As I'm reading, I find I do not understand something.

[KoPilot]

Isn't there a thread...possibly started by Keroin, where the question is whether BDSM authors have any sort of responsibility to present the acts truthfully in terms of consequences, etc?

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[bhndblueyes88]

Online especially, most people don't - because BDSM and D/s is some hawt fantasy land /porn thing, not reality. As I mentioned in another thread. there's far more D/s stuff I don't do, than do do - yet I identify as a submissive/masochist type person. (IMO) It isn't so much about being into BDSM or not, as being into the fantasy of BDSM or not.

>_> That is irritational. I'm aware that is not a word. I am declaring it one. It means irritated with the lack of rational processing in humanity. blagh. *grumble*

and why is my hamster chirruping at me. *glares* fine fine your little fuzzy ass can come out. *throws hands up* BACH! ANIMALS!!! PEOPLE!!! HUMBUG!!!!

*grumble* Why must I only have tequila on the nights I want whisky.

 

[teknight]

-coughCollar6cough-

http://imgross.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/036602079175.jpg
There ya go. Link?

 

[teknight]

>_> That is irritational. I'm aware that is not a word. I am declaring it one. It means irritated with the lack of rational processing in humanity. blagh. *grumble*

and why is my hamster chirruping at me. *glares* fine fine your little fuzzy ass can come out. *throws hands up* BACH! ANIMALS!!! PEOPLE!!! HUMBUG!!!!

*grumble* Why must I only have tequila on the nights I want whisky.

Wait. The rest of humanity's irrationality you're OK with...but this sets you off?

And, more importantly, what do you drink whiskey wise?

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[bhndblueyes88]

Wait. The rest of humanity's irrationality you're OK with...but this sets you off?

And, more importantly, what do you drink whiskey wise?

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Oh don't worry. most of humanity's irrationality sets me off after a certain point I don't demand we are Spock-like rational, but most of the time it feels like we're on the total opposite end of the spectrum and it irritates me.

As far as Whisky goes, I don't really have a particular preference, mostly because my budget is not high enough to allow much indulgence in my alcohol. Please never ask me to choose between Scotch and Bourbon, because I like them both so very much for their respective flavors...

awwwww why was i ever angry at the little fuzzy fellow. he's so cute as he scampers about my room. little bastard fuzz ball <3

 

[BiBunny]

As far as Whisky goes, I don't really have a particular preference, mostly because my budget is not high enough to allow much indulgence in my alcohol. Please never ask me to choose between Scotch and Bourbon, because I like them both so very much for their respective flavors...

I just keep liking you more and more.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Not by any of you lot I just don't like to offend people (although I tend to do so without thinking)

I dunno. I suppose, oh, like some of the suggestions like drinking a bunch salt water or vaginal administration of wine or whatever. It just strikes me as if people don't actually THINK about the health consequences of such suggestions, which I don't understand. I mean, I'd be pissed as hell if my boyfriend thought that little of my well being, no matter what he's called in private!! But, as I said, I could just be hyper-aware of such risks due to my education, and I'm also not as in to BDSM most people here are, I'm sure.

Well, you'll notice that people often point out that it's a bad idea, when these things come up...

 

[DVS]

Yes, there was/is a thread about ideas in stories and author responsibility, etc. but I don't have a link. It is here in this forum, somewhere.

If what happens in stories is at the crux of any of this, all I can say is stories are fiction and should be treated as such. True, there are some acts in stories that don't mention the need for protection but it's difficult for the writer to include these things without it causing the plot to suffer.

OK, one might wonder if any porn story has a plot, but some do. The higher level of porn story is actually considered erotica and those do have plots and developed characters. But, they do still have the same basic acts that a porn story will have, and as such, will also include unsafe, unclean and down right stupid acts for the sake of the subject matter.

I have one story that I've put a disclaimer at the beginning of, just because I know there are people out there who take these stories seriously, just like people think actors really are the characters they play on screen. There just comes a time when you have to let life take care of itself and not worry about every little urchin out there who might get hurt by trying something in a story. There is a limit to PC.

I'm not into blood or anything that has needles or knives involved. Ew! This includes most medical play acts. While the basic theme sounds interesting, the blood and needles weren't. And being suspended by hooks a la "A Man Called Horse" doesn't appeal to me, although I'm sure that those who do partake in such enjoyments make sure everything is sterile.

Shit, I don't even want a tattoo or piercing, so I'm really on the wrong road. Not that there's anything wrong with those things, but infections can happen when they aren't done correctly.

There have been threads on this and other forums that talk about things that I would never EVER attempt, but because there is such a wide range of the sexually perverse that you just say to yourself "if they are consenting adults, who am I to say they are wrong?"

I've also seen pictures of some very strange things and just chuck it up that the human mind is a very weird puppy. I mean...you put a whole bowling pin where?

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Isn't there a thread...possibly started by Keroin, where the question is whether BDSM authors have any sort of responsibility to present the acts truthfully in terms of consequences, etc?

Damn. Took all of three minutes to get to page five of the Talk threads listing to find the thread, "The responsibility of the writer," initiated by Keroin.

 

[teknight]

Damn. Took all of three minutes to get to page five of the Talk threads listing to find the thread, "The responsibility of the writer," initiated by Keroin.

Hmmm...your blue writing had me fooled into thinking there wasn't a link.

Gracias, senor!

 

[KoPilot]

Link?

http://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/collar-6

You can skip to "Conclusion" at the bottom if you want. The story is basically... for a comic that advertises itself as BDSM, there was a lot of stuff going on "for the lols!" in the beginning that got people angry because it had no basis in reality.

 

[teknight]

http://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/collar-6

You can skip to "Conclusion" at the bottom if you want. The story is basically... for a comic that advertises itself as BDSM, there was a lot of stuff going on "for the lols!" in the beginning that got people angry because it had no basis in reality.

Ohhh. Gracias. I was confused since I'd said thread, not webcomic...and I don't keep up with all the existing BDSM comics.

 

[KoPilot]

Ohhh. Gracias. I was confused since I'd said thread, not webcomic...and I don't keep up with all the existing BDSM comics.

This one's the most popular and the most mainstream, I'm pretty sure.

 

[Homburg]

both discipline and punishment (and i don't find the difference to be purely semantic...they are quite different beasts) are vital elements of my relationship. too often punishment dynamics get a bad rap because of just the sort of thing you mention...people coming online and using the word "punishment" to mean "really fun kinda kinky thing i like to do," or just as bad...being seemingly punishment-obsessed and spending all their time making up new and yet more ridiculous things to subject someone to for the mildest of "infractions."

i do think it's a shame though that there isn't more discussion on the effectiveness of punishment within D/s, when properly implemented. it also sucks that so many have the assumption that punishment is used as a replacement for discipline or productive communication. the one point on where we agree...real punishment does tend to induce fear, however that too can be a positive. i fear my Master, but the fear is not what keeps me in line. it does help me maintain a humble and reverential mindset toward him, and for us that is vital.

This. I would hazard to guess that there's not more serious discussion simply because lingual drift has deflected the whole concept of "punishment" into the land of the ridiculous and absurd.

 

[FurryFury]

Example, please?

I don't understand why people punish, period. Punishment dynamics [generally] don't work; communication and personal responsibility [generally] does.

Amen!



Great post IMO!

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Damn. Took all of three minutes to get to page five of the Talk threads listing to find the thread, "The responsibility of the writer," initiated by Keroin.

Hmmm...your blue writing had me fooled into thinking there wasn't a link.

Gracias, senor!

If you look closely, you'll see that my navy text is slightly darker than the link color. Unless your color perception is a bit weak.

 

[Homburg]

If you look closely, you'll see that my navy text is slightly darker than the link color. Unless your color perception is a bit weak.

It also depends strongly on the graphics card and monitor that the colour is being viewed on. Blue is one of the colours that often underperforms on subpar systems.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

It also depends strongly on the graphics card and monitor that the colour is being viewed on. Blue is one of the colours that often underperforms on subpar systems.

Oh, sure, come in with the geek talk.

 

[teknight]

If you look closely, you'll see that my navy text is slightly darker than the link color. Unless your color perception is a bit weak.

When I posted I had just woken up, I was bleary eyed, etc. Excuse? No. Fact? Yup.
I didn't notice the difference.

It also depends strongly on the graphics card and monitor that the colour is being viewed on. Blue is one of the colours that often underperforms on subpar systems.

Hey! Insult me- go ad hominem if you gotta- but don't smack talk my laptop!

 

[SimonBrooke]

Or we dismiss some dangers as we don't think they apply to us, we can't really understand the risks, or are just plain ignorant.

Was that necessary?

People can make a reasonable assessment of risk, and decide that, for them, where they are in their life, that particular risk is worth taking, given the reward that's associated for them. It might not be worth taking for you where you are in your life, and that's fine. But don't make snide remarks about other peoples' choices.

 

[teknight]

Was that necessary?

People can make a reasonable assessment of risk, and decide that, for them, where they are in their life, that particular risk is worth taking, given the reward that's associated for them. It might not be worth taking for you where you are in your life, and that's fine. But don't make snide remarks about other peoples' choices.

Yes, it was necessary. People are generally capable of great many things, but a lot of factors have to come into play. You have to be informed (and get that information from a reliable source). You have to be cool and level headed if you're gonna estimate risk, 'cause, if you're thinking with your genitals, you're going to be off the mark in your estimate.

I'm sorry if you felt offended, but, fact is that no one knows everything, and the mere good faith assumption that one should be able to know what's good for them doesn't mean that they do.

Or are you saying all the smokers in the world accept the risk of cancer as just an acceptable consequence of smoking?

 

[Homburg]

Oh, sure, come in with the geek talk.

/shrug

Just sayin'.

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When I posted I had just woken up, I was bleary eyed, etc. Excuse? No. Fact? Yup.
I didn't notice the difference.

Hey! Insult me- go ad hominem if you gotta- but don't smack talk my laptop!

It's a dirty whore of a portable. It's filthy ports are sloppy with all the cables your machine has seen. Slutty thing has seen more laps than a housecat.

Dirty, dirty box.

 

[teknight]

/shrug

Just sayin'.

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It's a dirty whore of a portable. It's filthy ports are sloppy with all the cables your machine has seen. Slutty thing has seen more laps than a housecat.

Dirty, dirty box.

That'd actually be my previous laptop. Somehow I found pics of my roomie's gf on it. In the temporary internet folder. I dunno how they got there, and I 86'ed 'em pronto....but...if that's not a slutty laptop, I dunno what is.*

I'm being far more strict with this machine. It has a password-safe word and everything.

*No, I've never brought this up to either of them...sometimes ignorance is bliss.

 

[SimonBrooke]

As ownedsubgal points out, many people's BDSM practices seem risky to outsiders. Or are risky, even. That's just the way it is. That's also why BDSM folk have forums to themselves, so as not to have to deal with vanilla reactions to the things we like.

Things with no element of risk seem to me to be vanilla. Indeed, things which are vanilla often have some element of risk. For people with weak hearts, fucking at all is risky. Is that a reason for not doing it? A lot of my BDSM praxis involves activities involving risks: thought about, deliberately chosen risks.

I dunno. I suppose, oh, like some of the suggestions like drinking a bunch salt water or vaginal administration of wine or whatever.

Salt water isn't even bad for you. It's a necessary part of recovery from strenuous exercise - potassium salts are preferable to sodium salts, but you can drink a very great deal of salt water without harm. Many people who live on lower lying island groups never drink water we'd consider 'fresh', but it doesn't significantly affect life expectancy. Drinking six pints of sea-water strength salt water isn't pleasant, and if you have weak kidneys its probably not a good plan. But for a normal person in normal health, once in a while it won't hurt.

The vaginal administration of Mars bars and other sugary confectionery is not a good thing. I can say this with absolute confidence because I'm speaking from experience. I've done it, and my partner got uncomfortable thrush as a consequence. Not a good plan, don't go there. I've never poured or injected an alcoholic liquid into a vagina, because that seems to me potentially unwise - but I've poured quite a lot of champagne over the vulvas of partners, and sucked it off, and everyone concerned has greatly enjoyed that.

With any play involving foodstuffs and body orifices I've learned to be very careful of hygiene both before and afterwards, and I now avoid sugary things.. But human bodies are pretty robust and tolerant of foreign substances (for heaven's sake, I wash my genitals with soap, which is chemically much more aggressive than most foodstuffs, capiscin excepted). I think you're making a considerable fuss about nothing.

Simply making a single journey of any length in any motor car is a lot more dangerous than any activity discussed in this thread, yet we most of us do that every day.

 

[teknight]

Salt water isn't even bad for you. It's a necessary part of recovery from strenuous exercise - potassium salts are preferable to sodium salts, but you can drink a very great deal of salt water without harm. Many people who live on lower lying island groups never drink water we'd consider 'fresh', but it doesn't significantly affect life expectancy. Drinking six pints of sea-water strength salt water isn't pleasant, and if you have weak kidneys its probably not a good plan. But for a normal person in normal health, once in a while it won't hurt.

You're kidding about drinking sea water, right?
It's a bad idea. It will kill you.
Now, granted, tap water isn't just H20, and it has minerals, and what not, and you should, by all means replenish lost minerals. NaCl is fundemantal for the human body, but drinking sea water is a horrible idea.