BDSM and club drugs.

[Betticus]

From my understanding of MDMA, it would actually make it rather lack-lustre. I have never taken it but have seen my best friend from high school and his slave at a rave and on exstacy and none of them could not be in the mind for any s/m or bondage play. They were satisfied just cuddling lots.

Think low dose!

 

[Xelebes]

On low dosage, you're still disoriented from the situation. Extra-cuddly and stuff.

I also guess it would be just like bondage and stuff after a couple drinks. Something I wouldn't feel comfortably doing.

 

[Betticus]

On low dosage, you're still disoriented from the situation. Extra-cuddly and stuff.

I also guess it would be just like bondage and stuff after a couple drinks. Something I wouldn't feel comfortably doing.

You said that you never took it.

 

[Xelebes]

I haven't taken it. Though I have witnessed people on varying dosages of the stuff - from etards and k-holes to the slightly tweaked.

 

[ammre]

You said that you never took it.

That dosne't mean that the effects arne't documented.

 

[Betticus]

I haven't taken it. Though I have witnessed people on varying dosages of the stuff - from etards and k-holes to the slightly tweaked.

There's no substitute for real world experience!

 

[Betticus]

That dosne't mean that the effects arne't documented.

The effects are documented but I haven't read anything on the actual effects of club drugs on bdsm. I can see the need to do some field research.

I'll need some club drugs, a submissive, rope, blindfold, house music, fog machine, various floggers, disco ball, vampire glove, strobe lights and some feathers.

 

[ammre]

The effects are documented but I haven't read anything on the actual effects of club drugs on bdsm. I can see the need to do some field research.

I'll need some club drugs, a submissive, rope, blindfold, house music, fog machine, various floggers, disco ball, vampire glove, strobe lights and some feathers.

So was this thread at all attempting to garner legitimate discussion or just more flirting for you?

 

[Betticus]

So was this thread at all attempting to garner legitimate discussion or just more flirting for you?

I can have both you know, a flirtacious yet legitimate conversation.

Things don't have to be black/white all the time. Take this concept of yours with having a submissive give control to me vs. having no choice. There is no room for the many shades of gray in between.

 

[Xelebes]

There's no substitute for real world experience!

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[neonflux]

Hey Betticus,

Just weighing in - I love the fantasy and can also understand wanting to share the experience you had with someone else. Would never trust anyone who made it reality without telling me about the drug before hand - and not, I think, only because I am more Dommie than subby by nature. Just being honest.

Neon

P.S., The other thing that I immediately thought of is that since you cannot guarantee the purity of what you're getting/giving, would you have anyway to control the sub's response or ensure that it was a good one???

 

[Betticus]

What's that supposed to mean?

It will have it's own meaning for you, based on who you are and what you believe.

 

[Betticus]

Hey Betticus,

Just weighing in - I love the fantasy and can also understand wanting to share the experience you had with someone else. Would never trust anyone who made it reality without telling me about the drug before hand - and not, I think, only because I am more Dommie than subby by nature. Just being honest.

Neon

P.S., The other thing that I immediately thought of is that since you cannot guarantee the purity of what you're getting/giving, would you have anyway to control the sub's response or ensure that it was a good one???

You know that feeling when you are playing someones body like a fine musical instrument. Every touch makes them moan, twitch, writhe in pleasure bordering on agony?

 

[neonflux]

You know that feeling when you are playing someones body like a fine musical instrument. Every touch makes them moan, twitch, writhe in pleasure bordering on agony?

I do. The idea of being responsible for creating that kind of magic is certainly attractive and exciting. And I would imagine that under the right circumstances E could definitely heighten the experience. I'm just not sure that you can guarantee that it would do so??? Particularly if the person wasn't expecting a drug-altered state of consciousness, if that makes sense? I would feel a little less uncomfortable if the person knew ahead of time about the drug, although again, it seems so hard to predict that things would turn out the way planned. For me, the possibility that they might go very wrong in a way I couldn't control would keep me from going there. Then again, I'm old enough to remember taking friends to the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic because they were experiencing a bad trip, and that was pretty scary stuff. Neon

 

[lil_slave_rose]

P.S., The other thing that I immediately thought of is that since you cannot guarantee the purity of what you're getting/giving, would you have anyway to control the sub's response or ensure that it was a good one???

either way He would not be able to 'control' her response. everyone has different responses to different things, and playing with drugs while scening is just plain silly not to mention dangerous. *shrugs*

 

[Betticus]

either way He would not be able to 'control' her response. everyone has different responses to different things, and playing with drugs while scening is just plain silly not to mention dangerous. *shrugs*

Drug induced altered states have a long history, if not in bdsm then in many other areas and the effects are known if you look in the right places.

I'll have to go and look up some info on the way that different cultures have used them.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Drug induced altered states have a long history, if not in bdsm then in many other areas and the effects are known if you look in the right places.

I'll have to go and look up some info on the way that different cultures have used them.

the effects what they are supposed to do, yes. but what they will do to any given person? no....there is no way you can know how someone is going to react to an 'drug induced altered state' even if they've done said 'drug induced altered state' before. every time can be different, and no matter the dose, it can be quite dangerous. for me, honestly, if Master were to put something in my drink (X or whatever) without me knowing about it, i would be very very upset and probably never trust Him again. SSC are what we live by, and if you're dropping pills in her drink, that kind of rules out almost all 3 of those things, but mostly, the C, assuming of course she doesn't know that you did it.

 

[Betticus]

the effects what they are supposed to do, yes. but what they will do to any given person? no....there is no way you can know how someone is going to react to an 'drug induced altered state' even if they've done said 'drug induced altered state' before. every time can be different, and no matter the dose, it can be quite dangerous. for me, honestly, if Master were to put something in my drink (X or whatever) without me knowing about it, i would be very very upset and probably never trust Him again. SSC are what we live by, and if you're dropping pills in her drink, that kind of rules out almost all 3 of those things, but mostly, the C, assuming of course she doesn't know that you did it.

You know, alcohol be a mind altering drug.

 

[MasterPhoenix]

You know, alcohol be a mind altering drug.

Yes, it is. I wouldn't play while drinking booze either, tho that is just Me.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

You know, alcohol be a mind altering drug.

yes, it is, and i wouldn't be in a scene with a Dom who was drinking, or if i were drinkin either. i think at that point safe and sane go out the window as they do 'alter' the way we think, therefore making a potential danger for both.

 

[Betticus]

You know, alcohol be a mind altering drug.

I must be tired. Can't even type this evening.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

I must be tired. Can't even type this evening.

*giggles* i wasn't gonna point that out

 

[Betticus]

yes, it is, and i wouldn't be in a scene with a Dom who was drinking, or if i were drinkin either. i think at that point safe and sane go out the window as they do 'alter' the way we think, therefore making a potential danger for both.

Scening can induce an altered state.

Pain can cause an altered state.

Foreplay can cause an altered state.

The aroma of fresh baked cookies causes an altered state to some extent.

Runners high is an altered state induced by exercise.

None of us are "SSC" at any point in time if we take reality to the extreme. No one is ever really safe. You can get hit by a meteorite, bitten by a disease infested bug, choke on a piece of food.

 

[Betticus]

*giggles* i wasn't gonna point that out

Umm... yeah... That was just my street cred showing through. I accidentally throw down some badass ebonics once in a while.

 

[lil_slave_rose]

Scening can induce an altered state.

Pain can cause an altered state.

Foreplay can cause an altered state.

The aroma of fresh baked cookies causes an altered state to some extent.

Runners high is an altered state induced by exercise.

None of us are "SSC" at any point in time if we take reality to the extreme. No one is ever really safe. You can get hit by a meteorite, bitten by a disease infested bug, choke on a piece of food.

*grins* i so love your posts, they make me smile. with that said, you're right these things DO cause an altered state, but they are not however DRUG induced, and using drugs in any form while dealing with edge play or any other form of BDSM activities, is just not smart. though maybe it's also because i just don't like the use of drugs...period.