Circumcised or natural (foreskin)?

[SweetErika]

I dont know if he would still do it or not, but he does have to...and yes even though it is in a hospital and care is taken...he is still an adult and scared out of his mind.

Well, hopefully he's educated himself thoroughly, tried everything else first and gotten several opinions from really good docs who favor conservative approaches and are up on the latest treatments.

If he still must have it done, hopefully he can have the most conservative, foreskin-sparing circumcision possible. Apparently, the worst part of recovery following the initial pain is waiting for the head to become keratinized/toughen up, so the more skin that remains covered, the better. Plus, the more foreskin he has, the easier time he will have restoring in the future if that's something he wants to do.

 

[fire_breeze]

I do think that circumcision in those circumstances is so barbaric. To cut a baby like that on a kitchen table with no pain relief is bad enough but an 8 yr old? Why was it done at 8 yrs old? Is cutting 8 yr olds common in Turkey? It seems an odd age to set as a precedent or rite of passage.

I too was curious at the odd age, so I asked a colleague of mine to expand:

In many Islamic school of thought, circumcision is practised. Although not proscribed by the Qur'an, it is highly recommended nonetheless. Some scholars maintain it is a sign of faith, others that it's fitra, that is, acts considered to be of a refined person (which, by the way, also includes: clipping or shaving pubic hair, cutting nails, cleaning teeth, plucking or shaving the hair under the armpits and trimming the moustache) (it should be noted that in the Middle East throughout history, circumcision is culturally common).

Because in Islam, the time of circumcision, if carried out (90% of the time it is), is not fixed to a particular time, it depends on family, region, culture and country. So, it can happen at any time during a boy's life. However, most Islamic scholars are adamant that it should occur anytime before the tenth birthday.

It seems, and from what I can find, that in Turkey, common ages are either 2 months, 7 years old and 8 years.

 

[CWatson]

As one of the relatively few males on this thread, I just wanted to express that, personally, I think there are a lot more important things to worry about than whether or not a girl will freak out if she sees I am or am not circumcised.

If I had sons, would I have it done to them? I don't know--honestly, it doesn't seem to make a big difference to me either way. It doesn't make a difference to me; might my (currently-hypothetical) sons think differently? Of course they might. Would I think differently if I still had my foreskin? Of course I might. But I hope I would be able to keep perspective. Like I said, there are a lot more important things to worry about.

(For instance, at the moment I have no job. I don't think my circumcision has anything to do with that. And if it does, well, I really don't want to know why the desk jobs I'm applying to are taking that into account. )

 

[Sagittarian]

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Yes...

Cock is cock to me. It's a damn shame society has conditioned a preference for something so unnatural.

 

[pinkflames]

The excuse in favour of circumcision which has bothered me those most was given to be on two occassions by women who had worked in nursing homes. Both believed in circumcising their sons to save future carers the hassle of washing under their foreskins when they're elderly.

 

[SweetErika]

The excuse in favour of circumcision which has bothered me those most was given to be on two occassions by women who had worked in nursing homes. Both believed in circumcising their sons to save future carers the hassle of washing under their foreskins when they're elderly.

Wow. Just wow.

Think of everything we could apply that little gem to...

Off with the labia, clits and breasts! Out with the lower intestines! Feet and hands need to be washed, too, so we'd better remove those at birth to save mothers and care professionals the work!

 

[pinkflames]

That's pretty much what I thought too!

 

[Maizie29]

Yes...

Cock is cock to me. It's a damn shame society has conditioned a preference for something so unnatural.

I'd just like to say that for me, personally, as I stated previously, society has absolutely nothing to do with it. I've had both, I didn't freak out, run away screaming, vomit or anything when presented with an uncut cock. I simply prefer them cut. I didn't say I don't like uncut cock, I said I don't prefer it. Although "society" can be responsible for peoples general feelings about things, personally I think it's most often used as a scapegoat when people don't have the guts to stand up and say "I want, I feel, I see. That way they can say society makes me want, feel, see, etc. Society most often represents what the Majority of people want to see. That's why mass advertising works. It targets the masses and their ideals and the rest of us be damned. And the reason it's like that is because most people don't want to rock the damned boat and swim to shore. /end rant sorry

 

[Sagittarian]

I'd just like to say that for me, personally, as I stated previously, society has absolutely nothing to do with it. I've had both, I didn't freak out, run away screaming, vomit or anything when presented with an uncut cock. I simply prefer them cut. I didn't say I don't like uncut cock, I said I don't prefer it. Although "society" can be responsible for peoples general feelings about things, personally I think it's most often used as a scapegoat when people don't have the guts to stand up and say "I want, I feel, I see. That way they can say society makes me want, feel, see, etc. Society most often represents what the Majority of people want to see. That's why mass advertising works. It targets the masses and their ideals and the rest of us be damned. And the reason it's like that is because most people don't want to rock the damned boat and swim to shore. /end rant sorry

Rubbish. Society is part of the reason why unnatural penises aren't desired in the masses. Some men don't even know their cut for crying out loud. (I've dated some!) There is no excuse to prefer something that HAS to be reached through cosmetic surgery. There is no point to develop an unnecessary preference. Society tends to complicate the simplest of factors.

 

[Maizie29]

Rubbish. Society is part of the reason why unnatural penises aren't desired in the masses.

Well, actually, the medical community and different religious groups are mostly responsible. The word "society" is again being used as a redundant blanket response.

Some men don't even know their cut for crying out loud. (I've dated some!)

So they were uneducated and didn't know. That would have more to do with their desires to WANT to know more about themselves, the way that they were raised, and their general desire to give a rats ass. It would seem that you cared more about their apparent lack of knowledge than they did.

There is no excuse to prefer something that HAS to be reached through cosmetic surgery. There is no point to develop an unnecessary preference. Society tends to complicate the simplest of factors.

Well now you just sound like an ass. Enjoying your soapbox? Some people prefer to shave their armpits because it looks better. Is it necessary? Absolutely not. But I DO prefer it. I also prefer to take baths regularly, shave my legs, and even my pussy. Is it necessary? Nah......not really. But I do prefer it, and if I could afford plastic surgery so that hair never returned to those areas for the rest of my life, you can bet your ass I'd do it.
It's called personal choice and it's the reason I was given a damned brain instead of a micro-chip. I happen to like my choices and others are free to make theirs. So are you. Be happy about that.

 

[Sagittarian]

Look, more rubbish.

Well, actually, the medical community and different religious groups are mostly responsible. The word "society" is again being used as a redundant blanket response.

"An organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes."

"the body of human beings generally, associated or viewed as members of a community: the evolution of human society."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/society



Which propaganda medical community is ye referring too? Because it's already been covered that with normal washing, the foreskin poses no health risk.

Like, I said, society.

It would seem that you cared more about their apparent lack of knowledge than they did.

Actually, he mentioned when he used to make fun of his Jewish friend for being cut when he was younger. It was at that point when I pointed out he was in fact cut. Oh, he was pissed.

Some people prefer to shave their armpits because it looks better. Is it necessary? Absolutely not.

Shaving the hair under one's arm is completely different from slicing functional and purposeful skin for strictly cosmetic preferences. You tell me how their in the same element without sounding like an ass. Even still, the hair under the arm is there for a purpose, but society has decided it's unacceptable, and therefore, not desired. It's a damn shame that natural is unacceptable now a days. Wouldn't you agree? So many women and men have trouble with ingrown hairs and what not, just to reach a preference that goes against their genetic make-up.

 

[Maizie29]

You simply made my point that society is used as a blanket response. We are ALL a part of society and individual PARTS of society are responsible.

I was referring to PAST common medical belief and opinion that made it the way it is today, I thought that was rather clear, but apparently not.

So you were with one idiot. Sorry.

The hair under the arms, hair on the legs, etc. is exactly the point I was trying to make and yet again you seem to have made it for me. I PREFER the feel of smooth underarms, smooth, soft legs, etc. whether it's necessary or not, and my genetic make-up can go to hell. It really wouldn't be any different to me if we were talking about slicing off half of my ear lobe, or having my ears pierced, etc. I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel. Society didn't predispose me to feel this way, because society can't send signals to my brain that say how much I LOVE the way my freshly shaven legs feel when I rub them together. My own brain decides that. If I liked myself better with furry legs and underarms that's how they would be. People should have a CHOICE, that's all I'm saying, and yet again, you decide to blame society for forcing everyone to conform. If people don't like what "An organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes." or "the body of human beings generally, associated or viewed as members of a community: the evolution of human society." is telling them to do they should be man or woman enough to stand the hell up and say so. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Sagittarian]

You simply made my point that society is used as a blanket response. We are ALL a part of society and individual PARTS of society are responsible.

Blanket response my ass. You can't sit here and say society didn't influence you into preferring an unnatural penis. The thought is laughable in the UK and other countries, because having a preference for someone to have a unnatural component of their body is simply absurd. You obviously aren't aware of how idiotic you sound.

I was referring to PAST common medical belief and opinion that made it the way it is today, I thought that was rather clear, but apparently not.

Your words:

"Well, actually, the medical community and different religious groups are mostly responsible. The word "society" is again being used as a redundant blanket response."

You claim to be referring to PAST common medical belief but don't mention anything of the sort. You are simply trying to save your ass and your trivial efforts make you the idiot.

I PREFER the feel of smooth underarms, smooth, soft legs, etc. whether it's necessary or not, and my genetic make-up can go to hell. It really wouldn't be any different to me if we were talking about slicing off half of my ear lobe, or having my ears pierced, etc. I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel. Society didn't predispose me to feel this way, because society can't send signals to my brain that say how much I LOVE the way my freshly shaven legs feel when I rub them together.

When did I refer to touch in any fashion? I was referring to actual appearances, not touch. This paragraph is useless, but thanks for the information.

I'm saying, and yet again, you decide to blame society for forcing everyone to conform.

Oh no, obviously not everyone. Some are just plain ignorant unwillingly. Believe me, my boyfriend was pissed off when his parents decided to cut him. I wonder if it would be so attractive or accepted if men actually had to make the choice later on in their lives. Nearly all, don't.

If people don't like what "An organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes." or "the body of human beings generally, associated or viewed as members of a community: the evolution of human society." is telling them to do they should be man or woman enough to stand the hell up and say so. That's all I'm saying.

But YOU DO like "an organized group of persons associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes."

Don't deny it. GTFO with this nonsense.

 

[Maizie29]

Actually yes I CAN say it didn't have anything to do with my preference since the first 2 men I was with one was cut and one wasn't. I had never seen another cock in my life and I liked the cut one better, so now, why don't you act like you know me some more? It's not absurd, it's my personal preference, which I'm allowed to have

Yes, I said they are "mostly responsible" which inferred they're actions of the past are responsible for the current state. I'll be careful to spell things out for you more clearly in the future.

How does touch and feel NOT play a part in the asthetics of something? When you look at a dress made of a certain material don't you think about how it will feel against your skin???

That is their personal choice and they are welcome to it. Takes me back to my original statement....

"I didn't say I don't like uncut cock, I said I don't prefer it."

Yet again you presume to know something about me when you don't. The personal attacks are delightful yet uneccessary and show a lack of intelligent things to say...........

 

[Sagittarian]

Actually yes I CAN say it didn't have anything to do with my preference since the first 2 men I was with one was cut and one wasn't.

How convenient of you to finally add this bit, huh?

. I had never seen another cock in my life and I liked the cut one better, so now, why don't you act like you know me some more?

Can you justify this preference? Uncut cocks give an allergic reaction? Vomiting fits? The feel? Anything besides LOOKS? No you can't, but go ahead and try.

Yes, I said they are "mostly responsible" which inferred they're actions of the past are responsible for the current state. I'll be careful to spell things out for you more clearly in the future.

Read your own post more closely, you mentioned nothing about the past. In fact, you didn't add "past" until I pointed it out.

Yet again you presume to know something about me when you don't. The personal attacks are delightful yet uneccessary and show a lack of intelligent things to say...........

You quoted this:

"I didn't say I don't like uncut cock, I said I don't prefer it."

Which was not my text. Go back and edit.

 

[Maizie29]

I did mention that I had been with both, just not that they had been my first two because I didn't feel it was necessary at the time.

I already said FEEL has something to do with it and for me it does, you can continue to argue this point if you wish, but since you're not me and don't feel the same things I do it should be obvious that it's a moot point and this portion of your argument is going nowhere.

I already said I inferred it and will spell things out more clearly for you in the future. You keep harping on the same thing....it's irritating.

The fact that I said "Takes me back to my original statement" and then used that quote should have been your first clue that I knew it was my own statement and not yours. Perhaps you should exercise your cognitive skills a bit more thoroughly before responding in the future.

 

[Sagittarian]

I did mention that I had been with both, just not that they had been my first two because I didn't feel it was necessary at the time.

I already said FEEL has something to do with it and for me it does, you can continue to argue this point if you wish, but since you're not me and don't feel the same things I do it should be obvious that it's a moot point and this portion of your argument is going nowhere.

I already said I inferred it and will spell things out more clearly for you in the future. You keep harping on the same thing....it's irritating.

The fact that I said "Takes me back to my original statement" and then used that quote should have been your first clue that I knew it was my own statement and not yours. Perhaps you should exercise your cognitive skills a bit more thoroughly before responding in the future.

Yes, argument is going no where. It usually happens when someone can't even comprehend their own text.

Cheers.

 

[Maizie29]

Yes, argument is going no where. It usually happens when someone can't even comprehend their own text.

Cheers.

Admitting it is the first step Congrats!

 

[VelvetDarkness]

Some men don't even know their cut for crying out loud.

Someone also said this on the thread the OP posted on BDSM Talk. I just couldn't believe it. Both you and the other poster are in the USA where I understand circumcision has been standard procedure rather than a religious/medical thing. I just find it so hard to believe that a guy can go through high school and not learn that cocks are born with foreskins. I confess I find it shocking that education on this is so poor in the USA. We get threads here on How To with reasonable regularity, either girls posting that their new guy has a forskin and they don't know what to do with it. More sadly, guys post that they're worried girls will find their uncut cock gross. However all this has perpetuated in the USA, I think it's a real shame.

 

[Incogniduet]

Due to some inflammation and eventual splitting of my foreskin about 2 years ago [About this time to date that the problem began actually.. was after a few consecutive rough wanks while drunk... felt amazing but small dry patches split]... got worse. Had to have the snip. 14 days of painkillers, wet dream [first one ever, and I'm 21, it was awesome, shot up right next to my face.. close call..] after 11 days of abstaining... could wank shortly after that... which obv wasnt promoting healing so I stopped... This was November last year. Now it's sorted, looks discoloured somewhat... Darker shade skin naturally on my cock/balls but it looks like it was mutilated and healed [which lets be honest, it was, but the skin colour tones in one area to another completely contrast from light tan to scar-tissue-white. Because it's still not been that long though relatively [Compared to 20 years of my life WITH a foreskin] it's still a bit more sensative than someone who's been circ'd from birth.

Offtopic, but relevant.. If any of you guys have phimosis say 18-25.. I know you're out there.. If the option is there for topical steroid cream take it if it's viable. If it doesn't work snip time.. if it does work you've just saved days of agony and weeks of abstaining. Oh no sex for 3 months either after adult circ.

ANd even now tbh I think the healing hasn't stretched the foreskin as much as it was supposed to.. skin area between top of my cock [pubic bone area] to my very lower abs [not very well shaped, might I add] used to be suprisingly taught... it's eased off recently but it still feels odd when my lass is on top and I feel if she's balancing on both me AND a layer of taught, visually [but not actually] fragile stretched skin.

Peace.

 

[sutherngent985]

When my exwife and I talked about this before my son was born, I was adamant that he not be circumcised. She really had no feeling either way so he wasnt. I actually got the most grief from my parents...my father was snipped as an adult after he was in the navy...he apparently had a medical issue but doing it was SOP from what he told me. He said we had made a bad decision and would regret it. I told him the only thing I regretted was that he and mom had me circumcised as a baby. If my son wants to have it done once hes an adult, thats his choice. But it wasnt up to his mother and me to make a lifelong decision for him.

 

[Madmax77_1977]

[Compared to 20 years of my life WITH a foreskin] it's still a bit more sensative than someone who's been circ'd from birth.

Offtopic, but relevant.. If any of you guys have phimosis say 18-25.. I know you're out there.. If the option is there for topical steroid cream take it if it's viable. If it doesn't work snip time.. if it does work you've just saved days of agony and weeks of abstaining. Oh no sex for 3 months either after adult circ.

same for me, I had the snip done at 28 after the phimosis got worse. It felt and looked weird at first, that the penis I've grown up with suddenly looked and felt differently (my wife felt the same way), but in the end I don't regret having it done. Circumcision is a viable option for medical reasons, though I wouldn't do it to a son and leave the choice up to him.

oh, and it was 'only' 6 weeks of abstaining for me (doctor approved)

 

[super_dude_32]

i am uncut

I was left au-natural at brith by my father and i Like it, lol

 

[Comrade_Ash]

I posted this question just to see what people thought about it, of course there is no "wrong" answer. It is just a simple "asking around"

Maybe some people here should be a little more understanding.

 

[Eilan]

I posted this question just to see what people thought about it, of course there is no "wrong" answer. It is just a simple "asking around"

Maybe some people here should be a little more understanding.

Of course there's a wrong answer. It's whatever POV I don't agree with.

If you think people aren't being civil on this thread, you should check out a 799-post circumcision discussion, General Board style. Good times.