Concrete Criticism Desired

[sr71plt]

Then again, if you like to write a slut, go right ahead. I frequently write male sluts, mostly so because they want a lot and indulge themselves without guilt, and I write them that way because I don't want to spend the time and wordage to breaking down their guilt and reluctance. I have other things to concentrate the story on. If there are readers who may not like that, fuck 'em. Let them write their own stories.

 

[lovecraft68]

You're so welcome. You're much braver than me

Look this slut thing. Male readers don't like them. They love seeing the girl turned into a raving nymphomaniac by the male characters skilled manipulations and (physical and oral) but they don't like it if she's easy.

It gets down to the male need for conquest which gets down to the male ego. And you must remember most readers are male and most of them want to identify with the male lead.

I agree with what you say about the fragile male ego, even in fantasy the woman has to swoon for them That's the reason that femdom stories are in the vast minority in non con, what fun is the man being abused?

But I wonder how you know the majority of readers are men? See, I thought/assumed the same when I started here. over time I have learned it may be far more even than you think.

 

[Perfideous]

I agree with what you say about the fragile male ego, even in fantasy the woman has to swoon for them That's the reason that femdom stories are in the vast minority in non con, what fun is the man being abused?

But I wonder how you know the majority of readers are men? See, I thought/assumed the same when I started here. over time I have learned it may be far more even than you think.

Paragraph two is a tantalizing thought. OK My first story, Daffy and Daisy, a lesbian story ( first on here) rates 4.35 and has been up about a fortnight 11,270 reads. The Light Meter a threesomes incest story rates an embarrassing 4.13 and its over 42000 reads, been up 3 days.

So 4 times as many reads with a guy involved. The read numbers are always higher when a male is center stage. But if you know something about the make up of the Literotica reader base then by all means share.

And as for sr71plt and male sluts. There aren't any. There are males who enjoy a healthy sex drive and it is their God given right to satiate themselves with any female relative, stranger, nurse, teacher they want.

(Yes, I know, blech)

 

[sr71plt]

And as for sr71plt and male sluts. There aren't any. There are males who enjoy a healthy sex drive and it is their God given right to satiate themselves with any female relative, stranger, nurse, teacher they want.

My, what a limited perspective you reveal.

 

[lovecraft68]

Paragraph two is a tantalizing thought. OK My first story, Daffy and Daisy, a lesbian story ( first on here) rates 4.35 and has been up about a fortnight 11,270 reads. The Light Meter a threesomes incest story rates an embarrassing 4.13 and its over 42000 reads, been up 3 days.

So 4 times as many reads with a guy involved. The read numbers are always higher when a male is center stage. But if you know something about the make up of the Literotica reader base then by all means share.

And as for sr71plt and male sluts. There aren't any. There are males who enjoy a healthy sex drive and it is their God given right to satiate themselves with any female relative, stranger, nurse, teacher they want.

(Yes, I know, blech)

First a quick remark on your "male slut" bad double standard, women are sluts, men are not? That's an outdated mentality. And remember the male can only exercise that "god given right" if the woman is willing, the pussy my friend holds the power.

But that is simply a difference in philosophy now onto your stories.

I don't think the votes and views reflect there being a man or no man in the story, its based on category.

Incest will always gain higher views votes than lesbian simply because the category is much larger.

And the strange thing about lesbian is most readers there as well as authors seem to be male (and there are a lot of female readers authors in Gaymale so go figure)

also 4.13 is not embarrassing it's over a four so pretty much a B+ don't get caught up in chasing the numbers.

Once you start either writing in different categories or just start really looking at the top lists you will get a feel for categories that have high view vote totals and the ones that do not.

One note about male/female readership. I was under the assumption mostly men read in the incest category in my 3 years here I have found out there are a lot of women who read it. The difference is its usually the guys reading "mom had a nice butt so I did her" and the women are after, "incest romance"

 

[Derroreaper]

You're so welcome. You're much braver than me

Look this slut thing. Male readers don't like them. They love seeing the girl turned into a raving nymphomaniac by the male characters skilled manipulations and (physical and oral) but they don't like it if she's easy.

It gets down to the male need for conquest which gets down to the male ego. And you must remember most readers are male and most of them want to identify with the male lead.

Yeah, I'd take this with a grain of salt Perf here, doesn't speak for the male readers at Lit. There are plenty enough popular stories base around sluts, tramps, whores, you name it.

As far as it being mostly men reading, I think that's just a guess, and it isn't based on much, considering the female forum members I see here everyday. I'd say they make up 30-40% of the posters, maybe more.

Now, acting like your incest story did better because it had a guy in it, is a little off. It did better, because incest is one of the most popular Genres on the site. Daffy and Daisy makes me think of Scrooge Mc Duck, and duck tales.

 

[CarolinaPeach]

Dammit, doesn't it always happen? I wrote a great reply then accidentally deleted it.

My general thoughts were this... I have a soft spot for sluts. Women in our society are encouraged to feel guilty and dirty about something we are hard wired to enjoy. Dirty and guilty about something that is our basic self. So I like ladies who want what they want and pursue it without guilt and dirty feelings.

Sex has a strong emotional component usually, so people can get turned off by promiscuity due to that. Which is different than the whole dirty/guilt thing.

The two frequently get mixed up though.

Anyway, as for my particular slut... she was not very popular, and I believe that was my failing as a writer. If you are good enough, you can make almost anybody likable.

Oh, and I always assumed more women hung out here. Since my first exposure to erotica was Anais Nin, I tend to think of it as a female thing. But that's all based on pure sentiment and has no objective evidence behind it. It would be nice if somehow we could collect stats on the readership here.

 

[lovecraft68]

]Dammit, doesn't it always happen? I wrote a great reply then accidentally deleted it.[/B]

Copy and paste is your friend. I do it all the time when I'm writing a longer post. You can also try hitting the back button to try to get it back.

 

[sr71plt]

My general thoughts were this... I have a soft spot for sluts. Women in our society are encouraged to feel guilty and dirty about something we are hard wired to enjoy. Dirty and guilty about something that is our basic self. So I like ladies who want what they want and pursue it without guilt and dirty feelings.

Good for you.

 

[Perfideous]

Dear oh Dear

My, what a limited perspective you reveal.

The irony was lost on you I see.

 

[Perfideous]

Yeah, I'd take this with a grain of salt Perf here, doesn't speak for the male readers at Lit. There are plenty enough popular stories base around sluts, tramps, whores, you name it.

As far as it being mostly men reading, I think that's just a guess, and it isn't based on much, considering the female forum members I see here everyday. I'd say they make up 30-40% of the posters, maybe more.

Now, acting like your incest story did better because it had a guy in it, is a little off. It did better, because incest is one of the most popular Genres on the site. Daffy and Daisy makes me think of Scrooge Mc Duck, and duck tales.

You are confusing forum members who post with readers in total. A fairly bold leap to my way of thinking.

I agree the comparison is open to criticism so I will put it aside.

I have no interest in having an online argument with you; you have your opinion and I have mine.

If it's OK with you I'd like to leave it at that.

 

[Perfideous]

Dammit, doesn't it always happen? I wrote a great reply then accidentally deleted it.

My general thoughts were this... I have a soft spot for sluts. Women in our society are encouraged to feel guilty and dirty about something we are hard wired to enjoy. Dirty and guilty about something that is our basic self. So I like ladies who want what they want and pursue it without guilt and dirty feelings.

Sex has a strong emotional component usually, so people can get turned off by promiscuity due to that. Which is different than the whole dirty/guilt thing.

The two frequently get mixed up though.

Anyway, as for my particular slut... she was not very popular, and I believe that was my failing as a writer. If you are good enough, you can make almost anybody likable.

Oh, and I always assumed more women hung out here. Since my first exposure to erotica was Anais Nin, I tend to think of it as a female thing. But that's all based on pure sentiment and has no objective evidence behind it. It would be nice if somehow we could collect stats on the readership here.

Don't get me wrong; I am not a sexist pig. I was talking about the male perception of it being all about him and the woman is there as the prize and the harder she is to get the better the reward. Erotic stories from the female perspective are something I love to read and you do them rather well.

The points I was making have to do with , maybe, hiking up the read numbers but they're your stories and God forbid that I or anyone else should change the way you write or the perspective you use.

 

[sr71plt]

The irony was lost on you I see.

The vastness of the opportunities open to men was obviously lost on you.

tunnel vision.

 

[sr71plt]

You are confusing forum members who post with readers in total. A fairly bold leap to my way of thinking.

I agree the comparison is open to criticism so I will put it aside.

I have no interest in having an online argument with you; you have your opinion and I have mine.

If it's OK with you I'd like to leave it at that.

You also have absolutely no way of knowing the true proportion of men and women doing much of anything on this Web site. It's all raw speculation.

 

[Perfideous]

You also have absolutely no way of knowing the true proportion of men and women doing much of anything on this Web site. It's all raw speculation.

Neither do you. Lets leave it at that.

 

[Perfideous]

The vastness of the opportunities open to men was obviously lost on you.

tunnel vision.

That is nasty and personal.

This thread is for Carolina's benefit not for point scoring.

It would be nice if we could get back to that. It is not a pleasant feeling when your thread gets hi jacked

 

[sr71plt]

Neither do you. Lets leave it at that.

Well, yes, but I haven't done any speculating about it.

(Didn't your post sound a little crazy even to you while you were writing it? )

 

[sr71plt]

That is nasty and personal.

This thread is for Carolina's benefit not for point scoring.

It would be nice if we could get back to that. It is not a pleasant feeling when your thread gets hi jacked

No, it's not. It's about you being stuck in one, obsolete (as another poster pointed out to you) perspective (and being a little neandrathal male piggish in your posts, I must say--but didn't say until now)

I think when you posted that there were no male sluts, the rest of us reading this thread were laughing (and not with you). You've made a couple of sweeping statements here that are laughable.

 

[lovecraft68]

Neither do you. Lets leave it at that.

There is an ignore feature. Use it on Pilot, your life here will be a better experience.

 

[lovecraft68]

Neither do you. Lets leave it at that.

Going by the people I have corresponded with over the last three years, I would say I'm close to 50/50 male female. That is of course if none of the "women" are guys pretending to be women and there is a lot of those on the personals.

And the vast majority of readers do not post on the boards. For that matter, most authors do not either and the jury is out on how many male/female authors are here because again some people are misleading,

 

[sr71plt]

In other words, there's absolutely no way to determine the true mix.

 

[lovecraft68]

This message is hidden because sr71plt is on your ignore list.

Hmmmm peaceful.

 

[sr71plt]

Sort of makes you the fool coming or going, LC. If you aren't reading my posts and yet commenting on what you haven't read, you're obviously a fool. Conversely, if you say you aren't reading the posts but obviously are, you seem to think others can't see you playing them for fools.

 

[CarolinaPeach]

The points I was making have to do with , maybe, hiking up the read numbers but they're your stories and God forbid that I or anyone else should change the way you write or the perspective you use.

Well, I have to admit, I write for myself. I want to be the best writer I can be, hence this thread. And I've gotten lots of helpful feedback, yours included. But I am not interested in tailoring my stories to gain numbers.

My greatest hope, in doing this Literotica thing, is to improve my writing and give pleasure to others. In that order. I'd rather be good than popular. Although we all want to be like Will Shakespeare and do both.

Erotic stories from the female perspective are something I love to read and you do them rather well.

I thank you very much for this, it gives me heart.

 

[Derroreaper]

You are confusing forum members who post with readers in total. A fairly bold leap to my way of thinking.

I agree the comparison is open to criticism so I will put it aside.

I have no interest in having an online argument with you; you have your opinion and I have mine.

If it's OK with you I'd like to leave it at that.

I didn't confuse anything, you just started making assumptions again.

I'd love to leave it at that, but you seem to need the last word. I based my opinion on something I can actually see. You based yours on what, a narrow minded guess? And then you say I took a bold leap?

Please, get real...