Canes....Love 'em, Hate 'em, or Undecided?

[Heliocentric]

I've only had a cane used on me once...

I loved it.

There is just something about the way it stings... I don't know, but I'll gladly accept a caining.

Fine. Allright. I'll noisily complain as it's happening, but still...

 

[brokenhallelujah]

I like 'em. she hates 'em.

I dunno... maybe I have a nascent streak of sadism in me or something, but Sir Winston expressed exactly what I love about using a cane: the marks.

I haven't found anything else that marks remotely like a good piece of rattan, and the control is also really really nice. Canes go exactly where they are sent, which can't always be said for whips/floggers etc.

the problem I am having is that subbie hates canes. hates. won't let me near her with one. it's an *immediate* safeword inducer.

crops she doesn't have a problem with. I don't understand. it's really frustrating. and we have been at this for three years plus.

advice from the "other" side of the stick would be most welcome. recommmendations, stories, tips and pointers, please!

help!

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Re: I like 'em. she hates 'em.

I dunno... maybe I have a nascent streak of sadism in me or something, but Sir Winston expressed exactly what I love about using a cane: the marks.

I haven't found anything else that marks remotely like a good piece of rattan, and the control is also really really nice. Canes go exactly where they are sent, which can't always be said for whips/floggers etc.

the problem I am having is that subbie hates canes. hates. won't let me near her with one. it's an *immediate* safeword inducer.

crops she doesn't have a problem with. I don't understand. it's really frustrating. and we have been at this for three years plus.

advice from the "other" side of the stick would be most welcome. recommmendations, stories, tips and pointers, please!

help!

Have you thought about using a heavier cane....one with alot more *thump* than *whippiness*?? I still mark with the 12mm, and I love the thud of it. When we first started he would warm me up for a LONG time with the flogger first so I'd be nice and warm and fuzzy in subspace. He'd count....one two three four FIVE. And on the five, WHAP. Kept going with that rhythm. I got into it, and knew when that stroke would be coming. We had attended a caning demo, and that had been one of the techniques demonstrated.

Another method he uses is to do lots and lots of really light tapping with the heavy cane, I mean LOTS. A hundred plus strokes. As time goes on the strokes get a little heavier and heavier. I don't even notice, because of the endorphin release. By the end he's dropping them REALLY hard. Lovely marks.

I was always afraid of the cane. Now I love it.

Good luck.

~anelize

 

[Netzach]

I strongly dig JM's technique and that's the one I use if I want to give out a sensuous rather than a punishment caning. Lots of light tapping, increasing, backing off.

You also have to make the toy more netural with someone who's afraid of it or has a block...I might take it out and show it and use it ONLY as a teasing implement for a few scenes, only as something to be dragged over the body, you might have to do this for a year before it's not got crappy things associated with it...it may never come, but I think this is a crucial step.

If you lay a heavy one on, too, you have to give them time to process it, a lot more time than you might think, even though I've been caned enough to know I still sometimes go too fast to make the experience pleasureable. A cane stroke takes 5-6 sometimes 10 seconds to "settle" and for the more warm and savory sensations to follow the initial burn.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

<snip>If you lay a heavy one on, too, you have to give them time to process it, a lot more time than you might think, even though I've been caned enough to know I still sometimes go too fast to make the experience pleasureable. A cane stroke takes 5-6 sometimes 10 seconds to "settle" and for the more warm and savory sensations to follow the initial burn.

For a sensual caning, I seldom if ever give more than four or five strokes a minute; sometimes as few as two or three. As Netzach says, the "process" time for a cane stroke is much longer than for other implements.

My general procedure is:

(1) Tap a number of times with the cane. This serves two purposes: it allows me to line the cane up precisely where I want it to impact; and it increases the sub's/slave's level of anticipation of the stroke. (This is pre-subspace. Once she's there, I no longer tap. She doesn't need it. I simply lay the cane on the point I want it to impact, then draw it back to strike.)
(2) Draw the cane back. Hold it for two to three seconds, sometimes longer. Depending on who the "target" is, I may count, as Anelize says her Dom/Master does.
(3) Strike. I do my best to keep the cane within five degrees of horizontal (perpendicular to the long axis of the body). Highly angled strokes run a serious risk of hitting areas that one does not want to strike.
(4) With a light cane (6-9 mm), I let it rebound immediately. Moderate to heavy (10-15 mm), the cane rebounds less and I don't draw my wrist back as much as with lighter canes. Different weights of canes produce very different sensations, and part of that is their interaction with the flesh under them after the impact.
(5) Wait. Watch the initial whiteness of the flesh under the stroke turn pink, then red. If the strokes are heavy, watch the flesh swell and rise as the welt begins to form. Try not to hit that welt for several strokes - that can take most subs/slaves out of subspace faster than a bucket of ice water. Watch the sub's/slave's breathing and pulse rate if she's not in subspace. They're good hints as to when she's ready for the process to resume.

Begin again. As you can see, the process will take a minimum of 10-12 seconds, and often up to 30. But then, as a sensual sadist, there is so much for me to enjoy in the process - I want to absorb every detail, not rush through it as if it were a chore.

But then, that's me. As Richard says: Your mileage may vary.

 

[MysCynthia]

Hanson Paddle http://paddlewerks.com
They sell canes, paddles, floggers, etc...

I still have canes that I ordered from them 5 years ago.
They are priced right and of good quality.
There is also a cute little 4 minute sound bite you might like.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

I'm thinking of investing in a broom handle... might as well go all the way, right?

 

[shy slave]

The posts from anelize, Sir_W and Netz have made intersting reading adn I have told Master of this thread.

He has joined Lit He just can't remember under what name and asks me to direct Him to any threads i have found useful or insightful.

Anelize have you read Johnnys thoughts about broomhandles???

 

[catalina_francisco]

[B(5) Wait. Watch the initial whiteness of the flesh under the stroke turn pink, then red. If the strokes are heavy, watch the flesh swell and rise as the welt begins to form. Try not to hit that welt for several strokes - that can take most subs/slaves out of subspace faster than a bucket of ice water. Watch the sub's/slave's breathing and pulse rate if she's not in subspace. They're good hints as to when she's ready for the process to resume.

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LOL, now if I were one who went into subspace he would be sure to use that tactic to bring me back to where he wanted me...fully conscious and feeling every stroke and subsequent increase in pain. Fortunately I'm not, so he just uses the repetitive to the same area stuff to amuse himself and keep my attention focused. Regardless, I don't mark as I once did and though I am blazing red and swollen in minutes, after a session the marks fade as the hours pass and rarely stay overnight (even have the same problem with the bullwhip most times now). Our first ever cane session together left a mark on one stroke which lasted months, but seems my body has decided it is more fun to mark at the time and fade to non-existent so he can try all over again.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

I'm thinking of investing in a broom handle... might as well go all the way, right?

It's a rare JM sighting!! We have plenty of broom handles and all sorts of handles floating around the house with this renovating......you should come visit.

Catalina

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Anelize have you read Johnnys thoughts about broomhandles???

LOL. You never know what he'll really do. Keeps life interesting.

~anelize

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

You know, you can squeeze out a quick caning in about 15-25 minutes... as I just did. Good times, and you still have time to watch a movie!

 

[brokenhallelujah]

hmmm...

first of all, thank you to anellize and sir winston for the technicals...

I have considered going with a larger and "thuddier" cane for a while, but I thought it might be too intimidating, just the heft and diameter of it. intimidating to her, not me, I mean. but then again, that's what blindfolds are for, eh?

netzach was also quite perceptive and helpful in observing that "you also have to make the toy more netural with someone who's afraid of it or has a block [...] you might have to do this for a year before it's not got crappy things associated with it"

bingo. on the head. subbie had a caning experience in the past with a dom who didn't know what the fuck he was doing and really didn't give a damn.

so yeah, there's that to work against as well.

I have used canes quite a bit before, having a great deal of success with the "subject." this has just been a lot more difficult than I anticipated, and so I enjoy and appreciate the wonderful feedback, guys.

gotta check coordinates once in a while, y'know?

 

[catalina_francisco]

bump...

 

[MasterPhoenix]

I love the simplicity of using a cane.... very quick and subtle wrist movements have such an effect.

 

[FurryFury]

Undecided. When one is used on me, I'll have a better idea. The word fear comes to mind.