As I'm reading, I find I do not understand something.

[midwestyankee]

It also depends strongly on the graphics card and monitor that the colour is being viewed on. Blue is one of the colours that often underperforms on subpar systems.

Then clearly some form of punishment is in order for systems that do not perform up to Master's expectations.

 

[SimonBrooke]

You're kidding about drinking sea water, right?
It's a bad idea. It will kill you.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm still alive. Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet - or at least, don't read it our of context. No-one has suggested drinking nothing but salt water over an extended period.

Now, granted, tap water isn't just H20, and it has minerals, and what not, and you should, by all means replenish lost minerals. NaCl is fundemantal for the human body, but drinking sea water is a horrible idea.

Certainly it's a horrible idea, that's why it would make an interesting punishment. But dangerous? Not so much.

 

[bhndblueyes88]

If she just had to drink some salt water, yes. If she had to drink in equal quantities to the amount she consumed in alcohol, then the danger would depend on her alcohol tolerance I suppose. Even if it wasn't "dangerous", it would be enormously upsetting to the GI tract to drink that much salt water, inducing vomiting or causing diarrhea, both of which do come with health risks, if mostly short term

Any way, it was just a recent example, since people pressed me for one. I do understand that part of the game is to cause a degree of discomfort and suffering, but I guess I just have to give the old "whatever floats your boat" to people who take it to visceral health risks.

 

[popcorn2721]

Wow! Someone might think that its about time osha's underwriters got into the bedroom to curtail unsafe practices...
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[teknight]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm still alive. Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet - or at least, don't read it our of context. No-one has suggested drinking nothing but salt water over an extended period.



Certainly it's a horrible idea, that's why it would make an interesting punishment. But dangerous? Not so much.

How much salt water did you drink?

 

[teknight]

Salt water isn't even bad for you. It's a necessary part of recovery from strenuous exercise - potassium salts are preferable to sodium salts, but you can drink a very great deal of salt water without harm. Many people who live on lower lying island groups never drink water we'd consider 'fresh', but it doesn't significantly affect life expectancy. Drinking six pints of sea-water strength salt water isn't pleasant, and if you have weak kidneys its probably not a good plan. But for a normal person in normal health, once in a while it won't hurt.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm still alive. Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet - or at least, don't read it our of context. No-one has suggested drinking nothing but salt water over an extended period.

You sort of did: "People can drink a very great deal of salt water without harm."
Or was that some creative license, since you're a better writer than Dan Brown?

 

[SimonBrooke]

How much salt water did you drink?

On a race in mountainous country in warm weather? About four to six litres (yes, that's litres, not pints) a day. About the same as any other racing cyclist - although obviously some drink more and some drink less. And yes, this is mainly potassium salts not sodium salts, so don't taste quite so bad. But the effects on the body are similar.

 

[teknight]

On a race in mountainous country in warm weather? About four to six litres (yes, that's litres, not pints) a day. About the same as any other racing cyclist - although obviously some drink more and some drink less. And yes, this is mainly potassium salts not sodium salts, so don't taste quite so bad. But the effects on the body are similar.

Yeah. Common usage has NaCl as salt (table salt), whereas KCl (Potassium salt) is a whole other matter. So, in conclusion: don't drink salt water (NaCl or sea water). It's bad for you, mkay?

 

[Keroin]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm still alive. Don't believe everything that you read on the Internet - or at least, don't read it our of context. No-one has suggested drinking nothing but salt water over an extended period.

Certainly it's a horrible idea, that's why it would make an interesting punishment. But dangerous? Not so much.

If she just had to drink some salt water, yes. If she had to drink in equal quantities to the amount she consumed in alcohol, then the danger would depend on her alcohol tolerance I suppose. Even if it wasn't "dangerous", it would be enormously upsetting to the GI tract to drink that much salt water, inducing vomiting or causing diarrhea, both of which do come with health risks, if mostly short term

Any way, it was just a recent example, since people pressed me for one. I do understand that part of the game is to cause a degree of discomfort and suffering, but I guess I just have to give the old "whatever floats your boat" to people who take it to visceral health risks.

Yeah. Common usage has NaCl as salt (table salt), whereas KCl (Potassium salt) is a whole other matter. So, in conclusion: don't drink salt water (NaCl or sea water). It's bad for you, mkay?

From someone who's done a fair amount of research on survival at sea...

The human body can tolerate drinking small amounts of sea water (no more than aprox 32oz/.95L per day) without causing kidney damage. It should be noted that this is the amount that can be consumed *safely* and safely does not equal *healthy*. Drinking sea water should be done only in survival situations and only when there is absolutely no other option. It is a VERY dangerous activity.

You can, BTW, drink the aqueous fluid in the eyes of fish, if you are lost at sea.

I would advise strongly against drinking salt water. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it is healthy for your body.

Just my opinion. Everyone here has different ideas of what is an acceptable risk.

 

[teknight]

You can, BTW, drink the aqueous fluid in the eyes of fish, if you are lost at sea.

I would advise strongly against drinking salt water. Just because it can be done doesn't mean it is healthy for your body.

Just my opinion. Everyone here has different ideas of what is an acceptable risk.

How many fish would you have to catch?!
And...isn't there moisture in fish tissue? Not that consuming raw fish willy nilly is a good idea.

As for assessing the worth of risk- sure. Everyone perceives risk differently, and assigns different values to it. However, mostly due to my training as an economist, I have to say that this risk assessment is tenuous at best, and the mere fact that one's past experience dictates that a risk is surmountable, doesn't make it so for future instances.
Having said that, I will admit I'm more risk averse than risk seeking, so my impressions are "tainted".

 

[midwestyankee]

How many fish would you have to catch?!
And...isn't there moisture in fish tissue? Not that consuming raw fish willy nilly is a good idea.

As for assessing the worth of risk- sure. Everyone perceives risk differently, and assigns different values to it. However, mostly due to my training as an economist, I have to say that this risk assessment is tenuous at best, and the mere fact that one's past experience dictates that a risk is surmountable, doesn't make it so for future instances.
Having said that, I will admit I'm more risk averse than risk seeking, so my impressions are "tainted".

As they say, "past performance is no guarantee of future success."

 

[bhndblueyes88]

On a race in mountainous country in warm weather? About four to six litres (yes, that's litres, not pints) a day. About the same as any other racing cyclist - although obviously some drink more and some drink less. And yes, this is mainly potassium salts not sodium salts, so don't taste quite so bad. But the effects on the body are similar.

That is an ENTIRELY different situation than someone having to consume equal amounts of salt water to the amount they drank of alcohol to get drunk.

As you were running in warm weather, you were EXPENDING water and electrolytes. And, as you said, consuming KCl which has different, if similar, biological effects on the body than NaCl.

I really hope you don't usually give advice based on such stark contrasts in situations.

 

[radepor]

I don't understand either, but I know this...

We human animals are, indeed, animals and once we are sufficently aroused sex hormones flood our brains/bodies and rational thought seems to ride shotgun while sex drive is in the drivers seat.

If you're an (S) Sadist, or an (M) Masochist, or (B)/(D), or whatever orientation; if you're male or female; the male or female hormones in our bodies drive us to hurt others or be hurt, whichever sensation propels us to sexual fulfillment. "Even if it hurts/damages/destroys" is not only acceptable, it may seem desirable.

It's hard to apply rational thought during irrational situations; and even harder to describe rationally.

If you ever acheive understanding, please share it.

I do not understand why people encourage punishments that are invitations to infectious disease, general illness, or long term physical damage. I'm sure part of my lack of understanding stems from learning so much about bacteria and disease in my courses and thus developing a degree of hyper-awareness, but it just does not make sense to me.

If you care for someone (emotionally and/or as a caretaker), why would you put them in that situation, regardless of your power dynamic?

It does not seem to be a smart thing to do and I do not understand.

 

[teknight]

We human animals are, indeed, animals and once we are sufficently aroused sex hormones flood our brains/bodies and rational thought seems to ride shotgun while sex drive is in the drivers seat.

If you're an (S) Sadist, or an (M) Masochist, or (B)/(D), or whatever orientation; if you're male or female; the male or female hormones in our bodies drive us to hurt others or be hurt, whichever sensation propels us to sexual fulfillment. "Even if it hurts/damages/destroys" is not only acceptable, it may seem desirable.

It's hard to apply rational thought during irrational situations; and even harder to describe rationally.

If you ever acheive understanding, please share it.

No, the hormones (and, btw, during sex it's not just hormones, but neurotransmitters as well acting to possibly inhibit your frontal cortex) don't drive you to hurt people. You can't just say "The hormones made me do it."
The sexual energy charges you up, but, to an extent (and depending on whether or not you're in tune with your partner, and can read their reactions) you can express it in many different ways. You can inflict pain or cause straight up pleasure- be rough or gentle, fast or slow.
Hurting/damaging/destroying as desirable options don't suddenly appear out of the blue 'cause your dick is hard/pussy is wet. Those are preferences that you have before the sexual act, proclivities you may or may not have acted upon.

Besides, actually hurting someone, to the point where you physically damage them...it's unlikely that you'll find a lot of such partners...and, even if you do, their mental state would be (and I would say "should be") considered suspect by society at large. Their consent (assuming it were to exist) wouldn't amount to anything. Have fun, be kinky, be rough, but be aware of what you're doing.