Caning Question

[serijules]

I've been caned with a dowel impromptu. It wasn't sucky but it wasn't as good as rattan. You just couldn't go as hard with it or as specific.

Me too. About 5 years ago or so. Still have the scars. She wasn't even using the damned thing that hard either.

I'll stick to rattan.

Prysm Creations makes a damn nice cane. I recently bought Ma'am some things called misery sticks from their website...they are basically some long very thin rods of who knows what that leave the most lovely lines painted on skin with little effort. I'm sure she'll enjoy them, lol.

 

[Netzach]

Never happen, heh. For one, I am a huge fan of the cane and have a competent partner as well as some very skilled partners in the past. I have no interest in feeling a dowel rod, nor would anyone in my circle ever allow it. I've made mistakes in what I allowed in the past to happen with me and a cane, it won't happen again.

I have dowel rods right here next to me, I use them for a craft I make...if I bend it, it snaps in half and leaves splinters flying.

Birching isn't caning. I'm talking about a proper caning, where a rod is used on usually bare skin with some amount of force. So your experience of using dowels as birching or anything else isn't relevant to what I'm talking about.

For what it's worth, you are the only person with experience I've met that considers a dowel rod usable as a cane.

Of course bamboo splinters, thus why only experienced caners usually use them. Rattan can break, no one is arguing that, but it won't happen nearly as easily or as dangerously as dowel rods if taken proper care of.

If I sound upset, it is because I am. I don't understand the logic of using a lesser quality and dangerous implement in place of something that is safer and wiser to use. Because it's cheap? Rattan canes give the same effect, safely.

I'm done with this thread. I don't usually get easily upset, but this upsets me. Sorry to drag the rest of the thread into it.

No, hon, I get it. I get this way about panic snaps. I can't DM because every time someone takes out a panic snap I want to punch them.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

If I sound upset, it is because I am. I don't understand the logic of using a lesser quality and dangerous implement in place of something that is safer and wiser to use. Because it's cheap? Rattan canes give the same effect, safely.

I'm done with this thread. I don't usually get easily upset, but this upsets me. Sorry to drag the rest of the thread into it.

While I would use any and all toys in my arsenal to inflict pain, I do not want to injure anyone I play with, seri. I take care of my play partners and my toys. I understand your own bad experience coloring your opinion, and I'm sorry that you are upset because my experience runs counter to your own. But your being upset doesn't change my personal experiences. The rods I use are not of "lesser quality" nor are they "dangerous", at least no more dangerous than any other toy in the toy bag. Even the bunny fur flogger I have could knock someone out if I were to bang 'em on the head with the handle...

I'm sorry you've had bad experiences with toys I use frequently, without incident or problem, and I happen to enjoy the beejeebers out of using. It's okay for your experiences to be different, for you to have a differing opinion, and to have strong feelings about the subject. I wish it didn't trouble you so, but in no way does your sharing your feelings and experiences here upset me or make me feel any less respect or concern for you. I know you want people to enjoy caning as much as you do, and that you want them to do so safely, using proper technique and toys.

As for my choice of material for some of my canes not being "wise", how about give a guy some credit here? It's not like I'm some wet-behind-the-ears, fresh-off-the-internet-farm noob. At this point I've got 9 years of fairly frequent and at times pretty dadgum intense play under my belt. I'll use pretty much anything that's sturdy enough to not break when I wail away on someone's behind to lay waste to said ass. I wave, shake, bend, whip-snap, beat on a bed and/or on my own thighs every weapon of ass destruction I own before I use it on another person. I know just how hard I can swing said toy without breaking it or the person I'm beating on.

I've had a few fail in testing (like a really pretty green round acrylic cane I was hoping to use, that broke right at the handle when I whip-snapped it) I've had some fail in use (the thin rattan and bamboo canes mentioned earlier). Fortunately, no one was injured by either of the in-scene failures. I had one of my fave paddles destroyed by a friend who popped it hard against his own hand. I know for a fact I'd hit asses harder than he hit his hand, but he was gripping it so his thumb was pressed against the back of the handle, instead of wrapped around it, it fractured just right and "SNAP!"... the handle was in his hand and the head went sailing that-a-way >>>>> ! Scratch one each - double textured paddle (bunny fur on one side, 60 grit sand paper on the other!). Toys do occassionally break, even tested toys and often used ones.

I don't know seri, I'm a general duty sadist, not a caning purist. And I've never been exposed to, or hung out with, any strictly caning enthusiasts. So I call pretty much anything that I use that I can wrap one hand around and swing comfortably, and it stays the same thickness or gradually narrows, and is more than 18 or so inches long a "cane." I would not be surprised if you or your friends were to consider several items in my "cane collection" to not be "canes". The 7/8" rattan (tiger-eye rattan at that) has no flex, no give at all, and is, in fact, an escrima stick, used in the Phillipino stick fighting martial art. There's the 1-3/16" oak rod, it is similar, though shorter, and I'm pretty sure I would break bones before the rod gave way. I've got a delrin sjambock too, I've always considered that a "cane" because it does get thin and mighty whippy at the end, even though I suppose it might be more properly called a "riot stick" since it's longer than a billy club or PR-24 (got some of those as well as walking staffs, including a quarterstaff...).

I've got a 1/4" x 1/4" thick square profile acrylic rod that was heated and twisted to give it a spiral pattern down it's entire length, it's kind of flexible and whippy ... the 3/4" acrylic rod done in the same spiral pattern though is just as stiff and inflexible as it's thicker rattan cousin... There's the 5/8" thick lexan yardstick. Well, it might be a meter stick... but that too is square in cross section. Don't know if you would call any of those canes, but I don't know what else to call them as a class of toy. Would calling them "rods" make a difference? If I were to plane/sand the corners down and round them off would they then become canes? I don't know...

I just know that bare bottoms being turned bright, bright red, and otherwise being marked, with my hands, paddles, birching bundles, rods, canes, sticks, clubs, floggers, shoes, hair brushes, fly swatters, and anything else that comes to mind (or hand), turn me on. I have happy, satisfied play partners who want to come back for more. What else is there to worry about?

And as always, I share what works for me and mine. Please feel free to use what ever works for you and yours, and discard the rest.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Being the lazy Domme that I am, I would rather buy my canes rather than make them. Which means my sub buys them...if you think about it makes sense cause it is his ass that will feel the pain...

 

[IsabellaKing]

WOW!

Great thread - incredibly informative. I never realised it was such a complex issue...but thin sounds good to me. I like the look of the ones with the curved handles - very headmasterly.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

I once took a caning which produced to loveliest of pink bottoms. It was sheer delight receiving it as well. If I can find the pick I'll post them. You would never know a cane was used.

Oh I squirm at the thought. I recall that the Dom who delivered the caning was a master with a cane and because it was my first time he went easy on me and educated me. He told me things like never let the tip of your cane extend beyond the target and in that way you prevent wrap around. He said the cane should be lifted up instantly upon contact another method of preventing wrap around. One should try and avoid hitting the same spot twice until you learn the nature and properties of the skin of the one being caned. He said many things most of which I don't recall...my mind was else where I guess.

I have to say when I see pics like those in SW's av, I think NO FUCKING WAY. But the ones in chicklets thread, then I think . . . well maybe.

 

[Lamont Cranston]

Thanks to all -- I'm making progress

Just wanted to say one more thank you to everyone who answered my questions and contributed to this thread -- and give you an update...

I still have Neonflux's shopping day on my calendar -- and I'm planning on being there. The reason that this thread came to mind today is that I just got delivery of the raw materials for my first few canes thanks to sources recommended by serijules. If nothing else it gives me the chance to have a hobby and turn them into toys (thanks Catalina) I want to learn how to use.

Those will be added to some items I purchased locally based on Sir W and EG's recommendations... Can you f'ing believe that I couldn't find a natural fiber cane to buy in San Fran F'ing Cisco? I don't want to restart any debates, but so far I've passed on the wood -- did buy a couple made from the modern plastics. Neonflux, I did pass on the metal one -- at least for now -- it was somewhat scary even to me.. But that is one helluva store. Did you see some of those corsets?

I'm still not sure that I will actually get to use them but just having them available for if/when the opportunity presents itself is good. That said, coming out of lurk mode on lit may be getting me closer to using them too and I'm enjoying figuring that out.

And I do appreciate how much input the newbie got from all of you...
Thanks,
LC

 

[neonflux]

Just wanted to say one more thank you to everyone who answered my questions and contributed to this thread -- and give you an update...

I still have Neonflux's shopping day on my calendar -- and I'm planning on being there. The reason that this thread came to mind today is that I just got delivery of the raw materials for my first few canes thanks to sources recommended by serijules. If nothing else it gives me the chance to have a hobby and turn them into toys (thanks Catalina) I want to learn how to use.

Those will be added to some items I purchased locally based on Sir W and EG's recommendations... Can you f'ing believe that I couldn't find a natural fiber cane to buy in San Fran F'ing Cisco? I don't want to restart any debates, but so far I've passed on the wood -- did buy a couple made from the modern plastics. Neonflux, I did pass on the metal one -- at least for now -- it was somewhat scary even to me.. But that is one helluva store. Did you see some of those corsets?

I'm still not sure that I will actually get to use them but just having them available for if/when the opportunity presents itself is good. That said, coming out of lurk mode on lit may be getting me closer to using them too and I'm enjoying figuring that out.

And I do appreciate how much input the newbie got from all of you...
Thanks,
LC

Hey Lamont, maybe I'll see you at the Flea! (I wasn't going to be here that weekend, but now it looks like I will.)

Thank you for this thread - gave me the impetus to start exploring caning. I am going to a beginner's class this month and have just purchased my first online, in part based on the advice here. It seems like caning is at least as complicated as flogging, if not even more so. My former play partner is also just getting into this and we are going to start practicing on each other - really want someone who can tell me, "this stroke feels like this, that like that, you need to be a little harder (or softer) to achieve that affect, etc."

Oh, regarding the metal cane - I think I know the one you are speaking of. I'm not interested in that one either, but did you see the very light aluminum one they had? that's the one I want to get (but don't have the $ for right now)....

Neon

 

[neonflux]

P.S., yes, all of their fetish wear is amazing!

 

[Lamont Cranston]

Hey Lamont, maybe I'll see you at the Flea! (I wasn't going to be here that weekend, but now it looks like I will.)

Thank you for this thread - gave me the impetus to start exploring caning. I am going to a beginner's class this month and have just purchased my first online, in part based on the advice here. It seems like caning is at least as complicated as flogging, if not even more so. My former play partner is also just getting into this and we are going to start practicing on each other - really want someone who can tell me, "this stroke feels like this, that like that, you need to be a little harder (or softer) to achieve that affect, etc."

Oh, regarding the metal cane - I think I know the one you are speaking of. I'm not interested in that one either, but did you see the very light aluminum one they had? that's the one I want to get (but don't have the $ for right now)....

Neon

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we saw the same one... It is the one that both excited and scared me... I definitely think classes would be in order before buying that one. I'd need to learn more before using something that harsh... Damn -- almost hate myself when I'm being that considerate.

As for the corsets / fetish wear... yeah... Now that is what you'd expect in our city by the Bay. Pricey, but oh so yummy!
LC

 

[neonflux]

OK, I have officially, tonight, become an uber-fan of caning - giving and receiving!



Neon

 

[Sir_Winston54]

OK, I have officially, tonight, become an uber-fan of caning - giving and receiving!



Neon

See? It's not as scary - from either end - as it looks, is it?

 

[neonflux]

See? It's not as scary - from either end - as it looks, is it?

Never said it was scary! I always enjoy developing new skills... *chuckle*

On a more serious note, my former play partner and I are currently practicing on each other. I love the patterns, they appeal to the artist in me. I love the ability to so completely control the experience of pain in a way that isn't quite possible with other toys, for instance by slowly building up on the same spot. Or leaving a spot only to return to it when not expected... It has a finesse that paddles and floggers just don't have. I do imagine that a single tail might provide something of the same level of control if one becomes really good, but alas, I have no where to practice using one, so...

Neon

P.S., The expertise provided in this thread is proving invaluable...

(P.P.S., on the "other end" in case you haven't figured it out, I'm a big pain slut, LOL.)

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Someone say caning?

Can I be next.

I'll just pull my skirt up, bend over and wait here.

OK, I have officially, tonight, become an uber-fan of caning - giving and receiving!



Neon

 

[neonflux]

Someone say caning?

Can I be next.

I'll just pull my skirt up, bend over and wait here.

*chuckles* I promise to let you know when I'm ready.

 

[HottieMama]

**Gets in line behind Blushing Bottom**

This is one of those threads that just makes me crave pain.

 

[neonflux]

**Gets in line behind Blushing Bottom**

This is one of those threads that just makes me crave pain.

Oh My Goddess! Practice!

 

[BiBunny]

I'm terrified of canes. I talked to a guy once who wanted me to be his practice dummy because he'd never used one before. Uh...I think not. B. wants to cane me, just because he knows it frightens me, but he does have experience with them. Plus, he knows me well enough to know when I'm scared and have had enough. I'd still rather not have it done to me, though. I hate crops and singletails and anything stingy, so I bet I'd feel the same way about canes.

 

[Puman]

I'm terrified of canes. I talked to a guy once who wanted me to be his practice dummy because he'd never used one before. Uh...I think not. B. wants to cane me, just because he knows it frightens me, but he does have experience with them. Plus, he knows me well enough to know when I'm scared and have had enough. I'd still rather not have it done to me, though. I hate crops and singletails and anything stingy, so I bet I'd feel the same way about canes.

Same here... absolutely petrified of canes... but still turned on after reading this thread.... go figure *shrugs*.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Canes don't have to be sting-y. Thicker canes provide a nice thud, along with the deep-tissue compression that gives the "secondary impact" of any cane strike. Caning imparts a sensation no other tool provides, and almost indescribable, but there are actually three different sensations to each strike (unless the the strokes come so close together that one doesn't have a chance to appreciate them, which is extremely poor technique, even for a punishment caning... or is that *especially* for a punishment caning? No matter...). First there is the impact of the cane on the outer flesh, which *can* be sting-y (thinner canes), then a short moment later, the sensation as the meat below (deep tissue) compresses and rebounds, and then, up to a few seconds after that, the "burn" as the outer flesh actually has a chance to feel what has happened. (Yes, a crop could do much the same thing if the shaft of the crop is used as a cane, but then wouldn't it be - more or less - caning?)

ETA: I'm sure that anyone who can make it to 1763 on 9/1 would find either EG or myself ( ) more than happy to demonstrate...

 

[neonflux]

I'm terrified of canes. I talked to a guy once who wanted me to be his practice dummy because he'd never used one before. Uh...I think not. B. wants to cane me, just because he knows it frightens me, but he does have experience with them. Plus, he knows me well enough to know when I'm scared and have had enough. I'd still rather not have it done to me, though. I hate crops and singletails and anything stingy, so I bet I'd feel the same way about canes.

I don't know, Bunny - think it is at least worth trying. I already wrote a little about what I enjoyed in administering a "caning." From a bottom perspective, I should say that I dislike being spanked, or paddled. Therefore, I was surprised by how much I actually enjoyed being caned. (My initial interest in being caned solely had to do with wanting to understand how it felt). When done correctly, there is a quiet build-up to the pain that is very satisfying and very difficult to describe - there can be an initial sting, but there is also an afterglow of warmth that spreads both on the surface of the skin as well as deeper in the tissue.

As Sir Winston mentions, the Top needs to exercise patience in order to allow the pyl to experience the sensations. Regarding B wanting to use one on you, when it comes to the fear aspect, I can see easily how one could use the cane to build on a bottom's anxiety and anticipation. There is a great deal of artistry to it and I know I haven't even scratched the surface... Neon

 

[Sir_Winston54]

<Snip> there can be an initial sting, but there is also an afterglow of warmth that spreads both on the surface of the skin as well as deeper in the tissue. </Snip>

Thank you, neon. I knew there was something I was missing when I wrote that brief (hurried) description, but I was anxious to get back to work (who, *me???*) and didn't take time to get it right. Shame on me.

From my recollections of caning myself (experimenting to get an idea what it was like before I tried it on someone else), being caned a couple of times by a very experienced aficionado so I'd know even better what it was like (reminded me why I like giving pain and not receiving it ), and from the things I've been told by those on the receiving end, it goes something like this for many people:

1) Initial impact. For some reason (and I both remember this and heard it many times), many people feel the stroke as it occurs as feeling cool or even cold. This is a very brief sensation.

2) Sting/Thud. Depending on the diameter of the cane and the speed at impact, immediately following the coldness is the sting/thud felt on the impact surface (skin).

3) Deep-tissue compression/rebound. The impact of the cane, more than any other instrument I know, travels into the muscles/flesh (hereinafter, "meat") below and the surrounding under area as that meat compresses under the cane's force, then rebounds. If you've ever seen a slow-motion film of a caning, the flesh around the strike path follows the cane inward, and then rebounds and (usually) ripples. That compression and rebound is not "felt" (at least in the mind) for an appreciable part of a second - it almost feels like a second impact.

4) The warmth neon mentioned, or "burn." That warmth is also bifurcated, between surface and deeper tissues. Depending on the number and power of the strokes, the surface feeling can range from warmth to burn, while the deeper tissues seem simply to have been soaking in a 103-degree hot tub for an hour or two - long enough for the heat to soak in completely.

YMMV - everyone's unique, you know.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

ETA: I'm sure that anyone who can make it to 1763 on 9/1 would find either EG or myself ( ) more than happy to demonstrate...

Indeed so. I find my own technique tends toward the
<whack!>
one onethousand
two onethousand
three onethousand
four onethousand
*rubrubrub*
<whack!>
one onethousand
two onethousand
three onethousand
four onethousand
*rubrubrub*

Repeat as desired, slowly building in intensity. I like to leave time between strokes to savor each impact and to build anticipation of the next...
YUM!

 

[Puman]

Training Course?

Well - since I am so chicken/yellow/cowardly about canes, I may just insist on my PYL being properly trained at the Evil Goeff School Of Caning before I'd feel confident enough to let him try

 

[JupitersGirl]

I have some writings on my feelings the first few times being caned too, if you are interested. May give you some emotional insight to what may be experienced.

seri, I would love to read your writings. This thread has given me a wonderful idea of the physical experience, but I would welcome a look at the emotional side, too.