Are acts of service sexual?

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catalina_francisco said:
I do not see it as being submissive unless the persons you are subservient to are actually dominating.

I had a rather long winded response all figured out in my head, and then I read this statement and it took me in another direction altogether. (Luckily, it was a response in my head still, and not on the page.) Although I can see now, that this is the direction I was trying to get at originally.

Sometimes we (submissives) 'forget' the Dominance part on the equation. It's the counterpoint to our nature. The fact that we may give (and sometimes ill-advisedly) is part of the reason we respond so well to structure, dominance and boundaries. We consciously or unconsciously *know* that we *do* better in our lives if we have guidance and dominance in our lives. It is more than the psycho-sexual kink; it is all about the core nature of some submissives.

I have a highly eroticized sense of service to one who is dominating me. Service is erotic to me under those conditions. Yes, that means even doing the ironing can be erotic to me at times. Not always, but service to a Dominant is highly charged for me because of the Dominance present--NOT just because I am service oriented person. (which I am BTW) Put the two elements together and, yep, I'm wet.

I have been, at times, a highly skilled executive, but I approached my job from a service POV. I was providing a service to the company, and I provided service (in the form of consistent management) to those under me. Even though I was in charge, I considered it service. But, it was not erotic to me, and had nothing to do with being a submissive in a D/s sense.

I admit I respond to dominant men. I can feel myself change internally sometimes after only a few words are spoken by a dominant man. I'm in tune with it, and recognize when the two parts are present--my submissive nature and his dominant nature. Like the pieces of a puzzle falling into place.

When I am single it is a wonderful kind of flirting that I find quite enjoyable. When I am in a D/s relationship, I find it to be like an early warning system. Something that warns me of boundaries that must be erected so I am not inadvertently submitting to one other than my Master.

Francisco has put it so well, so succinctly, and it actually took my breath away in its simplicity and truth. Service is highly erotic to me in all its forms, when it is in response to dominance. Service which springs from my own character or manner, is not erotic. I do not consider all forms of service to be submissive acts, but I do consider all service to one who dominates me to be a submissive act. The former falls under the heading of being a giving human being, while the latter is D/s.

VERY interesting turn in this discussion, I find this to be such an interesting nuance of service. It's something I think I will be pondering for a while. Thank you to everyone in this thread, but particularly to Francisco for the clarity his comments brought me.

~ cait
 
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Caitlynne said:
I admit I respond to dominant men. I can feel myself change internally sometimes after only a few words are spoken by a dominant man. I'm in tune with it, and recognize when the two parts are present--my submissive nature and his dominant nature. Like the pieces of a puzzle falling into place.

When I am single it is a wonderful kind of flirting that I find quite enjoyable. When I am in a D/s relationship, I find it to be like an early warning system. Something that warns me of boundaries that must be erected so I am not inadvertently submitting to one other than my Master.

Francisco has put it so well, so succinctly, and it actually took my breath away in its simplicity and truth. Service is highly erotic to me in all its forms, when it is in response to dominance. Service which springs from my own character or manner, is not erotic. I do not consider all forms of service to be submissive acts, but I do consider all service to one who dominates me to be a submissive act. The former falls under the heading of being a giving human being, while the latter is D/s.~ cait

This was so well put. I've been mulling over the change in this thread, and I know that when I feel myself responding in such a way to a dom, I take it as a warning. It means that i need to leave him alone, and put up some serious boundaries. While I think it's ok to serv someone other than my husband/dom, if i'm doing it for sexual reasons, or to fulfill my submissiveness, it's not[.i] ok. Those are things that are for K, and just for K. Of course this is just for me, what's ok for others is between them and their dom/me.

Now if I was single, I don't know what I'd do, or if I'd consider this ok. But it's moot point, I'm not single, and unless something drastic happens, I won't ever be.
 
sexual service?

i have no doubt there are people that can make anything sexual.
me though......

no.
nothing i do for anyone is sexual......but then,..
i'm the exception to the lifestyle.........and i am self celebate.

garylee
 
Interesting thing. :)

I dont think things can be divided in purely sexual and purely unsexual. Personally I feel that many "unsexual" ones affect to "sexual" ones and vice versa.

Lets face it. You get some kind of lightly sexually related pleasure when talking with a person that turns you on - even if you wouldnt talk about anything sexual. Also you might get same kind of pleasure when talking about sexual things with someone you dont find turn on. So could chatting normal things with your attractive co-worker be considered as cheating?

Am I making any sense? I know that doing services is a bit more than just chatting but still... they sounded clearly unsexual as acts, they might have some subtle meanings for all parties involved but so can many less obvious things have too.

I think it all comes to decision inside relationship...
 
Re: sexual service?

garylee said:
i have no doubt there are people that can make anything sexual.
me though......

no.
nothing i do for anyone is sexual......but then,..
i'm the exception to the lifestyle.........and i am self celebate.

garylee

I would hardly say you're the exception to the lifestyle, simply because there aren't many here with your particular bent. This board is a tiny little subset of the BDSM community as a whole, which includes all sorts of relationships, including those like yours.

It's a little silly to think you're the one and only in a larger subject that encompasses the entirety of the world.

But that said, I have to disagree that allowing your submission to express itself by performing a task for a friend/family member/etc is 'cheating' on your Dominant.. or maybe C just isn't particularly insecure about whom I belong to in my mind and heart. The fact that it satisfies a part of my nature to do something for others doesn't mean I'm giving my submission to them instead of C. Nor would I term cleaning the floor without being asked for my mother in law after she mentions it needs cleaning as being 'involving her in BDSM without her consent'. :D

I do feel in agreement, though, that the circumstances of the service are what make it sexual or not for me. I am not, for instance, at all aroused by cleaning the toilets. But if C sets me to do it, specifically, as a task he wants me to do right that moment simply because it's what he wants from me, that might arouse me in the mindset of doing something to please him.
 
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