Aren't women, by definition, submissive in nature?

[FurryFury]

I agree...people are people.

*blushes* I feel like such a newbie. I will have to remember this about WD from now on.

Ivy

I love the pussy in your av!

*smiles*

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

Well, you know a thread is good when it brings in people who never post in this forum.

I just wanted to liven things up a little. Don't get your fucking panties in a wad.

But from my avatar you see my panties are a cat.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Baaaaaah...
The mating of the dreaded common sense ilk.

There are more people that follow then lead no matter their sex.

 

[Alt]

I love the pussy in your av!

*smiles*

I'd love to BE the pussy in the avatar!

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Ok...be the pussy.

I'd love to BE the pussy in the avatar!

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

I'd love to BE the pussy in the avatar!

um...which one?

 

[Alt]

um...which one?

You know, you could start a whole new thread with such a question.

In the meantime, I'll just keep purring along.

 

[BiBunny]

I'm bisexual and a switch. All that tells me is that I have a complete inability to make up my damn mind.

 

[WriterDom]

But from my avatar you see my panties are a cat.

I see that. I wanted to pet your pussy but I'm afraid it bites.

 

[satindesire]

This really argues the question 'nature vs nurture', doesn't it? Although a lot of people here have railed against the gender roles that 'society' has enforced upon us, no one has discussed that possibly, gender roles could be ingrained within us by default, as part of our genetic makeup.

I do know that "all generalizations are false" but there is something to be said about that argument. I find that there are many more women that are willing to be stay-at-home mothers, so-called 'traditional' wives, than not.

I'm not saying all women are submissive, but I am saying that quite a few of us are more apt to take on a more feminine role in life, doing things that some people might espouse to be 'submissive'. It's my own personal opinion that given the differences between the wiring of men and women, it's very common and natural to see these 'gender roles' played out, and I don't really see anything wrong with it.

The opinions of those people who believe women are somehow weaker or 'less than' men, however, ARE wrong, in my eyes...equality and sameness are two different things.

 

[skittles_lm]

I'm bisexual and a switch. All that tells me is that I have a complete inability to make up my damn mind.

I'm with you. I can be whatever I want, right?


when VQ tells me I can , of course...

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

I see that. I wanted to pet your pussy but I'm afraid it bites.

Nawwww, you just have to let her sniff your fingers first to get used to your scent. She is a cat though so you'll never know until you try right?

 

[Alt]

Ooh, that's a risk worth taking. But I'm a catperson, so...!










a little rub under the chin never hurt, either.

 

[GentleSub_Ivy]

This really argues the question 'nature vs nurture', doesn't it? Although a lot of people here have railed against the gender roles that 'society' has enforced upon us, no one has discussed that possibly, gender roles could be ingrained within us by default, as part of our genetic makeup.

I do know that "all generalizations are false" but there is something to be said about that argument. I find that there are many more women that are willing to be stay-at-home mothers, so-called 'traditional' wives, than not.

I'm not saying all women are submissive, but I am saying that quite a few of us are more apt to take on a more feminine role in life, doing things that some people might espouse to be 'submissive'. It's my own personal opinion that given the differences between the wiring of men and women, it's very common and natural to see these 'gender roles' played out, and I don't really see anything wrong with it.

The opinions of those people who believe women are somehow weaker or 'less than' men, however, ARE wrong, in my eyes...equality and sameness are two different things.

Since I believe I am submissive by nature I can't argue the point that it is just the way I might be wired. My point earlier was that there seems to be compartments we are meant to fit in. At least in my experience with friends and family that is how it was. My family wanted me to be more traditional and my friends wanted me to be more of a "I am woman hear me roar" type. I'm neither one. I've since found new friends and don't spend much time with my family. I'm submissive but I like making my own living and making my own decisions.

I think more men would admit their submissiveness and more women their dominance if it was seen as "okay" by them to do so. A lot of people are "wired" a certain way but I still think there are deeply ingrained societal ideas surrounding gender roles. I'm sure it is different in different parts of the country and becoming more acceptable for people to be themselves whether dominant or submissive.

Ivy

 

[WriterDom]

I'm a cat person too.

 

[Netzach]

Well, 26% of the world is Muslim. And their women are about as submissive as they come.

Biblical view of women
The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

"The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position a wife occupied in the great countries round about... all the texts show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance... A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession."

-Roland de Vaux, archaeologist and priest

Uh huh.

And then there's how a lot of people actually LIVE. You can't make assumptions about 26 percent of the world based on 26 percent of that. I know a lot of US muslims who are moderately religious. Being Semitic, Mom invokes fear and Dad lives at the store or office - we have so much in common it's probably why we're trying to kill each other.

Do you actually know any Muslims? If you read the data on the US you'd think we were all radically right wing Christians with large cars.

Japanese women are also incredibly submissive. Ask a Japanese guy about his Mom and you will likely hear another story.

Anthropology 101 spells it out: every society has norms. No individual conforms to them perfectly, everyone has to pick their way around how they deviate, some more than others. And what people SAY they do and what they DO are often amazingly opposed.

 

[Netzach]

I don't think it has anything to do with faking it. I don't fake being a strong dominant woman in my day to day life, I simply fill a need. Someone has to be in charge for things to get done correctly. Allowing myself to let go and enjoy someone else being in complete control in one of the reasons I enjoy submission.

Right.
But a lot of people argue vehemently that this is their "authentic" self, versus what happens at work or with the kids or whatever.

 

[Netzach]

I find that there are many more women that are willing to be stay-at-home mothers, so-called 'traditional' wives, than not.

It's a minority in the circles I travel in. I think it's growing but I think it's a pendulum swing back from the last number of decades and really just another short attention span trend, sadly, the way being super working robot mother was chic circa 1985. Most people can't afford to do that, or don't feel they can, anyhow. I don't really understand how staying at home and raising your children is especially submissive either - sure it CAN be, but it can also be something your husband doesn't elect but caves into, busting his nuts at work because it's what you wanted. Most of the SAHM scenarios I am familiar with follow that script much more closely than "father knows best".

 

[Ebonyfire]

To
Oh, and for every male Dom posting here there are like 80million in my face wanting to be spit on - I don't know if that makes them submissive but I do know it means men are not "naturally" dominant.

I certainly agree with this statement. I have found that most men I have met who are could be considered "naturally dominant" are more accurately "naturally assertive", which in my mind means something all all together different.

 

[Netzach]

I certainly agree with this statement. I have found that most men I have met who are could be considered "naturally dominant" are more accurately "naturally assertive", which in my mind means something all all together different.

And I have to re-iterate, if you are praised for assertiveness as a kid on up, rewarded for assertiveness - what's natural and what's not becomes really blurry. I was - it's cultural in my case. I don't think I got it in a vacuum.

 

[myinnerslut]

i dontknow if more women are submissive then men, but society certainly seems to tell us that is more OK for women to be submissive then men

 

[Ebonyfire]

And I have to re-iterate, if you are praised for assertiveness as a kid on up, rewarded for assertiveness - what's natural and what's not becomes really blurry. I was - it's cultural in my case. I don't think I got it in a vacuum.

I have the opposite experience. My assertiveness was always punished, however I never let it stop me. My assertiveness was always called aggression, but I knew differently. I knew that assertiveness in a black woman was not only discouraged. I found that most people preferred black women to be complaint. I have never been compliant.

 

[Ebonyfire]

i dontknow if more women are submissive then men, but society certainly seems to tell us that is more OK for women to be submissive then men

I have always thought that they did not care if women were submissive or not, as long as they were compliant.

 

[katteon]

I have the opposite experience. My assertiveness was always punished, however I never let it stop me. My assertiveness was always called aggression, but I knew differently. I knew that assertiveness in a black woman was not only discouraged. I found that most people preferred black women to be complaint. I have never been compliant.

I am not a black woman, I am a white woman, and I have had similar experiences to what you described my entire life...My assertiveness and confidence has often resulted in men, even colleagues at times...trying to put me in my place ...

...Today, I recognize there is apart of me that desires to be submissive that may possibly be inherent, instinctive if you will...But only a man, Dom or Master, that cherishes and pleasures in who I am and earns my respect and trust would I willingly submit too...hmmm...

I can only speak for myself...but at this time, I know I am submissive....and the feelings I have are simple, natural, raw, like an awakening truth in my life.... and that it is a good thing...
Kat

 

[Ebonyfire]

I am not a black woman, I am a white woman, and I have had similar experiences to what you described my entire life...My assertiveness and confidence has often resulted in men, even colleagues at times...trying to put me in my place ...

...Today, I recognize there is apart of me that desires to be submissive that may possibly be inherent, instinctive if you will...But only a man, Dom or Master, that cherishes and pleasures in who I am and earns my respect and trust would I willingly submit too...hmmm...

I can only speak for myself...but at this time, I know I am submissive....and the feelings I have are simple, natural, raw, like an awakening truth in my life.... and that it is a good thing...
Kat

That is all any of us can do...speak for ourselves. Well put.