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policywank said:
I feel as though some men desire women but don't really like women as people. One of the most odious versions of that is guys who get off on the idea of dominating women who don't want to be dominated. But beyond that it is fairly common for men to want to control women in more subtle ways and make acceptance of us conditional upon us abiding by society's rules. That suggests they regard us as possessions more so than equal people.

So to your point their isn't much of a line between being hateful versus just not liking very much. And I think men are fearful of women because we clearly hold the balance of power in sexual relations - not just one to one but throughout society. A man who imagines himself a stud struggles to accept the reality that any woman he finds attractive can almost certainly outpace him in every way when it comes to sex or attracting mates.

It is interesting the way this behaviour works against men and women alike. I get a big thrill out of being a naked woman among clothed men. And if I feel like I am in a safe environment I can get pretty adventurous. For me that means a very controlled environment like a strip club or one where I know and trust the men present or certain types of public spaces where nudity is accepted. But as soon as one meathead starts behaving like a tool then it is all over. Why do some guys think that my being naked means I am open to being verbally or physically assaulted? I think that for 99.99% of women who enjoy being naked around clothed men there are two choices: 1) I am naked enjoying myself and you can observe and interact with me respectfully; or 2) I put my clothes back on. There is no third option where I want you to get naked too or say rude things or try to grope me or tie me up and abuse me. Any guy who insists on believing that nonsense will not be invited to the party so to speak.

The men who actually like women figure this out. Reality is that I like being sexual. I like being playful and am open to some risqué behaviour. And men who genuinely like women as people seem to have a much better idea where to draw the line. Personally if I am around guys who aren't like that I draw the line much further back because I don't trust them and then everyone misses out.
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Thank you so much for this.

And thanks to the others who spoke up in disquiet about violence against women. No matter what a person's political opinions, all men and women are equally human, equally deserving of respect and dignity. The idea that some humans are superior and others inferior is just bullshit.

The more of us who speak up about this, the less tenable it becomes for those bullshit violent ideas to be spoken out loud. Make the bigots and the misogynists afraid again!

And no, this is not an attack on free speech. If you attack me (posting violence against women) then I reserve the right of counterattack.
 
I TOTALLY AGREE AND SUPPORT WHAT PLICYWANK AND MOLLYLONGLEGS SAID!

PLAY AND VIOLENCE ARE A LONG WAY APART AND MUST BE RESPECTED!

MY WIFE WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE INCLINED TO BE RISQUE AND SEXUAL IN PLAY SITUATIONS IF SHE FELT MORE 'SAFE'!

That's all and I say LOVE women! They are amazing and adorable! I for one are more a lover than a fighter.
 
Psychprofgal said:
I TOTALLY AGREE AND SUPPORT WHAT PLICYWANK AND MOLLYLONGLEGS SAID!

PLAY AND VIOLENCE ARE A LONG WAY APART AND MUST BE RESPECTED!

MY WIFE WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE INCLINED TO BE RISQUE AND SEXUAL IN PLAY SITUATIONS IF SHE FELT MORE 'SAFE'!

That's all and I say LOVE women! They are amazing and adorable! I for one are more a lover than a fighter.
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I need to sign myself in....not from my wife! Though I know she would agree and now we'll see if she does when she visits here.
 
mollylonglegs2020 said:
Thank you so much for this.

And thanks to the others who spoke up in disquiet about violence against women. No matter what a person's political opinions, all men and women are equally human, equally deserving of respect and dignity. The idea that some humans are superior and others inferior is just bullshit.

The more of us who speak up about this, the less tenable it becomes for those bullshit violent ideas to be spoken out loud. Make the bigots and the misogynists afraid again!

And no, this is not an attack on free speech. If you attack me (posting violence against women) then I reserve the right of counterattack.
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You are so welcome. We have to speak up. It has always struck me that the men that are portrayed being abusive with women in these pictures are frequently rather unimpressive specimens themselves. They seem like men who are insecure about their own mediocrity. They may be dumb or narcissistic enough to imagine themselves superior or dominant, but their behaviour is really projecting their own subconscious sense of inferiority. They are not the man they want to be or imagine themselves to be, but don't have the courage or fortitude to face their own reality so they take it out on others or try to compel others to participate in their self delusion.

To be clear, I think mature adults can distinguish between abusive behaviour and BDSM. I personally enjoy certain aspects of BDSM with enthusiastic, consenting partners and it isn't for me to tell anyone else how far they should go. But when it is presented as non-consensual violence that encourages the bigots and misogynists, which is a big problem.

Plus none of this is the topic of this thread!
 
I am personally not into bdsm; I find the whole dominance and submission thing to be totally boring. But I'm not bagging out others for engaging in consensual play. Whatever turns your crank. I just want to make that clear: if someone wants their partner to tie them up and play games around trust, then good for them.

What I object to is images of violence associated with sex. Those pictures above do not depict the women consenting or enjoying being tied up. The expressions on their faces clearly show distress. To me the pictures depict abuse and violence against women. I'm pissed that insecure men think they can hijack a thread about empowered women in control of their sexuality (my intention for this CMNF thread) with images depicting the complete opposite. The women in those pictures are not having a good time, they are enduring violent sexual abuse.

I'm also not calling for anyone to be banned. I would just like to make the spaces I enjoy openly hostile to misogynists, bigots and other abusers. This is because if you tolerate bigotry, pretty soon all you have are bigots, everyone else will find somewhere more pleasant to hang. And when was the last time a bigot had anything interesting or worthwhile to say? (Hint: never).

To the guys who posted that garbage: You are welcome here. Your violent misogynistic trash isn't.
 
I can understand both sides.

Having raised six daughters, of which all have managed to be quite productive to society, I understand and always encouraged them, taught them to be independent, and even encouraged have a sense of entrepreneur spirit. However, their mother was fun-loving and different as a wife.

To that end I cannot make a reasonable determination on whether these ladies are under duress or not in the aforementioned pictures.

I know one night while on a dinner date, WHILE DRIVING, I was able to “strip” my wife of her dress and heels, and had her naked in the car for the two-hour ride home. She was naked, mortified and ashamed even as I “made” her run naked from the car to the house. Once when she said she was going to put something nice on in the master bedroom closet, she came out to find she had to bite upon my belt and crawl across the floor into my lap.

In all of those things she looked nervous and afraid. Yet, she later told me she masturbated to the thoughts of those doing those things because “it was so hot”. Those are her words and not mine. For whatever reason, she enjoyed doing sexual trysts that were outside her comfort zone like public nudity, having sex outside, and provocative dress at restaurants, etc.

But sex is like that. What would mortify me, is something others would super-orgasm at, and why we should not be judgmental. There are predators out there for sure, and I assure you, no one would deliver more justice than I would as I would protect my daughters to the death. But I also know, many of the photos depicted would be something the mother of my daughters would orgasm at again and again, just because it was what she loved sexually.
 
CuttingEdge said:
I can understand both sides.

Having raised six daughters, of which all have managed to be quite productive to society, I understand and always encouraged them, taught them to be independent, and even encouraged have a sense of entrepreneur spirit. However, their mother was fun-loving and different as a wife.

To that end I cannot make a reasonable determination on whether these ladies are under duress or not in the aforementioned pictures.

I know one night while on a dinner date, WHILE DRIVING, I was able to “strip” my wife of her dress and heels, and had her naked in the car for the two-hour ride home. She was naked, mortified and ashamed even as I “made” her run naked from the car to the house. Once when she said she was going to put something nice on in the master bedroom closet, she came out to find she had to bite upon my belt and crawl across the floor into my lap.

In all of those things she looked nervous and afraid. Yet, she later told me she masturbated to the thoughts of those doing those things because “it was so hot”. Those are her words and not mine. For whatever reason, she enjoyed doing sexual trysts that were outside her comfort zone like public nudity, having sex outside, and provocative dress at restaurants, etc.

But sex is like that. What would mortify me, is something others would super-orgasm at, and why we should not be judgmental. There are predators out there for sure, and I assure you, no one would deliver more justice than I would as I would protect my daughters to the death. But I also know, many of the photos depicted would be something the mother of my daughters would orgasm at again and again, just because it was what she loved sexually.
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I think that the problem with those pictures is in how they are perceived and the influence they have.

What you describe is a situation that people might not understand but in which you know with clarity that your wife is enjoying the experience. When it is that direct personal experience and you have that clarity that is all that matters. Other people aren't seeing it or being influenced by your interactions with your wife so why should any of us judge. Moreover none of the scenarios you describe with your wife suggest the appearance of being abusive. Running naked from the car or public nudity are very much in line with the theme of this thread. The thing the OP is objecting to is the images that strongly suggest a woman is being abused against her will.

Even that is ok if all parties are consenting, but that isn't the point. Imagine if you were engaging in seriously rough play with your wife and your daughters were seeing it and seriously perceiving that you were being abusive towards your wife. Or imagine if your daughters' boyfriends was seeing it and taking away the lesson that it is ok to treat your daughter that way against her will. The point then isn't whether or not your wife was in fact consenting but that your daughters or their boyfriends think she wasn't consenting and the message that you are sending to them.

Likewise the issue with these image doesn't lie with those of us who realize that everyone has their own preferences and as long as they are all consenting adults not under duress it is not for us to judge. The issue lies with those for whom these images reinforce misogynistic attitudes that result in actions that are seriously detrimental and harmful to women. These images do motivate and inspire predators who would do harm to your daughters at a time and place when you are not there to protect them.

Meanwhile I don't support censorship. Typically we achieve a balance by limiting those images to the appropriate forum. This particular thread is not that forum. The OP started a CMNF thread, not a rough sex where it looks like women are being abused thread. There are plenty such forums already. You and your wife may truly enjoy playing rough, but I assume you wouldn't do it at the church picnic or where people might truly get the wrong impression because that is the wrong forum.
 
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SlutAddicted said:
I think that the problem with those pictures is in how they are perceived and the influence they have.

What you describe is a situation that people might not understand but in which you know with clarity that your wife is enjoying the experience. When it is that direct personal experience and you have that clarity that is all that matters. Other people aren't seeing it or being influenced by your interactions with your wife so why should any of us judge. Moreover none of the scenarios you describe with your wife suggest the appearance of being abusive. Running naked from the car or public nudity are very much in line with the theme of this thread. The thing the OP is objecting to is the images that strongly suggest a woman is being abused against her will.

Even that is ok if all parties are consenting, but that isn't the point. Imagine if you were engaging in seriously rough play with your wife and your daughters were seeing it and seriously perceiving that you were being abusive towards your wife. Or imagine if your daughters' boyfriends was seeing it and taking away the lesson that it is ok to treat your daughter that way against her will. The point then isn't whether or not your wife was in fact consenting but that your daughters or their boyfriends think she wasn't consenting and the message that you are sending to them.

Likewise the issue with these image doesn't lie with those of us who realize that everyone has their own preferences and as long as they are all consenting adults not under duress it is not for us to judge. The issue lies with those for whom these images reinforce misogynistic attitudes that result in actions that are seriously detrimental and harmful to women. These images do motivate and inspire predators who would do harm to your daughters at a time and place when you are not there to protect them.

Meanwhile I don't support censorship. Typically we achieve a balance by limiting those images to the appropriate forum. This particular thread is not that forum. The OP started a CMNF thread, not a rough sex where it looks like women are being abused thread. There are plenty such forums already. You and your wife may truly enjoy playing rough, but I assume you wouldn't do it at the church picnic or where people might truly get the wrong impression because that is the wrong forum.
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Well said.
 
Yes, that was very well said SlutAddicted. Thank you for sharing and countering my points poignantly.

You make some very valid and compelling points, with just one being; there are other sub-forums for some of the more dire pictures on this thread, and they do belong there.

Equally, a strong point to is that there are predators among us. That is the true shame.
 
mollylonglegs2020 said:
You know the genre CFNM? Clothed female, naked male? Does anyone else like it the other way around, clothed male, naked female? I do sometimes enjoy being the naked chick in a room full of dudes!
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Yes please cmnf
mollylonglegs2020 said:
You know the genre CFNM? Clothed female, naked male? Does anyone else like it the other way around, clothed male, naked female? I do sometimes enjoy being the naked chick in a room full of dudes!
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cmnf yes please
 
 
mollylonglegs2020 said:
Now it's coming up to summer in Sydney I'm thinking again of hanging out by the pool in a tiny wicked weasel bikini when my 20 yo son has friends over. I can imagine five or six young men in boardshorts and shirts, as I slip my little bikini off and become the naked female in a group of clothed males.
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Suddenly I have "Stacy's Mom" stuck in my head.
 
I absolutely love this thread!

We hosted both cmnf and a cfnm parties many years ago it was incredibly stimulating to see the men in suits and the naked women and being one of the the naked men amongst a house full of elegantly dressed women.


I also had a short relationship with a woman who would invite me over, she would be naked and masturbate while I sat fully clothed and watched her. After she had come several times she would open my fly and suck me while continuing to get herself off again. After I had come I would tuck myself away and leave.

Many times we never spoke a word to each other.
 
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