Crying...Good or bad?

[Killishandra]

*double take*

I find that childish humiliation techniques work wonders.

Take this simple game.

Sit of top of victim as she lays on her back and pin her down with your weight. Then grab her wrists and force her to slap (or punch, depending on how she holds her fists) herself repeatedly, all while taunting "Why are you hitting yourself? Why do you keep hitting yourself?" in the most annoying fashion you can muster.

The slaps can get harder to taste, but this game will force tears of frustration out of even the hardiest of souls. There is something very humiliating about being struck by your own hand and not being able to do anything about it. Coupled with the unpredictability of the hits, it becomes a VERY difficult annoyance to ignore.

Dear God. If Marquis didn't have a pic posted, I'd be wondering if he was actually my big brother.

To all the PYL's out there, if you want to make your pyl cry, just call their parents' house and talk to their siblings. I think each one of my brothers and sisters have figured out at least one unique way to make me cry over the years. I swear I come from a family of sadists sometimes.

On a side note, I cry pretty easily. I have different fun intimacy issues to work on.

 

[TaintedB]

I find that childish humiliation techniques work wonders.

Take this simple game.

Sit of top of victim as she lays on her back and pin her down with your weight. Then grab her wrists and force her to slap (or punch, depending on how she holds her fists) herself repeatedly, all while taunting "Why are you hitting yourself? Why do you keep hitting yourself?" in the most annoying fashion you can muster.

The slaps can get harder to taste, but this game will force tears of frustration out of even the hardiest of souls. There is something very humiliating about being struck by your own hand and not being able to do anything about it. Coupled with the unpredictability of the hits, it becomes a VERY difficult annoyance to ignore.

My god, my sisters and I used to do that to each other when we were young. All the time! I hadn't thought of that in years. With us though, I guess because we were kids, we used to collapse in laugher during it.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Irresistible Force meets Immovable Object

Now I'm sorta worried that the man knows me that well.

It's simply a matter of paying attention to detail.

... Or do you let it slide, and come back and visit it again later, maybe when you've gotten your "hooks" a little deeper into the pyl's psyche? Once those hooks are there, you can use them maybe to tweak a little bit or something I guess. I don't know, I've never tried it.

Now you're starting to think.

 

[TaintedB]

Suppose you have a pyl who is not a crier. I've cried I think three times in the 18 months. Once was from pain, once was from betrayal and I'm not even gonna go into what happened the last time. But in general, I don't cry and I fight it tooth and nail or find other ways to express the emotion. Some more healthier than others, but that's not so unusual. Anyway.

So, if you have a pyl that doesn't cry and fights it, and by extension, you, where do you go from there? Force the issue or let it go? Would a refusal to give in trigger a punitive response?

If I were a dom with a pretty stoic sub, I wouldn't force her to cry through pain. I'd be too concerned about breaking her that way, as stoicism is a signal, to me, of something that might break if you bend it too much. But if she wanted the release of crying, I'd find other, emotional ways to get to her. There are things you can do to most submissives that aren't hurtful or abusive but that work well at bringing up memories which are sometimes shocking and sad, but which are good to think about as an adult and to release.

 

[rosco rathbone]

It's simply a matter of paying attention to detail.

Yeah, it's all about the groundwork. Like the spies who sneak in a week before the invasion and then take over the television station at H-Hour.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Yeah, it's all about the groundwork.

And rather than "leave no stone unturned," let the partner turn them for you.

Kind of a sweet, lazy, mindfuckery all of it's own, correct?

 

[rosco rathbone]

And rather than "leave no stone unturned," let the partner turn them for you.

Kind of a sweet, lazy, mindfuckery all of it's own, correct?

Totally. You never learn the good stuff with the ol' interrogation.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Totally. You never learn the good stuff with the ol' interrogation.

you guys shouldnt give away all your domly secrets ya know.

 

[rosco rathbone]

you guys shouldnt give away all your domly secrets ya know.

Not worried. You can't learn kung-fu by watching Bruce Lee movies.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Not worried. You can't learn kung-fu by watching Bruce Lee movies.

ya sure?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

One word

ya sure?

Disinformation.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Disinformation.

ohhhhhhhhhh ok i think

 

[Marquis]

ohhhhhhhhhh ok i think

Man, you guys are good.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Man, you guys are good.

he just brainwashed me or something with one word didn't he.

 

[graceanne]

And you can bet the body part of your choice if i chose to go there, it wouldn't be the flat spoon variety.You can't have him. Keep stamping your feet though and you might get lucky and hit your own foot ...

ROFLMAO

 

[graceanne]

never mind.

 

[graceanne]

I find that childish humiliation techniques work wonders.

Take this simple game.

Sit of top of victim as she lays on her back and pin her down with your weight. Then grab her wrists and force her to slap (or punch, depending on how she holds her fists) herself repeatedly, all while taunting "Why are you hitting yourself? Why do you keep hitting yourself?" in the most annoying fashion you can muster.

The slaps can get harder to taste, but this game will force tears of frustration out of even the hardiest of souls. There is something very humiliating about being struck by your own hand and not being able to do anything about it. Coupled with the unpredictability of the hits, it becomes a VERY difficult annoyance to ignore.

K did that to me once. I laughed my ass off. It was fun.

 

[TaintedB]

I think you just need a more skilled tormentor. I've yet to meet a little girl I couldn't make cry.

Is your real name "George" by any chance?

 

[TaintedB]

Once again, I find myself agreeing with AA.

Tears mean I have reduced him to his utter base level. I have stripped away the walls and laid open an inner core. Not the fake, squeezed out tear or two, but the uncontrolled stream. When the flush of embarassment is added, all the better for then I know they sincere.

Keep in mind, my subs are male. For me to push a man to the point of tears means I have taken him somewhere he cannot go himself, after all boys don't cry. In a way, he is gone and there is only me for a moment. I put him there, I took him apart, I exposed him, and only I can put him back. What's not to like? *grin*

This is admirable. Getting a stoic woman to cry is a piece of cake compared to getting the average man to cry, given the different cultural conditions. But I think it takes more than just the physical at times. I've witnessed a scene in which every inch of skin on a guy's butt was so open and bleeding that it looked like it had been flayed (although I personally think flaying would have been less painful than what he endured) and he was nowhere near tears. But we're talking about a very heavy masochist here.

 

[schmerzgarten]

Tears and freedom....

TBut I think it takes more than just the physical at times. I've witnessed a scene in which every inch of skin on a guy's butt was so open and bleeding that it looked like it had been flayed (although I personally think flaying would have been less painful than what he endured) and he was nowhere near tears. But we're talking about a very heavy masochist here.

imho.... A dominant's words can cut much deeper, elicit a much more raw emotion than any implement, which needn't be negative, rather simply raw and thus evoking tears. And, sometimes the tears are not so much of pain but of absolute freedom, if that makes any sense.

 

[dolf]

This is admirable. Getting a stoic woman to cry is a piece of cake compared to getting the average man to cry, given the different cultural conditions. But I think it takes more than just the physical at times. I've witnessed a scene in which every inch of skin on a guy's butt was so open and bleeding that it looked like it had been flayed (although I personally think flaying would have been less painful than what he endured) and he was nowhere near tears. But we're talking about a very heavy masochist here.

urm...making men cry is actually pretty easy.

you can beat them till your arm falls off without a tear but if you get inside their heads one sentence can reduce them to a sobbing mess.

the fact that they repress those emotions and try not to cry makes it so much easier once you know there to apply the pressure.

 

[Quint]

See, my problem is that some part of my brain I don't have a direct link to has come to associate tears with sadness. It's fucked up, but when I start to cry, even if they are catalyzed by happy things, I inevitably get depressed. So when T makes me sob in nothing more than good ol' humiliation and agony, it starts to really hurt emotionally. Sometimes we can work through this and transform the whole experience into catharsis; however, the majority of the time it leaves me curled up and sullen in a corner of the bedroom, needing and loathing aftercare at the same time. Somewhat of a point of frustration for T, as he is with the majority of the bullies on this thread.

Am I completely alone in this emotional-evolution-gone-awry?

 

[Marquis]

See, my problem is that some part of my brain I don't have a direct link to has come to associate tears with sadness. It's fucked up, but when I start to cry, even if they are catalyzed by happy things, I inevitably get depressed. So when T makes me sob in nothing more than good ol' humiliation and agony, it starts to really hurt emotionally. Sometimes we can work through this and transform the whole experience into catharsis; however, the majority of the time it leaves me curled up and sullen in a corner of the bedroom, needing and loathing aftercare at the same time. Somewhat of a point of frustration for T, as he is with the majority of the bullies on this thread.

Am I completely alone in this emotional-evolution-gone-awry?

I like that man T, sounds like a good chap.

 

[Quint]

I like that man T, sounds like a good chap.

Yeah, he's pretty swell.