Anti 'Thats So Gay' Campaign.

[Etoile]

What she said! Don't be afraid of the hammer just because you've seen it used to bash Sparky's head in.


~JAB

Was this...*dramatic pause*...sarcasm?!

 

[Wolfman1982]

Jab: the language I speak is neither German or Dutch, but it is the most Germanic sounding Scandinavian language. And the language is Danish.
But what the articles are about is gene racism and so forth. And in my mind a healthy race/gene pool is the diversity, and not the single and streamlined gene only. Since if we as human beings plays too much God, then we could all get bend instead and just wait for judgement day. Cause we can actually already choose what colour of hair, what colour of eyes and so forth you want your child to have. And that is no joke, but the scary truth. What is next ? what sexuality you want your child to have ? my female cousin suffers from schizophrenia, would my aunt choose not have my female cousin as a foetus if she knew that her child one day would get schizophrenia ? I honestly do not know, but if she had chosen no, then she would not have today a grandchild who does not suffer from schizophrenia. So if you have things close to you, then you think differently about gene and so forth Nazism.

 

[JABcomix]

Was this...*dramatic pause*...sarcasm?!

Now why would you think that? I was actually agreeing with you woman. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Unless you are ChivoPig, I will not use sarcasm with you.

Besides, I was simply making the point a little more dramatic.

Jab: the language I speak is neither German or Dutch, but it is the most Germanic sounding Scandinavian language. And the language is Danish.
But what the articles are about is gene racism and so forth. And in my mind a healthy race/gene pool is the diversity, and not the single and streamlined gene only. Since if we as human beings plays too much God, then we could all get bend instead and just wait for judgement day.

Diversity is good. No one is saying this race or that race is better. What I am saying is, get the Crème de la Crème of each race and then start uplifting the genetic stock within each group. I mean, think about it in these terms: Would you mix a perfectly healthy dog with a dog that has a long history of illness in it's breed and expect a much healthier dog out of that? Of course not! What you will get is a dog that is marginally healthier than the sick parent but definitely inferior in health compared to the healthier parent. It's even worse when both parents are just as equally unhealthy. No matter which way you look at it my friend, this sort of "diversity" is not only detrimental to the health of society in general but also extremely selfish on the parts of those that foster these unhealthy children into the world, thus lowering the life expectancy of humans in general when they begin to mix with the healthier stock. Dog breeders know this stuff, so why should we all of a sudden become idiots when it concerns humans? Well, it's because people carry with them emotional baggage when it comes to Eugenics isn't it?. For whatever reason they may have for not wanting such a program to even exist, it boils down to an emotional response. Look, this isn't a moral imperative, but a social one. If you want society to thrive and fulfill it greatest potential, then such a program must be undertaken by the future generations. I say future because there is no chance in hell that it's ever going to happen why we live on this planet.

Also, we are not playing "God" if and when we should take on such a venture for isn't it God that gave us our minds and our personalities? Did He not also give us Free Will? Did he not also admonish us to "Be perfect" even as he is "perfect"? What you imagine that a Eugenics program might produce is not the "horror movie" that you think it would be. If anything, the children of a Eugenics program would have a greater capacity to understand life, science, religion, art, music and politics. The world would experience a renaissance unlike any other. Our animalistic fears would be washed away with this new generation and wars would be a thing of the past. All you have seen about Eugenics has either been failed and flawed attempts or the imaginations of a fiction writer. Men of thought can contemplate and understand the value and the necessity of such a program. Civilization will not survive unless we make an honest effort in solving the world's problem, this being one of them. You may think that it isn't a problem, but I dare you to observe and contemplate the social progress of humanity as a whole. Don't just look at your own people, but look at every population on every part of the world and tell me that a problem does not exist. If your walls of your home all of a sudden had mold, would you not tear that wall down and put up a new one? And if that mold got to the wood, would you not also cure the wood somehow or replace it? You wouldn't just paint over the moldy wall and forget about the problem, would you? If you did just paint over it, the mold would still exist and it would eventually turn up again. Well, this is exactly what you are advocating when you rile against Eugenics. You just want to do nothing and hope for the best.

The weak indulge in resolutions, but the strong act. Life is but a day's work--do it well. The act is ours; the consequences God's.

~JAB

 

[Wolfman1982]

uplifting something, still smells of something along the lines of the race teachings of Nazism.

 

[JABcomix]

uplifting something, still smells of something along the lines of the race teachings of Nazism.

Well unlikely, because the Nazi's were only concerned with uplifting the German people and destroying the rest of the world. They put themselves above all others. In essence, they became corrupt and cosmically insane. To say that you want to uplift the world as a whole is not at all Nazism. On the contrary, Hitler would roll around in his grave if you were to tell him that all people of the world had the potential of superiority. Like I said before, don't hate the hammer just because a bad person once used it.

~JAB

 

[Wolfman1982]

Jab:

Okidoki I am back after my dentist appointment with no cavities , but a lot of dental calculus. Jab let me give you an example, just because you can maybe get schizophrenia, then it does NOT mean you automatically get it. Cause there are too many factors to round it down just to a test.

But I understand the reason, why you will abort a birth of a down syndrome foetus. But that has nothing to do with genes, but to do with again a load of factors. One of them is a chromosome error. and all that jazz,

I have Asbergers Syndrome , and I was one of the "first generation" Danish Asbergers , and I have been through the system . As if I was a psychological handicapped person. Which I am NOT ! but back then, everything with a quirk , and a diagnose went through the machinery, and came out more or less okay after wards. Should I have been an abortion if they could test for that back then ? That is what , and why I am wondering about all these things in the world.

here is the lyrics world to a song named Plastic World by the Swedish electro band Colony 5

If you have lost the genetic lottery
If you have had an unfair start
You no longer need to improve your personality
We have the means
It's our specialty, actually

Don't compensate -- imitate
Don't compensate -- operate

A Plastic World
Everyone wants a model look-alike
A Plastic World
No one cares how you look inside

First step -- immorality
Next step -- immortality

Next chapter -- design your own child
All you need is fantasy
Inspiration is all around, in every magazine
We have the means
It's our specialty, actually

Don't compensate -- imitate
Don't compensate -- operate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o91nfl-Y3O4

Cause we can already choose by the current technology your future child to become blonde, blue eyed .. real "Arian" looking like quite a few Scandinavians look like.

 

[JABcomix]

Wolfman, you're talking about hypotheticals. Obviously you were not aborted. Those children who may or may not be born don't even exist yet. How is it that you are so worried about something that doesn't exist? Also, you make it sound as though they are going to put incompetent fools at the helm of such project. If humanity were ever to join forces to study and venture into such and undertaking, they will have to get the best of the best to lead this. If not, then it should fail because it is not meant to be. However, whenever you use yourself as an example as to why Eugenics should not be administer, it is always a false argument because we have not yet lived under a world of mass scale Eugenics and the children of such a world have not been born yet. Think about it, every time you masturbate, you are destroying sperm cells that could have been a human. Do you feel bad then? The same applies to children that are not born yet. The future is not set. We make our future. Tomorrow you can be in a horrible accident that takes your penis away, stopping you from ever having children. You think a future son that you could have had is pissed because he never got a chance to be born? How could he be mad if he doesn't exist. So all this stuff is hypothetical.

As for everybody being blonde and blue eyed. Well, that wont happen if the Eugenics program is worldwide. I'm talking about cultural integrity, not cultural assimilation.

~JAB

 

[Wolfman1982]

Okay Jab, good word again.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Diversity is good. No one is saying this race or that race is better. What I am saying is, get the Crème de la Crème of each race and then start uplifting the genetic stock within each group. I mean, think about it in these terms: Would you mix a perfectly healthy dog with a dog that has a long history of illness in it's breed and expect a much healthier dog out of that? Of course not!

Well unlikely, because the Nazi's were only concerned with uplifting the German people and destroying the rest of the world. They put themselves above all others. Like I said before, don't hate the hammer just because a bad person once used it.

Wolfman, you're talking about hypotheticals. Obviously you were not aborted. Those children who may or may not be born don't even exist yet. How is it that you are so worried about something that doesn't exist? Also, you make it sound as though they are going to put incompetent fools at the helm of such project. If humanity were ever to join forces to study and venture into such and undertaking, they will have to get the best of the best to lead this. If not, then it should fail because it is not meant to be. However, whenever you use yourself as an example as to why Eugenics should not be administer, it is always a false argument because we have not yet lived under a world of mass scale Eugenics and the children of such a world have not been born yet.

Just WOW! I don't even know where to start on this, other than to say you are so VERY wrong in your thinking. What you are proposing is nothing less than world wide institutionalized prejudice. The Crème de la Crème? Now who gets to decide who THEY are? The politicians? The leaders of the different organized religions? The Moguls of the biggest corporations?

You can bet your bottom dollar the "Creme" won't have any LGBT's in it if they ever isolate the "gay gene".

BTW, don't be whacking at people for using hypotheticals, dude. Your entire premise is hypothetical. As for your comment in support of "selective breeding" - "don't hate the hammer just because a bad person once used it", I'd respond with "You don't choose your family. They are God's gift to you, as you are to them." (BTW, I didn't say that. Those were Desmond Tutu's words)

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Holy crap! did I just agree with and defend Wolfman1982? What the hell is this world coming to???

 

[JABcomix]

Why are you so angry?

 

[Safe_Bet]

Why are you so angry?

I don't know... Why are you so condescending?


"Sweetie", there wasn't any anger there, so stop trying to make it appear so (thereby discounting my point), just because I disagreed with you.

Oh, nice on topic response, BTW. I really appreciate it when people don't respond to content but resort to personal attacks instead...

 

[JABcomix]

I don't know... Why are you so condescending?


"Sweetie", there wasn't any anger there, so stop trying to make it appear so (thereby discounting my point), just because I disagreed with you.

Oh, nice on topic response, BTW. I really appreciate it when people don't respond to content but resort to personal attacks instead...

There you go again, getting all angry. I simply asked that because from the looks of your response, you saw my discussion with Wolfman as hostile and it was anything but hostile. I assumed you came in with anger because any reasonable person would simply see a back and forth discussion. However, you thought I was "whacking" the guy.

I respect Wolfman's opinion and I was simply stating my point of view.

You also have the right to state your point of view and to tell me that I am wrong. However, I would have to disagree with you that Eugenics is hypothetical. It's being used in animals, such as horses and dogs.

They already know that it works.

One of the problems that comes up with Eugenics is this emotional response. If you read the whole thread, you would have seen that I had already discussed this with Wolfman. But seeing as how you brought up a particular point that is near and dear to your heart, I shall discuss it now. Your concern is that there are going to be a selective few that will determine our fates and that they may act in a discriminative manner. Now what can I say to that? That is always the possibility when you're dealing with flawed individuals. Human beings have a great potential for becoming corrupt and when given this much power, it could corrupt absolutely. However, I tend to believe that there exist within humanity the capacity for love, goodness, truth and beauty. I believe that we can overcome our tendencies for corruption and discrimination and honestly tackle the problems of the future. Now, that being said, I don't believe that they would even attempt to isolate a "gay gene" , as you say. I don't even think it exist. What I do believe in is, if let's say, a Eugenics program is underway and a future child of the Eugenics program turns out gay. For starters, that person would most likely be monogamous. Be you straight or gay, if you're fucking like rabbits and fucking everything that comes your way, then you are basically acting like a fucking animal. That's what animals do, fuck. Hell, I've seen animals fuck their own progeny. Some humans do that too. Now, Eugenics will most likely get rid of this sort of degenerate way of thinking. Now don't tell me you're going to defend incest and claim that it's a way of life and I have no right in saying anything about it?

So if a lesbian were ever to come out of a Eugenics program, she will most likely be the best Goddamn lesbian the world has ever seen.

Look, nothing is being taken away from you. Eugenics doesn't take away things. What it does is combine the best traits in human beings. Now I can argue that you are being discriminative against good genes, can't I?

Also, your response to my "hammer" analogy made no sense whatsoever. Eugenics is a tool, hence the "hammer". Of course you don't choose who your family is. I never made an argument against that. The argument that I was making is that we CAN choose how our children will fare in a future environment by selective breeding. The children born out of Eugenics will still be our children. Only they will have an advantage that none of us had. You are basically saying that humans don't deserve that. I would disagree with you on that for the mere reason that I do not want eternal war on this earth and I want humanity to solve all it's problems. If we constantly handicap the future by our selfish acts, what type of world are we going to leave our children? Look, we've already made a fucking mess with this whole Global Warming thing. We acted selfishly and this is the consequence. If you want to continue to act selfishly, be my guest. However, history will judge us and see that we had the opportunity to change things, but instead squandered it because we were too selfish and we liked the way things were.

Now as for your last point, I did respond to the subject of this thread long ago. Go back and read. I'm done with that, unless you want to discuss it. Somebody wanted to discuss Eugenics because I had mentioned it, so here we are. This thread simply evolved into this. There is nothing wrong with that.

So, just how this thread has evolved, I want humanity to evolve. Evolution and selective breeding is sound science. In fact, selective breeding is part of evolution.


-JAB

 

[Etoile]

Now why would you think that? I was actually agreeing with you woman. I mean what I say and I say what I mean. Unless you are ChivoPig, I will not use sarcasm with you.

Besides, I was simply making the point a little more dramatic.

Whew...I just couldn't tell if it was sarcasm or seriousness! Glad we are on the same page (even if we are WAY off topic LOL)

 

[Wolfman1982]

S_B: the reason why you perhaps agreed with me, is that I am NOT all bollocks and gibberish. I could perhaps have some common sense in me.

Etoile is this not thread evolution ? where we started with an anti campaign, where I actually fucked it up. But at the same time, the thread evolved afterwards, when it had settled down ?

 

[JABcomix]

Whew...I just couldn't tell if it was sarcasm or seriousness! Glad we are on the same page (even if we are WAY off topic LOL)

Well, I'm glad that you didn't fly off the handle for a perceived slight. You have a good head on your shoulders.

~JAB

 

[Wolfman1982]

Jab: it is no wonder why, I admire her. In her moderating style, and I aim for the same. But since I am a moderator some where else where probably all the members are men. Then I can't use the same methods. And also I see Etoile as a teacher, so I try to learn from her.