Collective story

[littlelulu30]

The thing is that you are building a discussion about these paragraphs on pure conjecture. I do know the difference between RP and NCS and by no means I try to picture or promote a non-consent rel. here. It shows a domineering man and a woman who is unsure of what to expect, which to me it’s just a way to build the intrigue in BDSM fiction. In most of these books the suspense lies in the subs learning process, and they are often portrayed as insecure and seeking for guidance. Some people’s personality may not fit the description, others would say that this is not the way a BDSM rel. is develop in real life, so what? Stories of this kind are aimed towards mentally healthy people who are mature enough to discern reality from fiction, certainly not 16 year olds. You can´t say a serial killer will commit his crimes bcs he has seen too many horror films, in the same way you don´t have the context to say that this text leads towards the ravaging of a poor woman either in the story or out of it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Stop defending your shitty story beginning. It doesn't matter who you think stories like this one are aimed at, it's still a shitty story. Think of a better one.

What everyone has said is that they are sick and tired of the "domineering man and insecure woman who is unsure of what to expect" trope.
It's old.
It's tired.
It's been done to death, and the bloodless corpse is still being beaten.

I, for one, am sick of "the sub's learning process" stories. I am sick of the lie that women are always submissive, I am sick of the lie that they 'don't know what to expect" (as if every woman in the world has never heard of BDSM by now) And I am extra sick and tired of the constant portrayal of the Domineering man.

I am extra-extra sick and tired of the trope that he is born knowing exactly what to do-- give us a story about a dominant's learning process, and you might have something worth reading.

 

[desertslave]

Did those "intense conversations" include BDSM-ish topics?

At the risk of pimping my stories, read these. They're roughly 85% autobiographical, with the usual places and names adjusted, etc and a few fixes for continuity (there was more going on in the actual relationship, but it's complicated and I just didn't want to put it in what I intended to be an entertaining Lit story).

Impulse Control
An Intimate Evening
Initiation to Submission

 

[Stella_Omega]

At the risk of pimping my stories, read these. They're roughly 85% autobiographical, with the usual places and names adjusted, etc and a few fixes for continuity (there was more going on in the actual relationship, but it's complicated and I just didn't want to put it in what I intended to be an entertaining Lit story).

Impulse Control
An Intimate Evening
Initiation to Submission

Always pimp! You can imagine the scenario isn't exactly my favorite, but you write very very well.

 

[desertslave]

Always pimp! You can imagine the scenario isn't exactly my favorite, but you write very very well.

Wow, thank you very much!

Please don't take this as snarky, it's truly not meant to be so but will probably sound that way. It might not be your favorite scenario, but it's still quite real. Most stereotypes, memes, tropes, etc have a significant grain of truth to them. I took issue with Lovecraft's observation because it implied (to me, anyway) that all people in BDSM somehow start that way, which makes no sense. There are always new people being introduced, either because they have an unfulfilled desire OR because someone else has designs on them. We're not all, sprung at birth, willing and eager lambs to the slaughter.

Sir told me, a few years after, that my innocence had appealed to him. I laughed almost to tears because, while I wasn't at all kinky when we met time, I was several years beyond innocent. I swear, for some guys, that attraction to the virgin/whore dichotomy must be hard-wired.

 

[midwestyankee]

Once again, it seems I've missed all the fun. So much popcorn and so little of the movie left. I suppose we'll hear one more pathetic defense of the "shark arts" of big domly dom strong guy using all his big domly powers to subdue a completely helpless pretty young thing. All this story lacks is an offer of candy and a badly stained mattress in the back of a panel van. Or am I being my usual overly kind self here?

 

[KoPilot]

Wow, thank you very much!

Please don't take this as snarky, it's truly not meant to be so but will probably sound that way. It might not be your favorite scenario, but it's still quite real. Most stereotypes, memes, tropes, etc have a significant grain of truth to them. I took issue with Lovecraft's observation because it implied (to me, anyway) that all people in BDSM somehow start that way, which makes no sense. There are always new people being introduced, either because they have an unfulfilled desire OR because someone else has designs on them. We're not all, sprung at birth, willing and eager lambs to the slaughter.

Sir told me, a few years after, that my innocence had appealed to him. I laughed almost to tears because, while I wasn't at all kinky when we met time, I was several years beyond innocent. I swear, for some guys, that attraction to the virgin/whore dichotomy must be hard-wired.

Yes, it's also why I can't be 100% critical of similar stereotypes either. Especially "naive girl" dub-con stories, because that was how the entire weekend went when we first met. He wasn't exploitative at all, but I just did not know how to give consent. I still don't. If we separated and I somehow found myself someone else, then the only way that relationship would start, let alone go anywhere, would be if we both could navigate my inability to give consent. Like it's literally a brain wired thing. I don't understand how to do it in the same way I don't know how to flirt, how to initiate intimacy, how to get close to people beyond friendship. It's a language I do not understand.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Once again, it seems I've missed all the fun. So much popcorn and so little of the movie left. I suppose we'll hear one more pathetic defense of the "shark arts" of big domly dom strong guy using all his big domly powers to subdue a completely helpless pretty young thing. All this story lacks is an offer of candy and a badly stained mattress in the back of a panel van. Or am I being my usual overly kind self here?

“Okay mister, you know what? I pretended to believe you had candy in this van, but sometimes the dick just ain’t worth the trouble.”

 

[littlelulu30]

Your derogatory comments show that you do not like it, so what? I will not stop defending it bcs your interpretation of my intentions when writing this paragraph was based on false premises, unfortunately, judgement is usually born of wrong assumptions and misinterpretations. The grabbing of the woman's arm seems to bother you a lot. You are right although in thinking that i meant it to be a sign of the man's desire to dominate the woman. However, he doesn´t do anything to her in the text, but you thought he could or he wanted to, why?? There is no portrait of abuse here except in the scene you thought it could follow. You can´t say I aided to the promoting of any kind of violence towards women in this text. Abusers and manipulators are everywhere but you blame the misuse and distorsion of BDSM on fiction and that's a long way from the truth. I understand that you want to make the point that the typical Alpha male and the helpless woman is not realistic and not common in BDSM, and i´m fine with that. But because it is not your style or it's not what you would do, you chose to put the label of NC on it. You have no right to categorise all these men as wive's beaters.You think me old-fashioned cause I find the bad guy type sexy? Oh, but it's still soooo a la mode Many people in and out of the BDSM community find the sight of a small helpless looking woman sensual, as much as sub women feel a strong desire to be submitted by large powerful partners.
I understand the some real submissives don´t like to be portrayed as the little lambs cause they are anything like that. It is great news that most people today reject traditional role models. Equality is the key to progress, most of us know that by now and I totally agree with you. As I tried to explain before, neither in reality nor in fiction, do these views produce positive or negative effects per se. Men and women should be equals in regards to occupation and daily life areas. But, i´m sorry, in what concerns to sexuality, most people still respond to the "big domly dom strong guy using all his big domly powers to subdue a completely helpless pretty young thing" and this role-based fantasies are common ground. Cause it is simply natural, a man’s impulse to dominate a woman (keep your hair on, i´m fully aware that it often goes the other way around) often steams from a biological urge to keep her safe, therefore most men need to be in control. A man’s desire to dominate and a woman’s need to be submitted can be met in many ways that are valid as long as they instill mutual respect.
Allow me to tell you that these stories don´t have a demonizing effect on the perception of BDSM by the rest of world, at least not on people who are intelligent enough to distinguish what's real and what's the product of imagination. Many people think of submissives as doomats, i can´t deny that. But the problem is in them, don´t blame their missconceptions on anyone else. You can´t say novels or whatever form of exposure to traditional top/bot roles are the trigger to crimes. There is a big leap between the guy that shows self-assertiveness when flirting and a tyrannical bastard. Those are either born with a disfunctional mind or are brought up to be abusers in the comfort of their own house. Believe me, anthropological criminology has demostrated that they don´t need to look for inspiration in stories...
If anything, most of these stories help to question what's normal and abnormal sexual activity and broden perspectives, encourage communication between partners, address the issue of taboos etc... The general public today don´t think of sadism in the BDSM context as a pathology anymore, at least, give them that. But anyway, I don´t think fiction about bdsm or any other subject should be written for educational purposes, other genders cover that issue. As you have well determined by now, they are based on fantasies. Predatory large control driven dominants make fine attractive heroes for readers who are curious about BDSM. This doesnt mean that this type of relationship should take place in or out of the BDSM world. In my opinion, the beauty in these non realistic BDSM stories that you hate so much lies in the fact that, despite all its obscurity (which again let me tell you that it's aimed to boost intrigue), the overall effect in the end is that the dom proves to be worthy of trust and the subs' needs are met. Many people enjoy a happy simple ending with a win-win situation

 

[KoPilot]

What I find interesting is that you assumed that everyone who participated would just understand that you intended this to be an m-dom/f-sub pair, that they didn't know each other already, and that it would end, by your definition, "well".

You have a really cookie-cutter impression of what BDSM is, don't you?

Even though they were more or less sarcastic, you technically got developments to your story, and you discounted them because they didn't go where you wanted them to go.

Funny... this is why we generally need consent with these kinds of things instead of just doing shit and hoping the other party is into it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I get a kick out of the wall-o-text rationalization, complete with strawman arguments, and the ever-popular;

"Well, you're right but I don't want to be wrong so you're wrong."

Are you SecondCircle's alt?

You have a really cookie-cutter impression of what BDSM is, don't you?

I'd say they have a really cookie-cutter impression of what romance novels are.

 

[littlelulu30]

"you intended this to be an m-dom/f-sub pair, that they didn't know each other already, and that it would end, by your definition, "well"" do you really intend to base any of those assumptions on what i've written?
I did want to portrait them as a man and a woman with respectively dominant and submissive characters. You got confused about the ending, though, it's meant to be an open story, that's the magic of it. What i said was that many people enjoyed such a stories, including me of course, and by "well" i mean an ending in which both partners get a reasonable level of agreement and satisfaction I didn´t "discount" the contributions, I just said that they could be labelled as NC without the right context, couldn´t they?
"you have a really cookie-cutter impression of what BDSM is, don't you?"
No, i dont. I suppose you refer to my point about dom male- sub women, which was based on society as a whole, not on BDSM. I advise you to read more carefully. i don´t believe BDSM is supposed to go a certain way. On the contrary, there are doms with more assertive characters than others. There are subs with strong willpower and some that lack of it. Their diversity is also reflected on the wide range of practises that BDSM embraces. It is not me who has a fixed idea on how things should be.

Stella.... Rationalization and discussion are positive in my opinion. It's in any case better than gratuitious disqualification. Start over, please, i think you missed something again...

 

[KoPilot]

I'd say they have a really cookie-cutter impression of what romance novels are.

I said "impression", not "understanding". ;P

I did want to portrait them as a man and a woman with respectively dominant and submissive characters. You got confused about the ending, though, it's meant to be an open story, that's the magic of it. What i said was that many people enjoyed such a stories, including me of course, and by "well" i mean an ending in which both partners get a reasonable level of agreement and satisfaction I didn´t "discount" the contributions, I just said that they could be labelled as NC without the right context, couldn´t they?

I'd like to see you build on Stella's or Stag of Oberon's reply, then. If you really wanted this to be open-ended.

 

[littlelulu30]

Truly sorry that you didn´t get an impression that was closer to reality. I'll be glad to elaborate any of the points i've made about the rest of participants who have shared their thoughts, just tell me on which parts you have doubts.

 

[desertslave]

At this point I just want to know what the heck is up with lulu's apostrophe mark. I keep seeing an accent aigu instead.

 

[MeekMe]

It's possible that this has been over looked but Stella mentioned long ago that this thread is in the wrong place. I doubt anyone would have reacted this strongly had this thread been in a more appropriate place.

That being said, littlelulu30 seems to be new. Her only posts are right here.

Perhaps, littlelulu30, it would be wise to check out the rest of the forum and learn about each section. At the top of every section is usually a welcome post that gives descriptions and even rules. Like THIS ONE.

I don't agree with where the story started or even where it seemed to be going. On the other hand this has spurred a discussion about how society views BDSM and the impact of story lines like this.

So it started as something that most likely didn't belong here, and it's now a discussion that makes sense in the BDSM Talk section. Do with this what you will.

 

[CutieMouse]

Hi doms and subs! I find collective writing fascinating. I happen to be inclined towards the D/s side and I would like to develop a story of that kind. So I have just started with the following passage. If someone feels like contributing, please feel free. I hope that writers and readers enjoy this initiative.

I've been trying to figure out how the hell a "collective story" managed to get two pages of responses from the BDSM Talk crowd.

I contributed to [fixed, IMO] your story...

It had been a long day. She was glad the "usual crowd" was at her favorite pub; she didn't really feel like dealing with strangers. Joe, from down the hall was there. He introduced her to Chris, an old college friend. Joe and Chris had attended Oxford; like many America's on work visas, Emily didn't understand half of what was being said.

Chris was glad when Joe introduced him to Emily. He couldn't see many details of her figure (stupid Puritanical modesty!), but there was something in how she walked that made him want to. He couldn't quite pin her down... slim, mousy brown hair. How old was she? How YOUNG was she?

By the time she returned to their table from the bar, he'd made up his mind he didn't want to share this woman. Not even over a pint.

Emily suddenly felt that weird "sixth sense" that her grandmother always told her to trust. Glancing up, she saw Joe's friend (what was his name?) sitting there. Staring at her.

"Weirdo", she thought. And then, he smiled. Alarm bells went off in her head. "I need to leave with everyone else", she thought. He was still staring. Worse, he shifted in his chair and partially blocked her path. Now what was she going to do? Creepy (Chris! That was his name! Creepy Chris!) guy was still there. Looking more asshole-ishly hostile by the second. She smiled, hoping to diffuse the situation. Her eyes darted around the room, looking for an escape route and opportunity to slip past him.

"She's plotting. I can see it in her eyes" he thought, calmly sipping his drink. I wonder if she's plotting her (useless) escape, because she wants to get away, or because she wants a chance to be alone... with me. "No matter; we'll be alone soon enough." He noticed the crowd thinning, but stayed in place, intentionally pinning her to her spot.

"Shit!" she thought. "The ONE time I show up late and get stuck in the corner, this asshole has to show up." Emily made a mental note to have a little "chat" with Joe about his friend's creepy behavior.

Everyone was wrapping things up, grabbing jackets, talking shop. She stood to leave, noticing that Creepy Chris was ignoring everyone except her. He sat there, deaf [dumb] and blind, sipping his bourbon... watching her. A few coworkers seemed to notice, and made weak attempts to invite her to walk to the Tube with them.

"No," said Creepy Chris. "I'll take Miss Emily home."

Emily tried to protest, really she did. But something about his tone silenced everyone, and one by one she watched her coworkers leave. All except for Joe. For some reason he stayed, trying to distract [Creepy] Chris; offering Emily opportunities to talk about her [imaginary] boyfriend, [immaginary] roommate, [imaginary] Great Dane...

Finally, even Joe realized he couldn't win, and said goodnight, concern in his eyes. Chris didn't even notice. Emily did. Joe turned back at the door, just in time to see Chris wrap his hand around Emily's forearm, and jerk her back into her seat. He sighed and pulled a cell phone from his pocket as he walked out the door, into the foggy London air.

"So. I finally have you to myself," Chris said.

His voice was... oily. Arrogant. The voice of a spoiled child in a man's body.

Emily quickly scanned the pub. No coworkers. No friends. No help.

She could tell from the misogynistic grin beaming across his face, that he thought she was nervous. Her composure was wearing thin. No coworkers. No friends. No help. She glanced down at her watch. He was talking, but she wasn't paying attention.

They'd been alone for just under 5 minutes. She appeased [tolerated] him for two minutes more, then cut him off in mid-sentence.

"I do appreciate your weak attempts at seduction, really, I do. I will be sure to add your lame-ass and boorish behavior to my files. But this has gone on long enough; I need to get home. Let me by. Now."

She watched it hit him. His eyes hardened first. Then the lips. Then the jaw. Men like Chris never seemed to see it coming, but they were so predictable. She glanced at the door, seeing the policeman glance through the thinning crowd as he entered. She stood and caught his eye, just as Chris grabbed her wrist.

"I SAID NO!" she yelled, twisting his wrist and hand back into a stress position. The cop caught his other arm, just as he started to swing.

"Is there a problem here, Miss?"

"Yes..."

***

She closed the door of her flat softly, the cat rubbing against her leg in greeting. She could see moonlight flooding through the bedroom windows, and ached for bed. "Shower first" she said to the cat, "rules are rules, after all." Quietly padding to the bathroom, she turned the ancient taps until water grumbled through the pipes, filling the air with steam. She lit a few candles, turned off the light, stripped and stepped into the heat. Rivulets of liquid fire dripped down her face, their staccato rhythm drumming against her breasts.

She never even heard him; he'd waited until the air was so thick with steam, his presence wouldn't be noticed. The first clue he was there, was the hand wrapped tightly around her neck...

"Well managed, sweetheart."

"Mmmmmm...." she sighed, slumping back against his chest, relaxing into the grip around her throat. "Thanks for sending in the policeman. Your timing was impeccable, as always."

"You're welcome," he whispered in her ear, nipping at her earlobe. "I might trust you against your average Alpha pub-hopper, but I won't risk you." His grip tightened. "Broken fuck-toys don't make pleasant bedfellows..."

They met on a working day. At a pub he regularly attended with his workmates. They were introduced by one of his male associates, a sociable handy man. She was new to the city. She was a foreigner too and was trying to blend in with the British folks. He followed her form all the way down to the counter when she went to ask for an apple juice. She was an average sight, small thin brown haired girl. Her slim body and complexion made her look at least ten years younger. He felt frustrated when he tried to determine the curve of her hips and the size of her breasts. She was wearing a long loose summer dress. She moved back to the table where the group was chatting animatedly. Her voice sounded soft and low when she answered a typical question by one of the guys. He didn´t like this course of events though. He had already made his decision. He wasn´t letting her flirt with any of those morons. His gaze hardened involuntarily at her. She was drawn to meet the eyes that had set on her so intensely. She looked puzzled, even frightened for a few seconds. Then, she tried to hide her lack of confidence behind a flashing smile, which he took as a deviant gesture. The next ten minutes, while the rest was engaged in a mindless conversation, he set up a complete scheme for her. His mind was racing at 100 miles per minute, fixing her with his gaze. The plan started right then and there.
When the assembly began to tidy up and stand to leave, he stayed in place, casually finishing his drink. He knew she didn´t have a chance to leave without asking him to move. He smiled at her wickedly. The poor creature looked startled. She resolved to end that scene and stood in a swift quick movement. “Excuseme”, her demanding tone echoed loudly in the cubicle that formed their table.
- Are you in a hurry? – He was mocking her. He still didn´t move.
He looked up baldly and buried his sight into the curve of her breasts. She clearly felt his aggressive approach. However, she chose to stop having second thoughts about the guy’s intentions. It was just a casual meeting after work. Nothing remarkable was happening. She sat down again and she started taking out her scarf and put it around her neck. She wanted to show him that she hadn´t abandoned her iniciative to leave. Only when he took the last exasperatingly small sip of his drink it was obvious to her how oblivious he was being to her purpose. It felt even more awkward when the last of the guys waved to them from the front door. She would have felt better if there was some reason to be held back, some conversation going. That would have been normal. However, the man was freakingly silent.
- Well, I´m working tomorrow and there is always so much traffic after…
- Hush, baby, we’ll be leaving in a minute. – he had jerked down her upper arm with his paw and showed no intention of releasing her.

 

[desertslave]

<hands on hips> Miss Mouse, why are there no stories of yours on the rest of the site? That was a splendid solution!

 

[KoPilot]

And scene!

 

[Stella_Omega]

CutieMouse saves the day! And our sanity.

*blows kisses*

 

[littlelulu30]

I don´t mind the switch from fiction into discussion as long as it's based on healthy sensible ideas. I loved your story, it's beautifully written, it releases the right doses of the tension expertly and you manage you express your point of view without resorting to a discouragingly uncivil argument . You have astutely discarded the Mr Darcy and took him out of the picture in an exceptional manner. Although it doesnt describe the process of seduction that i find so erotic, i find it totally valid bcs you developed the story the way you seemed fit. That's what i created this thread for, as a way for people to flourish creativity and hunger for fiction. I don´t mean to say that most contributions to this thread have been sterile bcs they werent fiction, on the contrary, it's been stimulating so far. I hope that you keep developping this story either here or submitting it in the BDSM story section. I would enjoy learning more about those two .
In what concerns to the inadequacy of my posting the beginning of the story here, you are right in that i am new here. However, i don´t think i have broken any rule. The fact that the beginning of the story doesn´t resemble the first steps of a BDSM relationship doesn´t suffice to disqualify it. That alone doesn´t bear out to me placing the story in the wrong section cause i think it's clear by now that by posting it here i meant to develop a romantic tale with BDSM traits and in no case a NC or RP scene. I want you to understand that I (and I'm pretty sure readers and writers) take the imaginary nature of the stories they read for granted. I assume adult readers know what's acceptable in the personal relationships they may initiate.

 

[MeekMe]

I don´t mind the switch from fiction into discussion as long as it's based on healthy sensible ideas. I loved your story, it's beautifully written, it releases the right doses of the tension expertly and you manage you express your point of view without resorting to a discouragingly uncivil argument . You have astutely discarded the Mr Darcy and took him out of the picture in an exceptional manner. Although it doesnt describe the process of seduction that i find so erotic, i find it totally valid bcs you developed the story the way you seemed fit. That's what i created this thread for, as a way for people to flourish creativity and hunger for fiction. I don´t mean to say that most contributions to this thread have been sterile bcs they werent fiction, on the contrary, it's been stimulating so far. I hope that you keep developping this story either here or submitting it in the BDSM story section. I would enjoy learning more about those two .
In what concerns to the inadequacy of my posting the beginning of the story here, you are right in that i am new here. However, i don´t think i have broken any rule. The fact that the beginning of the story doesn´t resemble the first steps of a BDSM relationship doesn´t suffice to disqualify it. That alone doesn´t bear out to me placing the story in the wrong section cause i think it's clear by now that by posting it here i meant to develop a romantic tale with BDSM traits and in no case a NC or RP scene. I want you to understand that I (and I'm pretty sure readers and writers) take the imaginary nature of the stories they read for granted. I assume adult readers know what's acceptable in the personal relationships they may initiate.

You meant to develop a romantic tale with BDSM traits... In the BDSM Talk section dedicated to serious discussion of BDSM.

From the BDSM Talk Welcome Sticky:
"In the Talk forum, our focus is on discussion of BDSM and it's associated sexuality and/or lifestyle choices in real life relationships, but also welcomes discussion of online experiences, and BDSM related fantasy."

"We do not encourage off topic material (excessive flirting or personal conversation that interrupts serious topics) in BDSM Talk threads. Light conversation, flirting, off topic type threads, and funtimes are appreciated and to be had in the BDSM Cafe ."

In the Sexual Role Playing Section Welcome Sticky:

"What are the SRP and ORP forums for?

The Sexual Role Playing and Online Role Playing forums are places where users can collectively create stories. One user will start a story thread, and others can join in, inventing characters and situations as they go along. "

Now that I look at it, you would definitely not get a good reaction in the BDSM Cafe, either.

Would you like me to read through, and look up anything else for you?

 

[CutieMouse]

<hands on hips> Miss Mouse, why are there no stories of yours on the rest of the site? That was a splendid solution!

I don't have any stories on Lt, because I'm not a writer. I enjoy writing, but if I write to produce, or meet self imposed deadlines, or any number of things, the ideas dry up. I knocked that edit out in about 20 minutes; the lack of proper paragraph breaks and poor [jumbled] character development made it interesting.

I don´t mind the switch from fiction into discussion as long as it's based on healthy sensible ideas.

Lovely that you "don't mind"; however, once a thread is started, the OP no longer controls the responses. And (IMO) if you were actually interested in "healthy sensible ideas", you'd actually listen to the input of your audience. NOTHING about your story struck me as healthy or sensible. And don't pull that "but it's just fiction!" crap. Your concept of how (and why) men express dominance is (to me) very disturbing. The dominant character you wrote came across (to me) as a weak little boy, dependent on intimidation and bullying to get his way. That's not healthy or sensible dominance [in my book].

I loved your story, it's beautifully written, it releases the right doses of the tension expertly and you manage you express your point of view without resorting to a discouragingly uncivil argument . You have astutely discarded the Mr Darcy and took him out of the picture in an exceptional manner.

THAT was supposed to be a "Mr. Darcy style" character?

Although it doesn't describe the process of seduction that I find so erotic, I find it totally valid because you developed the story the way you seemed fit.

I think you missed my point.

Just because your male character is an asshole, doesn't make him dominant. Just because you enjoy the thrill of reading about asshole characters, and find the alpha-asshole image hot, doesn't make the story BDSM. Just because a story involves lots of primal, alpha, "me man; you woman" stuff, doesn't make it BDSM.

If people who DO THIS are saying it's not a good fit, even on a fictional fantasy level... you might consider the idea that it's not a good fit.

That's what I created this thread for, as a way for people to flourish creativity and hunger for fiction. I don't mean to say that most contributions to this thread have been sterile because they weren't fiction, on the contrary, it's been stimulating so far.

Proof that you've missed my [our] point -

BDSM Talk is not the appropriate forum for fictional writing with BDSM themes. Fictional stories (collaborative or not), are not the focus nor purpose of BDSM Talk. It *might* be appropriate in BDSM Cafe; however, that would require enough interested participants to keep the thread going. Historically, collaborative stories have done well in the Online Role Playing or Sexual Role Playing forums. Because you can swear up and down your thread isn't a RP, but an interactive, online story with multiple authors best fits the Online RP or Sexual RP forums *due to the organization and structure of the forums as a whole.*

I hope that you keep developing this story either here or submitting it in the BDSM story section. I would enjoy learning more about those two.

There isn't a story to develop. There isn't anything else to learn. Your story involved two people, with no names, one of whom was accosted (and appeared to be walking down the path to rape). I added character names, proper dialogue, and removed the misogynistic ass. That hardly makes it "my" story.

In what concerns to the inadequacy of my posting the beginning of the story here, you are right in that I am new here. However, I don't think I have broken any rule.

The "rule" you broke was a failure to know your audience. BDSM Talk is for conversations regarding actual real life issues on the subject of BDSM. Not fictional "interactive" stories. If you want to offer a thread for people to "flourish creativity and hunger for fiction", then post your thread in a Role Play [STORY] forum; not BDSM Talk.

The fact that the beginning of the story doesn't resemble the first steps of a BDSM relationship doesn't suffice to disqualify it. That alone doesn't bear out to me placing the story in the wrong section cause I think it's clear by now that by posting it here I meant to develop a romantic tale with BDSM traits and in no case a NC or RP scene.

1) See my above points, as well as MeekMe's quote of the BDSM Forum Rules.
2) If multiple readers tell you your story is non-con, your story is non-con - whether you meant it to be or not. Your story reads as non-con. (And by the way I say that as someone who is into consensual non-consent in real life.)

I want you to understand that I (and I'm pretty sure readers and writers) take the imaginary nature of the stories they read for granted. I assume adult readers know what's acceptable in the personal relationships they may initiate.

Fiction is fiction. Got it. The thing you seem to be ignoring is that you have a whole research pool of people expressing similar issues with how your story misrepresents healthy dominant and submissive traits and expressions of power. You get off on reading about asshole alpha males who boorishly bumble about like the dude in 50 Shades of Gray. Awesome. That does not automatically make the story suitable for a BDSM audience.

You meant to develop a romantic tale with BDSM traits... In the BDSM Talk section dedicated to serious discussion of BDSM.

From the BDSM Talk Welcome Sticky:
"In the Talk forum, our focus is on discussion of BDSM and it's associated sexuality and/or lifestyle choices in real life relationships, but also welcomes discussion of online experiences, and BDSM related fantasy."

"We do not encourage off topic material (excessive flirting or personal conversation that interrupts serious topics) in BDSM Talk threads. Light conversation, flirting, off topic type threads, and funtimes are appreciated and to be had in the BDSM Cafe ."

In the Sexual Role Playing Section Welcome Sticky:

"What are the SRP and ORP forums for?

The Sexual Role Playing and Online Role Playing forums are places where users can collectively create stories. One user will start a story thread, and others can join in, inventing characters and situations as they go along. "

Now that I look at it, you would definitely not get a good reaction in the BDSM Cafe, either.

Would you like me to read through, and look up anything else for you?

Thank you for taking the time to look that up, MeekMe. I was going to link it earlier today, but didn't have the time.

Aside - not to be overly nit-picky, or steal SirW's grammatical thunder, but there were so many mistakes that I stopped counting the number of corrections I had to make in the OP's post quoted above. Unsolicited advice - if you want a high quality interactive story to flourish and be successful, bring your "A-game" re: spelling, grammar, character and plot development, and learn how to break up paragraphs to make it easier for your audience to follow along.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Proof that you've missed my [our] point -

OP is a magnificent example of purposeful point-missing. I sometimes have the dubious pleasure of witnessing a strawman arguer practice their specialty, and I am here to say that this person is a fine example of the craft.

The link to this thread is going into my "wierd shit people say that I couldn't even make up" file.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

.... not to ... steal SirW's grammatical thunder... - if you want a high quality interactive story to flourish and be successful, bring your "A-game" re: spelling, grammar, character and plot development, and learn how to break up paragraphs to make it easier for your audience to follow along.

Please feel free to "steal [my] grammatical thunder!" The more people we have working to enforce the importance of spelling, grammar, proper sentence and paragraph construction, and character and plot development, the more we enforce the primary purpose of this site as a whole: to produce, share and enjoy literate non-commercial erotica (literotica), as well as establish a community of literate and articulate people who can converse about the topics that concern/are important to them within the fora provided by the site's owners.