Circumcised or natural (foreskin)?

[Comrade_Ash]

mmm I see.

 

[PertPerth]

Most men in Australia 30+ have been circumcised - it was just "what was done". These days, most doctors will need a religious or medical reason to do it. The only problem leaving it until the boy is older/adult is the pain and trauma it causes.
One friend of mine has 3 boys, 2, 4, and 7. He's just had to take his 4 year old to get 'the snip' as it was tearing his foreskin regularly and getting infected. Another friend of mine had to do the same thing when her boy was 8.

I personally prefer circumcised - mainly because it looks neater - but I'm not overly fussed either way.

 

[SweetErika]

The only problem leaving it until the boy is older/adult is the pain and trauma it causes.

I once took an English class that focused on culture. We read Possessing the Secret of Joy and talked about female and male circumcision/genital mutilation. The professors posed some excellent questions: How do we know male circumcision doesn't cause terrible pain and trauma? Can we be certain the experience doesn't linger in their subconscious and affect them as adults?

I don't think we do know. Babies and young kids certainly feel pain and can be traumatized long-term by events that occur early on. Some circumcised men feel very traumatized by having part of their penis cut off at their parent's request - so much so that they advocate against circumcision and go on multi-year quests to become as "whole" as possible. While the memory might not be as fresh or there when youngsters are circumcised, I don't believe we can definitively say it's less painful or traumatic overall.

 

[mark_j]

If the lady has a preference be that either from a visual or hygienic point of view then that is her choice. From what I have heard there really isn't much difference cut or uncut once the equipment is in use. I could be wrong but I haven't heard that women could really tell the difference if they hadn't seen, touched or knew about it first.

As far as men's "trauma" over circumcision, I think it is more something that happens later. The old "I didn't have a choice in the matter my parents made it for me" saw. How dare they.

I was circumcised at birth, I don't remember it. For that matter I wasn't even aware that there was anything "different" until much later. Nor do I resent my parents for their decision.

I also breast fed, don't recall any of that nor do I recall having the mumps or chicken pox either. I also don't recall going to Disneyland when I was 8 months old, cracking my head on the coffee table at 2 years (still have the scar from that one) or any of a number of other significant or "traumatic" events my parents told me about that happened prior to my 3rd birthday.

For what it is worth, in talking to my brother and a few of my friends about childhood experiences, it seems that most of us don't recall anything much before 3 years old.

YMMV but I truly think that most of us don't remember stuff that happened before a certain age.

 

[PertPerth]

For what it is worth, in talking to my brother and a few of my friends about childhood experiences, it seems that most of us don't recall anything much before 3 years old.

YMMV but I truly think that most of us don't remember stuff that happened before a certain age.

I gotta agree with that. I was adopted as a baby, and don't recall being "told". My brother (5 years older than me), on the other hand, was told he was adopted just before I came along. He remembers the exact words Mum and Dad used. We have quite different feelings about it - I definitely beleive he "suffered" more than I did.

But then, people/parents do what they think is best for their child. What ever the reasons, what ever they do, 99% of the time it is done out of love. Even if it's "wrong" (in the eyes of the child or other people).

 

[bailadora]

But then, people/parents do what they think is best for their child. What ever the reasons, what ever they do, 99% of the time it is done out of love. Even if it's "wrong" (in the eyes of the child or other people).

I wish more people would realize this. As a parent, I second guess myself enough on my own - I don't need others adding to the heap.

 

[Eilan]

I wish more people would realize this. As a parent, I second guess myself enough on my own - I don't need others adding to the heap.

This is exactly why I hate parenting forums and avoid them like the plague. So many parents--mostly moms, since they're more likely to hang out on those types of boards--are self-righteous cunts** who belittle other people's parenting choices. If any of you ever want to get into a pissing match on a parenting board, jump into a thread about vaccination, circumcision, homeschooling, spanking/discipline, or breastfeeding/breastfeeding in public. Someone will flame you, no matter which position you take.


**Apologies to anyone who's part of a parenting message board community and isn't a self-righteous cunt.

 

[bailadora]

If any of you ever want to get into a pissing match on a parenting board, jump into a thread about vaccination, circumcision, homeschooling, spanking/discipline, or breastfeeding/breastfeeding in public. Someone will flame you, no matter which position you take.

*nods* Been on the receiving end of that many times myself. I'm fully aware many of the decisions I make for my kids have long lasting ramifications and it's not a responsibility I take lightly. The best you can hope for is to gather as much data as you can, weigh it against your personal beliefs of what's best for your kid and then make the most informed choice you can.

 

[Eilan]

*nods* Been on the receiving end of that many times myself. I'm fully aware many of the decisions I make for my kids have long lasting ramifications and it's not a responsibility I take lightly. The best you can hope for is to gather as much data as you can, weigh it against your personal beliefs of what's best for your kid and then make the most informed choice you can.

I agree.

 

[Comrade_Ash]

I agree with pertperth

 

[Comrade_Ash]

Since its on foreskin, what are the signs of a tight foreskin?

 

[bailadora]

Google is your friend: try phimosis or tight foreskin symptoms as your search terms.

 

[sugaredwalls]

This is exactly why I hate parenting forums and avoid them like the plague. So many parents--mostly moms, since they're more likely to hang out on those types of boards--are self-righteous cunts** who belittle other people's parenting choices. If any of you ever want to get into a pissing match on a parenting board, jump into a thread about vaccination, circumcision, homeschooling, spanking/discipline, or breastfeeding/breastfeeding in public. Someone will flame you, no matter which position you take.


**Apologies to anyone who's part of a parenting message board community and isn't a self-righteous cunt.

lol, so very true! Debating politics is much less vicious than sparring with the mommy set. lol, hate to stereotype but I know exactly the types you are talking about. Those boards are about as fun as dry rot!

When my son was a baby I joined a MOMS club and after meeting up with the women and kids of the group a couple of times I about wanted to throw myself off the nearest bridge. Breastfeeding vs. bottle feeding.....who gives a shit?????

 

[janeyl]

*nods* Been on the receiving end of that many times myself. I'm fully aware many of the decisions I make for my kids have long lasting ramifications and it's not a responsibility I take lightly. The best you can hope for is to gather as much data as you can, weigh it against your personal beliefs of what's best for your kid and then make the most informed choice you can.

It's one of the many reasons I don't have kids-I'd probably end up paralysed by indecision! I worked out a long time ago that it's not children I don't like, it's those kinds of parents!

On the original subject, I've always thought of circumcision as a form of male genital mutilation-the idea that it would be done to a non consenting child purely for aesthetic reasons for what appears to be a particularly shallow "choice" for a woman is utterly repellant to me.

There were some recent articles in the British press trying to frighten parents into mutilating their children because of what appeared to be unfounded claims that uncircumcised men had a greater risk of some cancers and much higher risks of HPV leading to cervical and anal cancers in women. This kind of propoganda just builds on the guilt of already guilt laden parents as it is

Being a UK citizen, my experience of circumcised cocks is minimal but from that limited experience and seeing pictures, I thought that the heads seem a little rougher and less sensitive possibly from the years of rubbing and chafing against underwear-my partner has a part circumcision due to medical problems when he was an adult. It was a procedure he was able to give fully informed consent about but he was glad that they left part of his foreskin for his own sense of aesthetics and comfort

Just my two pennorth-feel free to ignore or dismiss as you see fit

 

[Mac98]

I'm uncut and I thank God everyday for being so. And as for females thinking it's ugly, that's not a problem where I'm from. It became almost normal to leave things natural 20 to 25 years ago here, so most women my age or younger (or older, for that matter) are more used to seeing uncut than circumsized.

As for cleanliness is concerned, I make sure to take special care of my special friend. So far, I've had no complaints.

 

[pinkflames]

I'm uncut and I thank God everyday for being so. And as for females thinking it's ugly, that's not a problem where I'm from. It became almost normal to leave things natural 20 to 25 years ago here, so most women my age or younger (or older, for that matter) are more used to seeing uncut than circumsized.

As for cleanliness is concerned, I make sure to take special care of my special friend. So far, I've had no complaints.

It's not how it looks that matters to this female, but rather how it feels between my lips. I've blown 4 cut guys and 1 uncut, the uncut is much more fun.

 

[OldGitUK]

What has puzzled me for many years, is who, deep in the mists of time, first thought of cutting some kids foreskin off? And why?

 

[sutherngent985]

What has puzzled me for many years, is who, deep in the mists of time, first thought of cutting some kids foreskin off? And why?

Other than the biblical references, in the US it was first championed by Kellogg (yea the corn flakes guy) as a way to stop boys from masturbating. Over the years it became standard practice.

I remember reading about a report from the American Pediatric Association (some drs group) that there is no medical reason for routine infant circumcision, except for the drs pocketbook. When my son was born, the dr wanted $425 to do it. Guess he had a payment on his Mercedes due.

 

[silverwhisper]

oldgit: as sutherngent noted, it stems from biblical practice, and outside of the US is a practice exclusively identified with jewish males.

if you're asking where did the jews get the idea, that's an interesting question for which i doubt anyone's going to have a satisfying answer.

ed

 

[BaltoBoy]

Other than the biblical references, in the US it was first championed by Kellogg (yea the corn flakes guy) as a way to stop boys from masturbating. Over the years it became standard practice.

Yeah...how's that working out? hahha

that guy was a goofball.

 

[fire_breeze]

<snip>
if you're asking where did the jews get the idea, that's an interesting question for which i doubt anyone's going to have a satisfying answer.

ed

Circumcision is actually an ancient practice all over the Levant (Middle East and Egypt) and certain parts of Africa. Most scholars think it actually stemmed from hygienic reasons that ended up becoming religious (such as the prohibition from eating pork - at least that's one theory anyway).

The main, and most popular, thought surrounding circumcision is that it originated where water was not readily available, and therefore properly cleaning the penis was difficult at best. Because these areas tend to be dusty with sand getting in everywhere, it was vitally important to keep the head clean to prevent inflammation. The best way to do so was to remove the foreskin. This practice was then associated with the Covenant (for the ancient Israelites) and as a rite of passage for many other cultures that inhabited the region. It became a mark of becoming a man or becoming the Chosen People.

Contrastingly, in the Mediterranean and Europe, circumcision was not practised (perhaps precisely because of the readily available sources of water) and thought of as odd, possibly because the ancients had no need for it. When Christianity became its own religion, it followed the theology laid forth in Genesis that the body was created in the image of God and therefore any permanent removal of limb that was not due to medical or accidental reasons, was going against God. Circumcision, in the eyes of the early Christians, was messing up the image of God. This is why piercing and tattoos were considered to be taboo for the longest time among Christians (the strongest opponents), Jews and Muslims. It's only later that piercing for women became acceptable and that because of the cultural influences.

That's the prevalent theory anyway.

/history of culture lesson.

 

[shiny5437]

fire_breeze, on the sand front I also read somewhere that it was the US experience of 'sand problems' in WW2 that has kept it popular over there.

Has anybody heard of 'rollback'? This is where uncut guys like to keep the skin rolled back, sometimes with tape etc. There was a huge thread on this on the UK menshealth forum. Anybody tried it?

 

[lick8your8face8]

I was once uncut and now I'm cut.

The thing is, I was cut when I was very young. Unfortunatly, I was old enough to remember much of what was going on around me but not know what was happening at the time.

I remember the visits to the doctor because of the infections that led to the decesion to get me circumcised.

I remember the pain of the infections very vividly, although to this day I've never had the balls to ask my mother what caused them. I have a few flash memories of the pre operation and walking around being followed by drs and nurses while I had an IV attached to me. And I also vividly remember the pain of healing, as well as a weird plastic or rubber ring that was in place during the time of healing and how much it hurt when it finally fell off on its own.

Personally, I'm very happy with my dick. I'm pro curcumcision and when my son is born (he is still in the planning stages) I'm going to insist that he be cut at birth to spare him the pain and truma of having it done at a later date.

 

[SweetErika]

Personally, I'm very happy with my dick. I'm pro curcumcision and when my son is born (he is still in the planning stages) I'm going to insist that he be cut at birth to spare him the pain and truma of having it done at a later date.

Will you also insist on a double mastectomy for your daughter, to spare her the pain and trauma of needing a breast reduction or getting breast cancer later in life?

How about having your daughter's labia reduced or removed *just in case* they end up being too large and uncomfortable/problematic for her?

What if your son feels traumatized for the rest of his life by your decision to mutilate his genitals, thereby significantly decreasing his sensitivity, sexual pleasure and changing the way he has sex? The pain of recovery from circumcision is temporary in most cases; the pain of feeling cheated out of normal function by one's parents and doctor is often permanent.

 

[lick8your8face8]

Will you also insist on a double mastectomy for your daughter, to spare her the pain and trauma of needing a breast reduction or getting breast cancer later in life?

How about having your daughter's labia reduced or removed *just in case* they end up being too large and uncomfortable/problematic for her?

What if your son feels traumatized for the rest of his life by your decision to mutilate his genitals, thereby significantly decreasing his sensitivity, sexual pleasure and changing the way he has sex? The pain of recovery from circumcision is temporary in most cases; the pain of feeling cheated out of normal function by one's parents and doctor is often permanent.

Don't change the focus of the subject. I simply weighed in with my OPINION and my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE in the fine tradition that seems to be Literotica.

I won't dictate what my wife is saying I should type for the simple fact that we are new here and opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

How you can compare the mutaliation of the feminine form to a ritual that has been practiced around the globe for thousands of years for many diffrent reasons? This is an unfair comparsion.

Besides, do you have a penis? Do you know what it feels like to have a foreskin infection? How about when the skin just tightens up and completly cuts the bloodflow from the head? I don't think you've ever had to worry about your clit falling off from lack of blood circulation (But if you have I'll retract the above statement).

For some a circumcision isn't a choice. I didn't have a choice when I had my infection at 3 years old. And belive me, it SUCKS to be just becoming aware of your body and associating your penis with mind numbing pain, esp. when these are some of your first memories.

I think I would have been spared the pain and embarssment (yes, I was embarrassed at 3, because I was walking around a hospital with a cath stuck in me and an entourage of intrested people) if I had mine when I was born.

Now excuse me while I leave you to your barrel of chocolate while I go fuck my wife with my 8 inch circumcised cock.