Censorship on the bdsm forum?

[Ebonyfire]

Vague rule?

You mean..."non-existent rule".

Here are the BDSM Forum Rules:

1. No spam / No promoting of other websites.
2. No personals ads
3. No posting of another's personal information
4. No posting of your own private email address
5. No personal threats
6. No posting of copyrighted images

Admit it....you just want Cym's attack on you and everything related to it to go away.

Shit! I want it to go away! What is this? I can't think of any BDSM topic so I will piss on the Mod?

 

[Ebonyfire]

Of course they didn't like the idea. That would be because the threads that aren't exactly on topic are just fine with everyone as long as they are popular. Why put them in a separate section? But as soon as there is a thread that is off-topic that isn't about a popular topic, it is convenient to cry "but it isn't topic related and it should be deleted!" Nothing wrong with that approach, as long as everyone admits that is the approach that is being used. You have said as much by agreeing the birthday threads, etc. are allowed to stay. They pass the public opinion popularity contest. Lance doesn't on many occasions. As long as he is moved to the gb and not deleted though, I don't think there will be any further complaints about censorship. Not from me, anyway.

Or maybe it is more simple than that. Maybe some people do not care cause they have a life.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Censorship on the bdsm forum?

I received a PM from our Moderator as I logged on which informed me the thread had been removed because it wasn't about BDSM.

I note that Zip's recent (Non BDSM) thread about his engagement....and ADR's (Non BDSM) thread containing a Newfie joke are both still alive.
Ha!

I was told last night (in pm by a Lit friend) that my thread was moved and I am pissed as hell about it! I got no notification that it was being moved or why.

What is the policy in here now? You can only have fun with your Lit (bdsm) friends on "certain" threads? I see a lot of playgroundish nonsense happening in the Fireside thread but I can't post something funny in here? Does it all depend on who the thread starter is? Is there a criteria as to what and most importantly, WHOSE threads remain here and what threads are moved? Fill me in please.

I dare say, this forum is getting cliquier all the time and I guess I don't fit in this clique either. My appearances here get less frequent all the time because of the kind of treatment I see happening here. I am not provocative or confrontational but I am not pleased with the treatment I have recieved here and what I am seeing regarding others.

To answer your question Cheyenne, as a sub, I am as offended by censorship as any one else is.

 

[lark sparrow]

You can thank two from their respective "I told you so" lands... promoting their right to stir crap, bicker, gloat and attack people under 'free speech'.

 

[A Desert Rose]

You can thank two from their respective "I told you so" lands... promoting their right to stir crap, bicker, gloat and attack people under 'free speech'.

I respectfully disagree Lark. Inasmuch as I am not sure who or what you are talking about, I think it is strictly a "who you are" attitude in here and not anything else. I never engage in flaming anyone and I abhor the gang bullying attitude by many (especially those on the GB). Because I don't have my face up someone's ass (or many asses) here, my threads get moved, as I see it.

 

[zipman]

I respectfully disagree Lark. Inasmuch as I am not sure who or what you are talking about, I think it is strictly a "who you are" attitude in here and not anything else. I never engage in flaming anyone and I abhor the gang bullying attitude by many (especially those on the GB). Because I don't have my face up someone's ass (or many asses) here, my threads get moved, as I see it.

I don't blame you for being upset Rose.

As for me, well, I wanted to share my engagement to my gf with the forum, as I have posted about her (and my BDSM relationship with her) here to share it with the people who may go to the GB.

A hearty thanks to all responded to it so positively, but I have to say that I am now sorry I shared it. I viewed this as a community, not just a group of threads regulated by rules.

My bad!

 

[A Desert Rose]

I don't blame you for being upset Rose.

As for me, well, I wanted to share my engagement to my gf with the forum, as I have posted about her (and my BDSM relationship with her) here to share it with the people who may go to the GB.

A hearty thanks to all responded to it so positively, but I have to say that I am now sorry I shared it. I viewed this as a community, not just a group of threads regulated by rules.

My bad!

We are on the same side of the fence on this, Zip. I agree that you and I should be able to share fun news, exciting news and great news with our friends at this forum. And I would be just as angry if they had chosen to move your thread.

We are back to the old stupid worn out topic of what is this forum about and for? Are we only to have fun and share with our friends here in PM or in "certain" threads only? Is it, as I think Cheyenne pointed out, only popular threads (hence, popular posters) whose threads are allowed to remain here? I venture to say that this IS the real answer to it.

This goes way beyond the joy of your engagment and the great future you have ahead of you two. It is back to the old cliquish, snobbish attitude that a some hold here.

 

[Ebonyfire]

We are on the same side of the fence on this, Zip. I agree that you and I should be able to share fun news, exciting news and great news with our friends at this forum. And I would be just as angry if they had chosen to move your thread.

We are back to the old stupid worn out topic of what is this forum about and for? Are we only to have fun and share with our friends here in PM or in "certain" threads only? Is it, as I think Cheyenne pointed out, only popular threads (hence, popular posters) whose threads are allowed to remain here? I venture to say that this IS the real answer to it.

This goes way beyond the joy of your engagment and the great future you have ahead of you two. It is back to the old cliquish, snobbish attitude that a some hold here.

Thank God I have a life!

 

[lark sparrow]

Their personal book was burned, so they will now try to ensure that all other books will be burned. Now they are choosing which threads are BDSM related and which are not, and putting pressure on the mod. Of course the fact that they are only promoting the right to bickering and personal attacks will be pushed under the surface. It's about 'BDSM' and 'free speech'... mm hmmm, yeah right.

 

[FungiUg]

Okay, my two cents worth.

This is a forum. A forum for people to talk about BDSM. But also a forum for "BDSM people" (er, I define that as people who like to talk about BDSM.)

Mostly that means we talk about BDSM. Occasionally we talk about other things. Remember, we are people with mixed and varied interests. We are not purely oriented on one thing.

If we wished to post to the general forum, we would.

If we were deluged in posts that were not BDSM related, then we would have an issue to deal with. We're not. Yes we get birthday postings, but they soon go away. And you don't have to read them!

I've read the "rules" that were posted earlier, and I can pretty much agree with them. Nowhere does it say we are not to post "off topic." BDSM is a pretty broad topic, and often includes the other aspects of people's lives who are into BDSM.

So, except where someone has breached privacy, or threatened someone else (does promising to spank MissT count?), I think that no censorship should be the rule.

If a moderator wishes to approach someone and ask if their thread can be moved to the general board, that's fine. But perhaps he/she should ask everyone who posted to it as well? And remember, if it's been posted to the BDSM forum, that's because the person wanted to discuss it in the BDSM forum (whatever the topic). And that's not a bad thing!

So, to summarise. No censorship other than where it's a message that breaks the privacy rules, or is threatening.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Their personal book was burned, so they will now try to ensure that all other books will be burned. Now they are choosing which threads are BDSM related and which are not, and putting pressure on the mod. Of course the fact that they are only promoting the right to bickering and personal attacks will be pushed under the surface. It's about 'BDSM' and 'free speech'... mm hmmm, yeah right.

I agree with you on this.

Zip used the term community. And he wanted to share his news with the community he has a connection with. Everyone agrees this is a good thing and I am flattered that he should want to share with those who post here. It is a wonderful thing to feel as though you are part of something.

It is very unpleasant to feel as though you are not.

Try as "they" might, "they' will not be able to stop people from feeling attached to others (as in being part of a community.) I feel an attachment to many friends here.

All I wanted to do was share a joke with a friend (and anyone else who might get a chuckle from it): a friend who I no long have an email address for and a joke that I could not attach to a PM. The act of moving my thread is the culmination of several things that I have seen occur in here. It was, to be cliche, the straw that finally broke my back.

I have to go to work now. I have a life outside my computer screen too, just as Eb does. Have a good day.

 

[Rubyfruit]

*random rubyfruit stalk*

hello sweetheart.

/on topic

i think some very valid points and concerns have been addressed in this thread, and that it's closed-minded to dismiss them as simple bickering.

what is wrong with some rousing debate? usually, i feel like i'm at my local public library every time i come on this board. why does everybody and thing have to fit into a neat box? life isn't like that.

i look at miss t as an elected official. we as a society monitor our elected officials to make sure they are doing the job we want them to do. that's all.

oh, and i agree with everything FungiUg said and have said much the same on the topic in the past when it has come up here. to think that people aren't going to form relationships and want to communicate on non-bdsm topics from time to time is crazy. if somebody only posts on the bdsm board, why would they go tell the gb that their sister just had a baby?

come on people, human up a little.

 

[FungiUg]

Rule #10

...is interesting.

I can see both sides of that one.

Anyway, I would like to say that we are a community, and I have grown to know (in some fashion) the people who post here. I don't know the people in the general board. So why would I post a message to the people I know on a board I don't know?

Okay, if we have a long running discussion that's of general content, that might be a good target to have moved. But the little short ones tend to die a death of themselves anyway.

 

[Etoile]

How 'bout them O's?

(I'm originally from Baltimore. The O's are the Orioles, the local baseball team. That interjection is meant to derail the current topic.)

 

[FungiUg]

How 'bout them O's?

You mean like in "big O's" as in orgasms?

Sheesh, I think MissT's a bit busy to be running around censoring our orgasms! Cum girl! Don't hold back!

 

[P. B. Walker]

<rubbin mah belly> Good to see all the kiddies getting along again.


I'm convinced this forum will have a major blowup every 3 months no matter what, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Once it's settled down in a month, everything will be smooth and relatively easy going for another 2 or 3 months.

Cycles, baby, cycles. I guess the forum is a "she". Heh.

 

[Etoile]

And that

, ladies and gentlemen, is why I love Depo-Provera.

 

[Rubyfruit]

...That interjection is meant to derail the current topic.

didn't work.

but maybe if you start to do a nice, slow striptease...

 

[Lancecastor]

I agree with Zip, ADR and the others I know less well in the past dozen posts or so...it shouldn't be a problem for us to wish each other a happy birthday or talk about things non BDSM, as long as the BDSM Forum doesn't get out of balance or focus.

As it happens, there was a hot topic that arose here recently...the Founding Moderator, Cymbidia, questioned the current Moderator, MissT, on her BDSM pedigree.

Threads popped up here and on the GB about the topic and the people.

And for those of you living in caves, guess what? Lots of us post on the GB and the BDSM Forum (and fuck you if you think you're BDSM Kung Fu is stronger or better if you don't).

At any rate, at some point MissT decided there would be no more talk of her alleged lies/backstabbing/secret life, etc....and deleted, then moved my thread to the GB on the grounds that it wasn't about BDSM.

If talking about the (lack of) integrity of the Founder and the Current BDSM Forum Moderator isn't "about BDSM"...then Zip's engagement, ADR's Newfie joke for Me and a bunch of other threads aren't either.

But...the only threads moved....you guessed it...my thread and the thread with my name in the title.

So, given the apparent bias of MissT against me and her declining to (yet again) tell the truth out in the open, I will indeed be posting here regularly, spank you* very much !




* BDSM reference

 

[FungiUg]

So, given the apparent bias of MissT against me and her declining to (yet again) tell the truth out in the open, I will indeed be posting here regularly, spank you* very much !

Oh joy.

S'funny, but I haven't noticed this thread being moved. And you have told us over and over and over again just how much you have been wronged and "it's not fair", and "but you don't pick on *them* like you do me!"

...and the winner of the award for best impression of a 5 year old goes to...


You're free to post. As are we all. But I have some news for you. MissT's not perfect. She does do a great job. But she's not perfect. Oh... and she has a life! And her life changes! How terrible for you, I know.

If you think the forum is suffering because of MissT's missmanagement, I suggest you go to the site owners. Oh, and feel free to show the evidence of just how much support you have from other people here (i.e. almost none.)

Now go play like a good little boy...

 

[Lancecastor]

I haven't noticed this thread being moved.

You got that right.

 

[Cheyenne]

Or maybe it is more simple than that. Maybe some people do not care cause they have a life.

For someone who doesn't care, and has said on page one that she is "done with this subject" you sure do stick around to post to it a lot!

Ok, NOW I am done with this subject!

Even yoyotwat DID eventually leave.

 

[Cheyenne]

*disgusted look on her face*

I am sick to death of this friggin discussion and all its endless permutations, and all this GB bullSHIT.

Back to the BDSM discussion.

~anelize

I beg your pardon but the thread I posted to that was moved was on the bdsm board. The post I quoted and added to that thread was from the bdsm board. By posting it here originally, I was actually trying to keep the bdsm bullSHIT from spilling over to the GB. Didn't want to be accused of importing crap from bdsm to the gb, you know.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: Re: Censorship on the bdsm forum?

To answer your question Cheyenne, as a sub, I am as offended by censorship as any one else is.

Thank you. And since I don't frequent the bdsm board often and I only really know you from the GB, may I add that I like your posts there? I think maybe I should read this forum a little more often just to add a new dimension to some of the GB regulars who also post here. I wouldn't have guessed you were a sub.

 

[Cheyenne]

But as soon as there is a thread that is off-topic that isn't about a popular topic, it is convenient to cry "but it isn't topic related and it should be deleted!" Nothing wrong with that approach, as long as everyone admits that is the approach that is being used. You have said as much by agreeing the birthday threads, etc. are allowed to stay. They pass the public opinion popularity contest. Lance doesn't on many occasions. As long as he is moved to the gb and not deleted though, I don't think there will be any further complaints about censorship. Not from me, anyway.

Okay, I'm quoting myself to modify my original opinion.

I was irritated that the thread I posted in here on the bdsm board was deleted yesterday, and I started this thread. Later in the day, the thread was instead "moved" to the GB. That's fine with me, although I would have preferred that it stay in its original home, the bdsm board. The thread being returned in one forum or another took care of my concern of censorship.

While all of the above was going on, I posted to at least 5 or 6 non-bdsm related threads here to make a point. If you are going to move ONE thread because it wasn't "bdsm enough" then you should have to follow the rule and move ALL of them. That was the reason I got for the deletion - that it wasn't bdsm related. I wanted to point out that that "reason" wasn't universally applied.

While I won't complain about censorship here anymore, I do think those of you who are regulars here SHOULD debate what you want on the bdsm forum. If not you, then who? If you want strict rules- make the moderator stick to the strict rules that are written. And ONLY the rules that are written. If you want a looser kind of board (and I see nothing wrong with Happy Birthday threads to friends, engagement announcements, jokes, etc.) that is more community oriented, just say so! Debate! It is good for you. Really.