stroked.

As I mention in my post above, when I sent positive constructive criticism on that poem (curiosity!), the poet deleted it. I had pointed out the problems with the random capitalizations, a word she corrected but still misspelled (splender should be splendor). She then went and added a qualifying note on her bio page: "Just a note I love feedback about my poems, I appreciate your opinions, however, I am not great at grammar, punctuation,also I use capital letters in the wrong places, I also make spelling errors I KNOW I AM HUMAN AND NOT LOOKING FOR PERFECTION if you leave a comment please just ignore my human errors and tell me what you thought of the piece."

This poet put in writing what some poets do in practice. They ignore constructive criticism and refuse to correct fundamental errors ~ minor details like grammer and spelling. I view that as an insult to my intelligence (hell, to anyone's intelligence!) and normally won't read their future submissions.

And for FifthFlower, my usual reaction upon seeing a poem with comments/voting disabled is to bypass the piece (I may scan it quickly, but that would be rare). Why? Well, I feel that if the poet is not interested in what I have to say, why should I be interested in what they have to say? And I don't view a comment sent via email as the same thing. Just a quirky thing I've developed in this Internet age.

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[Sapphire_O]

The last poem I submitted, I disabled comments and voting. I figured, why should I waste someone's time? The number of views is what is most interesting to me.

After reading this thread, I'm now a little paranoid about leaving a comment, of any sort, even a bland one.

So, why do people want comments anyway?

I want comments because I'm desperate for attention... I mean, I want to grow as a writer Honestly, I just love sharing with people (other writers and readers) and love to give my opinion and hear other people's opinions. Writer Workshops are my favourite classes and the Internet is like a big, global, anonymous workshop. Since ppl on the Internet don't know me I feel like their comments are more honest (it's about the writing, not my personality), which is cool!

And with erotica (which I'm new to), it was a total rush to have some stranger tell me I'd turned them on!

 

[vampiredust]

I got a pointless comment on my last poem. It sounded like this person hadn't read the poem at all.

That annoys me

I don't mind if all people say is 'I like it' or 'I don't like it'

Constructive criticism is better because then I know what to improve upon.

 

[LeBroz]

I got a pointless comment on my last poem. It sounded like this person hadn't read the poem at all.

That annoys me

I don't mind if all people say is 'I like it' or 'I don't like it'

Constructive criticism is better because then I know what to improve upon.

I know exactly what you mean. I think that's what so bugged maria that she pulled her poems. I didn't go quite that far but I finally deleted the comments from the dynamic duo. Some poems they got but most they missed the point. I wouldn't want some later reader to see those comments and maybe get misled. And for me, that's a pretty drastic course of action; I've left comments in place that are, in a couple of cases, rather harsh.

Personally, while I like gushing comments, I also appreciate comments with constructive criticism; they provide serious food for thought.

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[FifthFlower]

And for FifthFlower, my usual reaction upon seeing a poem with comments/voting disabled is to bypass the piece (I may scan it quickly, but that would be rare). Why? Well, I feel that if the poet is not interested in what I have to say, why should I be interested in what they have to say? And I don't view a comment sent via email as the same thing. Just a quirky thing I've developed in this Internet age.

I understand what you are saying. I like the opportunity to be able to tell a poet off, as well as to offer praise. I do participate in workshopping sites where the comments, given and received, are brutally "honest". So, the actual process of online critiquing/workshopping is familiar to me.

On the other hand, on Literotica, I'm ambivalent about setting on comments as well as commenting. Why? Well, I don't see Literotica as a workshopping site as much as an entertainment site. And I like it because of that. I don't want people to waste their time because they think they have to say something and I don't want to make people like normal jean angry if I don't comment appropriately.

 

[normal jean]

I understand what you are saying. I like the opportunity to be able to tell a poet off, as well as to offer praise. I do participate in workshopping sites where the comments, given and received, are brutally "honest". So, the actual process of online critiquing/workshopping is familiar to me.

On the other hand, on Literotica, I'm ambivalent about setting on comments as well as commenting. Why? Well, I don't see Literotica as a workshopping site as much as an entertainment site. And I like it because of that. I don't want people to waste their time because they think they have to say something and I don't want to make people like normal jean angry if I don't comment appropriately.

People like? being lumped into some imaginary group does make me mad, on a scale of 0-10, its a . 0005.

and why in the world would you censor yourself because of anything I or anyone else had to say, think or feel? Grow a spine, stand up for yourself, like I have had to learn how to do. Your comments are very welcome, as long as they are comments, not summations. I dont remember you ever commenting, in any fashion, o n anything I ever wrote, so please dont use me as an excuse to not comment.


We have discussed this. Tell me you hated my work, just dont tell me what I wrote, hell...

I have endured the trolls, the nasty letters, the two-faced stinging pseudocriticism that didnt do anyone anygood, but for some reason I felt I needed this place and stayed. Its a good place most of the time, i see it when I lurk.

you didnt make me angry, jeez. YOu dont have that power over me and I wont give it to you!! I just have an abrasive way of explaining myself and I do apologize for that. I just cant put myself in squishy suck up kittykat mode all the time.

No one made me " angry". sorry you see it that way. some people here DO make me angry, but that was merely a query I had, wondered if it bugged ( not angered) anyone else. I will tell you this much, it takes more than a lame comment to make me angry, and when I get angry, you will know it. I try not to waste my time with an emotion as useless as anger.

It seems like I wasnt the only one that noticed that new breed of comemnts and doesnt see the point. but what difference does it make? I got the answer I was looking for, it wasnt my imagination.

 

[normal jean]

I know exactly what you mean. I think that's what so bugged maria that she pulled her poems. I didn't go quite that far but I finally deleted the comments from the dynamic duo. Some poems they got but most they missed the point. I wouldn't want some later reader to see those comments and maybe get misled. And for me, that's a pretty drastic course of action; I've left comments in place that are, in a couple of cases, rather harsh.

Personally, while I like gushing comments, I also appreciate comments with constructive criticism; they provide serious food for thought.

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NO NO NO!! that is NOT why I pulled my poems, Leon, OMG! what a pitiful reason that would be to pull my poetry.

I't was something much more personal and you know it, Leon. Im more than a little disappointed

Besides the misunderstanding abbout a post on a birthday thread, it is something else. I dont want to share my personal life any firther with anyone else here that I dont share it with in PM or email I dont know the people here anymore. They dont know me either. And when they do get to know me, well, whatever, it doesnt matter,

I have always been the FIRST person to admit I have problems so those who care to gossip can get the facts straight from t he start.

reason 1--

Ive been here 5 years. thats enough reason to look for another venue, huh.

I stuck around so long because of the kindness and support I received from people like WickedEve, 1201, PatCarrington, Tara BLackwood, Tathagata, SyndraLynn, Perks, Boo andTristesse just to name a few. Tess has endured more crap than just about anyone I know yet she still posts, so I strive to be as strong as she is. but even she doesnt post as much as she used to and so on, anyone notice a patterrn?

How many of these folks even post here anymore at all???

I wont BS about it, I stick around because I keep hoping that Eve will come back.

While I admire many poets here, have learned from so many, She is categorically the one poet who has influenced me here and it breaks my heart that she was insulted to the point that she felt she had to leave. I't has happened to me, but I am stupid, naive, I forgive and let it go, not saying she doesnt, but I dont have much regard for my heart and too much for some of the people here. and Eve k nows how to protect herself and not get drawn into the petty stuff. I have yuet to learn that you cn tell because of how I defend myself.

I will go on to be insulting-- most of the new breed of poems here belong here, they are Lit poems, and while thats fine, for LIt, I pulled the majority pf my work because, I believe it deserves abeter place that Literotica. Maybe I am wrong, but thats will be my mistake.

I still get a kick out of the interactions on this site. God kick me in the arse, but ol Cubby did have apoint, when you think about it.

 

[normal jean]

I got a pointless comment on my last poem. It sounded like this person hadn't read the poem at all.

That annoys me

I don't mind if all people say is 'I like it' or 'I don't like it'

Constructive criticism is better because then I know what to improve upon.

Hi Chris, yep, finally, doesnt it seem like some of them scan the poem to get the noun/verb point association and leave those comemnts? ya, what a waste of time, for everyone


Like I said before, tell me it sucks, tell me anything other than what I wrote about!! and I write simple poetry, most people get the subject and when they dont, they ask me. I am one of those who, when I dont "get it" I ask, " is that what you meant? oh, it wasnt? wow, this is what I get out o f it and most of the times the poet is happy that someone took the time to try to understand the work and not just get enough of it to make a semi-coherent post about that poem.

 

[LeBroz]

NO NO NO!! that is NOT why I pulled my poems, Leon, OMG! what a pitiful reason that would be to pull my poetry.

I't was something much more personal and you know it, Leon. Im more than a little disappointed

I'm so sorry, you're quite right. I grossly oversimplified. From your explanation on an earlier post you make it clear that it involves many factors:

Yeah, I turned off my PC's, am deleting my work because of many reasons and the biggest one is there is very little constructive crit here anymore, just a battle to see who gets the most PC's on the portal.

Besides, it is grossly unfair on my part to relate my actions to yours or to put an interpretive spin on what you so clearly stated. Again, I oversimplified what you said while explaining my own actions and for that I apologize.

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[normal jean]

The last poem I submitted, I disabled comments and voting. I figured, why should I waste someone's time? The number of views is what is most interesting to me.

After reading this thread, I'm now a little paranoid about leaving a comment, of any sort, even a bland one.

So, why do people want comments anyway?

along time ago, I posted a poem titled Seasons and Separation... here it is--


Seasons and separation


Winter it is not, yet here I sit
thinking of Spring as raw beauty sleeps
beneath centipede grass, below aspersions
cast from northern winds.

We all await the second solstice
before the annual trek upwards. A minute
each day, climbing from deep soil
towards the slanting sun.

We acknowledge that Nature strands us,
leaves us shivering breath-smoke prayers.
Frozen, we exist while bulbs are sleeping,
and I wonder-

Can a crocus dream of sunshine and miracle gro?
If maple trees had feet, would they
spirit their autumn colors miles away?

Winter it is not, nor does it feel like Autumn.
Stuck between seasons, even the sky
lives in limbo. To snow or not,
to rain or remain simply grey.


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I got about 15 comments on this one. A few of them were of the I dont like it, its too sappy, garden poems arent what I like to read ( 1201 was of this sort, he hated garden poetry, but still he took the time to read it and give constructive crit), etc. Good comments, expressed with honesty, much appreciated.

I got several that stated they loved it, they highlighted specific lines, some pointed out a spelling error that spell check didnt catch, and so on.

But of those 15 comments, 9 of them stated they didnt or did like the Miracle grow line. No one really told me why they didnt like, it maybe they didnt have time, maybe they didnt KNOW exactly why they didnt like it. Hell, I never really thought it fit but I couldnt put my finger on exactly why it didnt work in that poem.
Now please dont go assuming that I was hurt by any of these comments. I have grown past that in the 5 years I have been here. There was a time when some things hurt me because I didnt understand the nature of the comment. NO one was mean to me.

Okay. I posted it on the other place I put my stuff now, and got a variety of comments from ...oh, the meter is off, its cliche ( but they couldnt point out a cliched word or phrase) and then I got this one---

Lovely, lovely and contemplative. You really painted a sweet, pensive picture here, and I thought it was very well put together. the only thing that didn't work for me was the "miracle gro" part of the line. The rest of the poem is so timeless and dreamy, and the mention of a specific product seems really jarring.

she was able to articulate Why she didnt like that particular part of the poem. I totally agree now that I see it myself in reference to the rest of the poem, she is 100% correct. When I submit it elsewhere, that part will be removed.

Now , it doesnt mean that I didnt appreciate the Litsters ideas and comments, just that no one could help me understand why it was a bad line in the poem. I am looking for understanding of what I write. Not just blind praise or blatant non constructive crit.

 

[normal jean]

I'm so sorry, you're quite right. I grossly oversimplified. From your explanation on an earlier post you make it clear that it involves many factors:



Besides, it is grossly unfair on my part to relate my actions to yours or to put an interpretive spin on what you so clearly stated. Again, I oversimplified what you said while explaining my own actions and for that I apologize.

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Leon

maybe some people need a personal reason for what I did with Marias work?

My heart is aching, okay. I have been in love with a man for years, thought I could trust him, told him everything in the world about me. Things my own family doesnt know, things I didnt want to admit to myself.

After 4 years, he told me he loved me . He told me 3 times in the last 3 years. Now he is gone. He didn't trust me when he knew everything there was to know about me. The last time we broke up, I did the breaking because he wouldnt/ couldnt share his life and soul with me.

That was in Nov. 2004. I changed my Yahoo screenname, my AIM. Changed everything to make it easy on ME to get away from the memory of HIM.

In 7-05, I got a FB email from LIt. It was him. This was 7-11-05. Told me he missed me, and all sorts of BS.

Then he does the same thing to me, doesnt trust me, lies to me, and on and on.

Point is, he found me through Marias page. I know, I didnt have to respond, but silly me, I needed that love, I thought it was love, I needed his strength, I thought it was strength. Thing is, he helped me , he was there for me when my husband was beating me on a regular basis. He helped me when I had NO ONE in the world to talk to. He helped me gain some self esteem by telling me everyday that I did NOT deserve to be treated less than dog shit. I still love him, but I dont want his form of abuse anymore either.

I told you I deleted my Yahoo name?

look up http://profiles.yahoo.com/maria2394.

see the date that profile was made? He claimed my yahoo ID after the wait time was over, he has it now. not me, he did that the day before he emailed me and now he says HE didnt do that. What I cannot forgive is that he treated me like I am stupid. I cant take that from anyone anymore Maybe it bothers me so much because I tend to feel that way about myself.

Hell, cant you guys feel the bitterness and pain? at least you are all honest with me and I supose thats the real reason I stay, I feel ike the idiot little sister of a bunch pf people I admire. I keep hoping to learn something to help me get out of my fucked up self. But It doesnt come and I dont know where else to look. I'M tired of pain, period.

Fifth flower, I'm not mad. Please dont label me, you dont know me.

Leon, youve been a good patient friend, thank you.

Sorry I offended so many of yyu, it wont happen again. Im trying to learn how to be demure and quite and accept that I will always be a doormat, but something in me is rebelling and refuses to be like I was when I first came here.

IM about to fucking give up and end the whole miserable process.

fuck it

 

[LeBroz]

Leon

maybe some people need a personal reason for what I did with Marias work?

My heart is aching, okay. I have been in love with a man for years, thought I could trust him, told him everything in the world about me. Things my own family doesnt know, things I didnt want to admit to myself.

After 4 years, he told me he loved me . He told me 3 times in the last 3 years. Now he is gone. He didn't trust me when he knew everything there was to know about me. The last time we broke up, I did the breaking because he wouldnt/ couldnt share his life and soul with me.

That was in Nov. 2004. I changed my Yahoo screenname, my AIM. Changed everything to make it easy on ME to get away from the memory of HIM.

In 7-05, I got a FB email from LIt. It was him. This was 7-11-05. Told me he missed me, and all sorts of BS.

Then he does the same thing to me, doesnt trust me, lies to me, and on and on.

Point is, he found me through Marias page. I know, I didnt have to respond, but silly me, I needed that love, I thought it was love, I needed his strength, I thought it was strength. Thing is, he helped me , he was there for me when my husband was beating me on a regular basis. He helped me when I had NO ONE in the world to talk to. He helped me gain some self esteem by telling me everyday that I did NOT deserve to be treated less than dog shit. I still love him, but I dont want his form of abuse anymore either.

I told you I deleted my Yahoo name?

look up http://profiles.yahoo.com/maria2394.

see the date that profile was made? He claimed my yahoo ID after the wait time was over, he has it now. not me, he did that the day before he emailed me and now he says HE didnt do that. What I cannot forgive is that he treated me like I am stupid. I cant take that from anyone anymore Maybe it bothers me so much because I tend to feel that way about myself.

Hell, cant you guys feel the bitterness and pain? at least you are all honest with me and I supose thats the real reason I stay, I feel ike the idiot little sister of a bunch pf people I admire. I keep hoping to learn something to help me get out of my fucked up self. But It doesnt come and I dont know where else to look. I'M tired of pain, period.

Fifth flower, I'm not mad. Please dont label me, you dont know me.

Leon, youve been a good patient friend, thank you.

Sorry I offended so many of yyu, it wont happen again. Im trying to learn how to be demure and quite and accept that I will always be a doormat, but something in me is rebelling and refuses to be like I was when I first came here.

IM about to fucking give up and end the whole miserable process.

fuck it

Julie

Thanks so much for sharing so openly.

I don't think anyone here thinks of you as an idiot sister; I certainly don't. So don't short change yourself. I picture you as having a sweet exterior with an iron core, the classic Southern gal. I think you're stronger than you give yourself credit. Also, I don't believe you offend anyone here in any way that matters.

Being sweet, quiet, and demure is one thing but I don't believe you will ever truly be a doormat. You're one of Lit's treasures and help bring a calming feel to the place.

I think most everyone here consider it a treat and an honor to know you and to be able to share their words with you as you share your words with us.



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[unapologetic]

Hell, cant you guys feel the bitterness and pain? at least you are all honest with me and I supose thats the real reason I stay, I feel ike the idiot little sister of a bunch pf people I admire. I keep hoping to learn something to help me get out of my fucked up self. But It doesnt come and I dont know where else to look. I'M tired of pain, period.

NJ,

Okay, I know I'm new here. Heck, I can't even add an avatar yet. The truth is, you don't know me, and I don't really know you. What I do know is that you have a beautiful and honest poetic voice, and that is something to hold onto. The truth is, my professional life is somewhat tumultuous right now, and I've started to value the people here more than those I see everyday. While it may sound simplistic, I know that I'm grateful to you and everybody else here who have responded to my threads and critiqued my poems and I'd hate to see you go.

Persevere as best you can, and know my thoughts are with you.

 

[WickedEve]

But of those 15 comments, 9 of them stated they didnt or did like the Miracle grow line. No one really told me why they didnt like, it maybe they didnt have time, maybe they didnt KNOW exactly why they didnt like it. Hell, I never really thought it fit but I couldnt put my finger on exactly why it didnt work in that poem.

crocus: "Hey, bitch, get me some Miracle gro. None of that cheap stuff. I wanna a brand name."

"We acknowledge that Nature strands us" is a brilliant line and the entire poem is wonderful. Just leave the miracle gro on the plants and out of the poem.

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

Regarding comments,
Two emails received:
This message contains feedback for: MyNecroticSnail
This feedback was sent by: NAME REMOVED AND SLIGHTLY EDITTED

Comments:



thanks for the real and genuine feedback, because I could not for the
life of me figure out why I was not happy with that poem.
Other problems harrassed me, not those cliches-
weird, the blind spots that suddenly develop!

I must have helped.

This message contains feedback for: MyNecroticSnail
This feedback was sent by: Anonymous

Comments:

Normally, I would appreciate all constructive criticism. However,
nothing you said was constructive. Every comment I have seen from you on any
poem here has been negative. If you don't ever have anything nice to
say, why do you bother? If you ask me, you should take a look at yourself
and figure out where this God complex came from!

fails to identify what comment, check operative word negative. What is funny, is I don't remember leaving any comments in that time period.
I suggest you have either been fooled won't be the first time, or you are confusing me with a lesser talent who does have a God complex.
LOL

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

You make some excellent points.

I came across an old feedback thread that someone {de sade?} started back in '03 and got upset when he really got feedback. It's no different with the PC's ~ some folk just want their precarious egos stroked.

As I mention in my post above, when I sent positive constructive criticism on that poem (curiosity!), the poet deleted it. I had pointed out the problems with the random capitalizations, a word she corrected but still misspelled (splender should be splendor). She then went and added a qualifying note on her bio page: "Just a note I love feedback about my poems, I appreciate your opinions, however, I am not great at grammar, punctuation,also I use capital letters in the wrong places, I also make spelling errors I KNOW I AM HUMAN AND NOT LOOKING FOR PERFECTION if you leave a comment please just ignore my human errors and tell me what you thought of the piece."

This poet put in writing what some poets do in practice. They ignore constructive criticism and refuse to correct fundamental errors ~ minor details like grammer and spelling. I view that as an insult to my intelligence (hell, to anyone's intelligence!) and normally won't read their future submissions.

And for FifthFlower, my usual reaction upon seeing a poem with comments/voting disabled is to bypass the piece (I may scan it quickly, but that would be rare). Why? Well, I feel that if the poet is not interested in what I have to say, why should I be interested in what they have to say? And I don't view a comment sent via email as the same thing. Just a quirky thing I've developed in this Internet age.

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[FifthFlower]

I am looking for understanding of what I write. Not just blind praise or blatant non constructive crit.

If you are looking for a different sort of critique than you are getting here, you might try Eratosphere. They have a non-metrical forum. I believe you have to critique 10-20 others before you are permitted to post a poem yourself.

The critiques on your poem will range from the ludicrous to the occasionally useful one. You have to wade through the useless comments, politely, with an open mind, thanking even those who offer you "moronic" advice. I find that very difficult to do myself, and so prefer the friendlier environment of Literotica.

 

[MyNecroticSnail]

If you are looking for a different sort of critique than you are getting here, you might try Eratosphere. They have a non-metrical forum. I believe you have to critique 10-20 others before you are permitted to post a poem yourself.

The critiques on your poem will range from the ludicrous to the occasionally useful one. You have to wade through the useless comments, politely, with an open mind, thanking even those who offer you "moronic" advice. I find that very difficult to do myself, and so prefer the friendlier environment of Literotica.

some of these seem like very tough things to do

I did thank you, didn't I?

 

[normal jean]

Dear Fifth Flower--

even "moronic" advice is better than none. I thought I said that earlier....
in fact, that's been my point all along.summations offer nothing except a bump up to the commenter.

I'm done with this thread, guys, I reckon, make merry here as you see fit. I'm now just trying to be polite to those who responded. No matter what I say, regardless of how few words or how plain I make it, there will always be someone who reads more or less into it. so I give up. its okay, I appreciate everyone taking time.

FF--thanks for the link.