Censorship on the bdsm forum?

[lark sparrow]

Is the moderator of the bdsm forum allowed to delete threads he/she doesn't like or do they have to break the "rules?" How could a thread disappear if a moderator didn't delete it- is there some other way?

Last night, I posted to Lance's thread with a title something like "Should Cym shut the fuck up?" He said something nice in the thread about Misstaken as he attacked Cym. Then, he said this in Misstaken's thread about "switching" on the bdsm forum:


My question to Lance was whether he actually agreed with Cym after all. Seems Lance says he likes and agrees with Misstaken in one thread and an entirely different thing in another. Which is the truth and which is the lie?

Even though his original thread where I posted that question to last night seems to have disappeared, I'd still like Lance to have the opportunity to answer the question.

Sounds like more of a personal and general question, which if not undertaken in PM, could be brought up on the General Board. Bickering with Lance about his truths/lies is of as much interest as bickering with MissT about her truth/lies. I'm glad MissT removed the thread - you just happened to be the last poster who wanted to keep it going. It was all reputation bashing in the end.

Cym posts here and Lance comes out of the woodwork, Lance posts here and and his entourage of GB followers (through love or hate) come out of the woodwork and the BDSM Board is covered with personal vindettas. It's old news, same old song and dance... have a question or comment about BDSM by chance?

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Censorship on the bdsm forum?

It's old news, same old song and dance... have a question or comment about BDSM by chance?

Of course not lark, talking about BDSM involves THINKING...

 

[Cheyenne]

Shame! Shame! Hot coals in the place where you have sinned! How dare you have a real life! Alert the media!

Well hello, yayati. Are you done with this thread now?

 

[Cheyenne]

Censorship?

No. An oversite on my part?

Yes, the thread should have been removed at it's commencement, but wasn't as I was distracted by real life and other things on the forums.

No, not censorship. If I were censoring all of the rough things thrown my way lately, there are several threads that would have been removed or moved, however, they all have some BDSM content. The lit guidelines clearly state that off topic posts will be moved. This is a BDSM forum. The thread had no BDSM content.

If anyone feels that the thread should have been moved to the General Board, and yes, I can see where that may have been the better choice, feel free to pm Laurel and ask her to move it. Moving it from there is beyond my mod capabilities.

The thread was moved to the Mod Queue and a pm has been sent to Lance explaining why.

To that end, if this thread doesn't get back to the topic of BDSM. this thread will be moved to the GB or the Mod Queue.

MissTaken, you know me. I'm a straight shooter, and I call Bullshit on that response.

The thread was allowed to stay as long as it said bad things about cym, but as soon as I pointed out Lance was talking out of both sides of his mouth about you, it was deleted. Not moved, but deleted. Had you just moved it, I never would have started this thread about censorship.

Laurel moved it now to the general board. I didn't ask her to, but it is there. Thanks, Laurel.

One more question, are you going to move all the OTHER threads here that don't relate to bdsm topics now that the policy is crystal clear? I'm betting not.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: Censorship on the bdsm forum?

Sounds like more of a personal and general question, which if not undertaken in PM, could be brought up on the General Board. Bickering with Lance about his truths/lies is of as much interest as bickering with MissT about her truth/lies. I'm glad MissT removed the thread - you just happened to be the last poster who wanted to keep it going. It was all reputation bashing in the end.

Cym posts here and Lance comes out of the woodwork, Lance posts here and and his entourage of GB followers (through love or hate) come out of the woodwork and the BDSM Board is covered with personal vindettas. It's old news, same old song and dance... have a question or comment about BDSM by chance?

Here's my general policy at Lit- I use PMs to talk to friends about stuff away from the board. Otherwise, EVERYTHING I have to say on any topic is posted in public for the board to see. I hate the behind the scenes crap people get into in PM gossip. If I have something to say, I'll say it to the world.

Both of Lance's posts that I was comparing were on the bdsm board originally. That is the only reason my post to question them was also made to the bdsm board. Had he made the posts on the general board, I would have asked him about them there.

And yes, I do have a question about bdsm. Does your opinion of censorship vary in direct relationship to whether you are a Dom or a Sub? Are subs more likely to go along with censorship and Doms more likely to fight it?

 

[His_sugar]

Cheyenne.. you really do need to find a new hobby. This has been beaten worse than a dead horse today.

Seems to me she didn't remove it, until you revived a thread that was well on the way to non-existance.

Besides, as every other person has stated.. this is a BDSM Forum.. if it isn't related to BDSM, then it goes. Don't like that? Take it up with Laurel.

 

[Cheyenne]

Cheyenne.. you really do need to find a new hobby. This has been beaten worse than a dead horse today.

Seems to me she didn't remove it, until you revived a thread that was well on the way to non-existance.

Besides, as every other person has stated.. this is a BDSM Forum.. if it isn't related to BDSM, then it goes. Don't like that? Take it up with Laurel.

Threads are revived from the dead all the time! This one was only 3 days old.

And I thought I'd help you with that last one, I have no complaint at all if threads that aren't related to BDSM are moved to the general board. I just posted to about 5 or 6 of them from the front page of the bdsm forum so MissTaken would be sure not to miss them. She's going to be one busy beaver moving all of them!

 

[navarre]

Well hello, yayati. Are you done with this thread now?

 

[MissTaken]

Yes, chey. I do know you as a straight shooter and respect you for it.

However, being a straight shooter and being right aren't always the same things. My response is and was not bullshit. If I removed the thread to protect my own ass, wouldn't I have started removing threads as soon as ugly things were said on the "switching thread?" or removed Lance's original posts about his feeling that I am two faced?

This is the only thread I have removed on the topic of anyone's character or lack thereof and yes, as I eluded in my post, the GB well may have been the better place for it. Timing was simply due to a lack of time and attention. No thread is EVER deleted.

I fucked up.

I am sorry.

Thank you, Laurel for moving it over there.



As for the BDSM posters, let's lighten up and get on with the good stuff.

Chey posts in a direct manner, but isn't one to randomly attack anyone on the forum. Her question is and was a good one, no matter how you or I feel she could have asked it.

As far as I am concerned this matter is resolved and no, I am not going to remove the fluff or birthday threads that add to the "community" nature of the forum. Threads about active posters are on topic, IMHO. A thread maligning a poster who seldom posts isn't on topic.

If anyone has a concern about where any thread is placed, as always, you may pm me....remember the "report post to moderator" function doesn't work for me. I dont' get the email notifications.

 

[Lancecastor]

Is the moderator of the bdsm forum allowed to delete threads he/she doesn't like or do they have to break the "rules?" How could a thread disappear if a moderator didn't delete it- is there some other way?

Last night, I posted to Lance's thread with a title something like "Should Cym shut the fuck up?" He said something nice in the thread about Misstaken as he attacked Cym. Then, he said this in Misstaken's thread about "switching" on the bdsm forum:


My question to Lance was whether he actually agreed with Cym after all. Seems Lance says he likes and agrees with Misstaken in one thread and an entirely different thing in another. Which is the truth and which is the lie?

Even though his original thread where I posted that question to last night seems to have disappeared, I'd still like Lance to have the opportunity to answer the question.

Notwithstanding the fact that all your posts to and about me are intended to disparage me (as is this one), I'll respond nonetheless.

Etoile nailed it...it's certainly possible to agree with someone on one issue and disagree with them on another. Cheyenne, you ought to know this.

I agree with Cym that at the time of Cym's implosion last year MissT was most assuredly playing both ends against the middle. Though I think Cym is a conniving control freak and a bit of an imbalanced wierdo, she was certainly correct in saying MissT had been two faced.

As for MissT, the fact she was two-faced with me (I was forwarded PM's she wrote about me that were very nasty even as she was communicating with me as an alleged friend) means that I've never really trusted her since. That doesn't mean I dislike her in an active sense, just that she hurt my feelings and proved herself to be unworthy of my friendship and trust. So be it.

As for censorship, it is my opinion that MissT was wrong to remove the Shut The Fuck Up thread. It broke no Lit Rules. It attracted a lot of reads and posts in a short period of time, so it was certainly "popular".

I received a PM from our Moderator as I logged on which informed me the thread had been removed because it wasn't about BDSM.

I note that Zip's recent (Non BDSM) thread about his engagement....and ADR's (Non BDSM) thread containing a Newfie joke are both still alive.

So, we know that MissT's statement/explanation is inconsistent at best...a hidden agenda as mid ground...and a bald-faced lie at worst.

MissT has been backpedalling here and on the GB ever since Cym and she had their latest cat fight over MissT being a switch.

I note that 50% of the threads on the BDSM Forum front page are MissT's...at this rate she's fast approaching Cym-like proportions for dominating and controlling the BDSM Forum by personal whim and decree.

Obviously, something's been going on on PM Net that most of us aren't aware of or care a rat's ass about.

Women like MissT, Cym, Cheyenne, Lavender and a few others simply invest too much time and emotional energy in peeing on this BDSM fire hydrant.

Put your dicks away grrls and show us your tits.

But please....shut the fuck up.

You're boring.

Hope this helps.

Ha!

 

[Cheyenne]

Ah, but it isn't deleted, Lance! Sometime during the day the thread in question WAS moved to the general board. Come on over, we're having a great time with you there.

p.s. Thanks for answering my question.

 

[Lancecastor]

Moved, removed...same thing.

A thread about Cym & MissT....founding BDSM Moderator & Present BDSM Moderator...is more "about" BDSM than a half dozen birthday, engagement and joke threads that are on the front page of the BDSM Forum.

This is just the beginning.

 

[MissTaken]

Actually, this all brings up a good point...

When I moderated the Story Ideas forum, I had suggested to the posters that we could ask for a mini forum for idle chit chat and off topic stuff.

They didn't like the idea.

But such a thing here, might be helpful in terms of keeping the Discussion forum on topic and allowing everyone to also do their other stuff that seems to stray from the vague rule concerning no off topic posts.

We could check into it if anyone is interested.

Of course, I don't know about the technical aspects involved, so it may not even be possible.

 

[Lancecastor]

the vague rule concerning no off topic posts.

Vague rule?

You mean..."non-existent rule".

Here are the BDSM Forum Rules:

1. No spam / No promoting of other websites.
2. No personals ads
3. No posting of another's personal information
4. No posting of your own private email address
5. No personal threats
6. No posting of copyrighted images

Admit it....you just want Cym's attack on you and everything related to it to go away.

 

[MissTaken]

Admit it....you just want Cym's attack on you and everything related to it to go away.

Nope.

Read #10.

http://www.literotica.com/support/forum_rules.shtml

 

[Lancecastor]

Nope.

Read #10.

http://www.literotica.com/support/forum_rules.shtml

The only thread you've moved was a thread about You & Cym...so the point is already made. Your self-interest is more important than the Forum.

By not coming clean about it, you've put yourself in a position where you really can't keep the trust of the Forum as Moderator.

It's just a matter of time unless you nip this in the bud.

 

[MissTaken]

Whatever you chose to think, Lance.

I am not playing your game.

If anyone has problems with my moderating the forum, they may contact Laurel.

Really.

 

[Lancecastor]

Whatever you chose to think, Lance.

That's more like it.

 

[Cheyenne]

Actually, this all brings up a good point...

When I moderated the Story Ideas forum, I had suggested to the posters that we could ask for a mini forum for idle chit chat and off topic stuff.

They didn't like the idea.

But such a thing here, might be helpful in terms of keeping the Discussion forum on topic and allowing everyone to also do their other stuff that seems to stray from the vague rule concerning no off topic posts.

We could check into it if anyone is interested.

Of course, I don't know about the technical aspects involved, so it may not even be possible.

Of course they didn't like the idea. That would be because the threads that aren't exactly on topic are just fine with everyone as long as they are popular. Why put them in a separate section? But as soon as there is a thread that is off-topic that isn't about a popular topic, it is convenient to cry "but it isn't topic related and it should be deleted!" Nothing wrong with that approach, as long as everyone admits that is the approach that is being used. You have said as much by agreeing the birthday threads, etc. are allowed to stay. They pass the public opinion popularity contest. Lance doesn't on many occasions. As long as he is moved to the gb and not deleted though, I don't think there will be any further complaints about censorship. Not from me, anyway.

 

[Etoile]

Re: Re: Censorship on the bdsm forum?

Etoile nailed it...it's certainly possible to agree with someone on one issue and disagree with them on another. Cheyenne, you ought to know this.

Woo-hoo! I feel all smart now.

But can we please shut the hell up?

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

*disgusted look on her face*

I am sick to death of this friggin discussion and all its endless permutations, and all this GB bullSHIT.

Back to the BDSM discussion.

~anelize

 

[Pure]

Hi,

[ADDED: Someone said, why write abou rules? 1) to clarify them; 2) to minimize occasions for--and accusations of-- arbitrary 'personal' decisions; 3) to keep unproductive and personal nastiness within bounds; 4) NOT to stifle debate in general or criticism of the moderator's actions.

So: ]

Rule 10 reads

//10. Please post content in the appropriate forum. We do not believe in censorship, but your posts will be moved or removed if you do not read the forum title before hitting "SUBMIT". Personal ads should be posted in the "Personals" forum, story ideas in the "Story Ideas" forum, BDSM issues in the BDSM forum, random nonsense on the General Board, and so on.//

There is a simple answer to the problem posed and dramatized by Lancecastor.

Three interpretive guidelines for 10.

10. will be interpreted as follows.
In moderated and themed(topic focused) forums:

'Inappropriate content' means 'off topic statements.'

NOTE: moving or removing (deleting) are possilbe recourses to violation of 10 and these guidelines.

a) Postings/threads containing abuse directed at a person him- or herself will be considered 'innappropriate' content', i.e. as off topic (insults, name calling, characterization, demeaning remarks, and often, insinuations, provocations). Comments on a person's comments, ideas, stories, and so on, with NOT be considered personal abuse, no matter how phrased. "A shitty story." "Stupid idea." "Written in an illiterate way."

b) Assessment of the moderator's performance *as a moderator* will NEVER of itself be considered to fall under 'abuse', no matter how phrased. "X is doing sad-assed, shitty job...." is permitted.
"X's deleting posting P was an error in judgement."

c) Material that is not abuse or moderator assessment, that is simply irrelevant will generally be allowable as 'chit chat' humor etc., but the moderator has discretion, according to the volume of such, to treat these as 'off topic.'

DISCRETION: The moderator has discretion to deal with these matters according to his/her best lights, and the appeal of decisions (as opposed to discussing performance) is to go to Laurel.


I invite comment on these, esp. Lancecastor, and perhaps the discussion will help sort things out. If comment is favorable, I hope Miss T will consider making them official.

J.

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In case someone is interested in how these would apply, at present, in my opinion which may not be that of the moderator: cym's posting and thread and its direct offspring [Lance's comments and poll] would be movable. Cheyenne's posting and its thread would not be movable from bdsm, because of 'moderator assessment', though an appeal or effort to overturn should go to Laurel.

 

[Rubyfruit]

sheesh...wouldn't it be easier to just not delete or move threads unless they have illegal content or contain spam?

it's not like there's so much activity over here that a couple of off topic (and who's to say if they'll stray on topic or not) threads aren't going to push the "legitimate" ones off of first page.

 

[Johnny Mayberry]

*random rubyfruit stalk*

 

[Ebonyfire]

*disgusted look on her face*

I am sick to death of this friggin discussion and all its endless permutations, and all this GB bullSHIT.

Back to the BDSM discussion.

~anelize

HEHEHE! Our librarian is riled! LOL, I am impressed!