Daddy Doms....are there any real ones?

[Netzach]

Uh, why can't someone have a Sugar Daddy and plus furthermore in addition be in a D/g relationship?

Don't mind me, I just wonder if H being a money slave makes me a fake. The minute people start admitting that you can play with money and power people get very weird.

 

[Chris_Xavier]

Personally speaking, I don't see anything wrong with alyse having a sugar daddy and claiming it to be a D/g relationship. She is (supposedly) of the age of consent and her personal kink is her personal kink.

HM and Etoile both have the right to their opinion about alyse's lifestyle but at the end of the day, who is being harmed by it? Alyse is happy with her situation and shouldn't be disparaged for it. After all, what about the "professional" Dominatrix and her economic compensation for services rendered?

 

[Primalex]

Uh, why can't someone have a Sugar Daddy and plus furthermore in addition be in a D/g relationship?

I guess because the terms are considered mutually exclusive, like "wife" and "whore". If you buy your wife flowers, it doesn't make her a whore.

 

[Primalex]

economic compensation for services rendered

This is so... cute.

 

[Etoile]

Uh, why can't someone have a Sugar Daddy and plus furthermore in addition be in a D/g relationship?

Don't mind me, I just wonder if H being a money slave makes me a fake. The minute people start admitting that you can play with money and power people get very weird.

I'm sorry if that was the impression you got from what I said, though I think you know me well enough that you didn't read me that way. My comments were based on the fact that alyse was presenting her relationship as one thing when it certainly appears to be something else.

I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive, I'm saying that if you get them mixed up, I will help you see reason.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Don't question my authority, because I know of what I speak, and I will smack you down.

Girl-fight! Girl-fight! I wanna watch!

Oh... sorry... I shouldn't be encouraging them should I?

And why did I hear that last line of Etoile's in Cartman's voice? ? ?

 

[BiBunny]

Personally speaking, I don't see anything wrong with alyse having a sugar daddy and claiming it to be a D/g relationship. She is (supposedly) of the age of consent and her personal kink is her personal kink.

HM and Etoile both have the right to their opinion about alyse's lifestyle but at the end of the day, who is being harmed by it? Alyse is happy with her situation and shouldn't be disparaged for it. After all, what about the "professional" Dominatrix and her economic compensation for services rendered?

A pro Domme calling herself a pro Domme and a "sugar baby" or whatever the fuck they are claiming knowledge of of Daddy/girl are two totally different things. But I can't imagine why you'd understand that.

 

[Primalex]

A pro Domme calling herself a pro Domme and a "sugar baby" or whatever the fuck they are claiming knowledge of of Daddy/girl are two totally different things. But I can't imagine why you'd understand that.

Of course she never claimed to be in a D/g relationship or that having a Sugar Daddy would be the same as a D/g relationship. Maybe Alyse has a 24/7 TPE D/s relationship. I have no idea. You have no idea either. She didn't mention it and the rest is just Etoile and Hottie freaking out that there is the off-chance someone was out to slander D/g relationships.

 

[BiBunny]

Of course she never claimed to be in a D/g relationship or that having a Sugar Daddy would be the same as a D/g relationship. Maybe Alyse has a 24/7 TPE D/s relationship. I have no idea. You have no idea either. She didn't mention it and the rest is just Etoile and Hottie freaking out that there is the off-chance someone was out to slander D/g relationships.

That means you're talking out of your ass, too, then, doesn't it?

 

[Primalex]

That means you're talking out of your ass, too, then, doesn't it?

Care to elaborate?

 

[Etoile]

The reason I get defensive about this is because a lot of people, including major kinksters, do not understand D/g. We've had tons of threads about the subject, so hopefully most people here are up on it, but if you're not I'll direct you to a thread: Daddy Doms and the girls who love them. If you don't want to read all 13 pages, just read this article, which is referred to in that thread.

D/g is not the same thing as sugar daddy. Again, they are not mutually exclusive, as some sugar daddy relationships can turn into D/g. But if you think sugar daddy IS D/g, you are wrong wrong wrong.

 

[Etoile]

Of course she never claimed to be in a D/g relationship or that having a Sugar Daddy would be the same as a D/g relationship. Maybe Alyse has a 24/7 TPE D/s relationship. I have no idea. You have no idea either. She didn't mention it and the rest is just Etoile and Hottie freaking out that there is the off-chance someone was out to slander D/g relationships.

Primalex, the thread is about D/g. Alyse came in and started talking about sugar daddy. What I have been trying to say is that she is talking about something else. I don't give a rat's ass what other relationships she might have, and I don't know her personally. What I am saying is that Alyse came in talking about oranges, but the thread is about apples.

Jesus.

Christ.

 

[HottieMama]

Of course she never claimed to be in a D/g relationship or that having a Sugar Daddy would be the same as a D/g relationship. Maybe Alyse has a 24/7 TPE D/s relationship. I have no idea. You have no idea either. She didn't mention it and the rest is just Etoile and Hottie freaking out that there is the off-chance someone was out to slander D/g relationships.

Dude, read her post. She stated that "daddy" comes to see her a few times a month and "dominates her." Doesn't sound like 24/7, TPE to me in the least. Sounds like she bottoms for a rich fucker with a pigtails and bobby sock fetish.

And yes, for her to equate her relationship to mine or Etoile's is an attempt to cheapen our relationships. i will most certainly speak out against that.

He comes to see me a few times a month and dominates me. He pays for my apartment and gives me a 5K allowance every month and a credit card to shop with. It's definitely the way to go if you need to be taken care of.

 

[BiBunny]

I have no idea. You have no idea either.

That means you're talking out of your ass, too, then, doesn't it?

Care to elaborate?

Well, if you don't know, and you say I don't know, then I think I came to the obvious conclusion.

 

[HottieMama]

The reason I get defensive about this is because a lot of people, including major kinksters, do not understand D/g. We've had tons of threads about the subject, so hopefully most people here are up on it, but if you're not I'll direct you to a thread: Daddy Doms and the girls who love them. If you don't want to read all 13 pages, just read this article, which is referred to in that thread.

D/g is not the same thing as sugar daddy. Again, they are not mutually exclusive, as some sugar daddy relationships can turn into D/g. But if you think sugar daddy IS D/g, you are wrong wrong wrong.

You are AWESOME!!!

Just sayin'

 

[DeservingBitch]

Dude, read her post. She stated that "daddy" comes to see her a few times a month and "dominates her." Doesn't sound like 24/7, TPE to me in the least. Sounds like she bottoms for a rich fucker with a pigtails and bobby sock fetish.

And yes, for her to equate her relationship to mine or Etoile's is an attempt to cheapen our relationships. i will most certainly speak out against that.

Why do you feel that Alyse relationship with her sugar daddy -- whatever it is -- cheapens yours and Etoile's relationship?

Is it because she claims D/s or D/g where you don't see it? If so, why/how does it cheapen your relationship? Would a vanilla person claiming that her relationship is D/s where you see none cheapen your relationship?

Or is it just because there's money involved? Or both?

I'm not trying to confront you here -- I'm seriously wondering where you're coming from.

ETA: To be clear, I do understand why Etoile and you feel strongly about this topic given all the crap that is being said about D/g and that you may be reacting against that. But this is not where my question is coming from.

 

[Primalex]

What I am saying is that Alyse came in talking about oranges, but the thread is about apples.

Then let's sum it up:

Apples are fine.
Oranges are fine.
You can have both.
Don't think they are the same.




Sigh no more, ladies, sigh no more, men were deceivers ever,
one foot in sea and one on shore, to one thing constant never.

 

[Etoile]

Why do you feel that Alyse relationship with her sugar daddy -- whatever it is -- cheapens yours and Etoile's relationship?

Is it because she claims D/s or D/g where you don't see it? If so, why/how does it cheapen your relationship? Would a vanilla person claiming that her relationship is D/s where you see none cheapen your relationship?

Or is it just because there's money involved? Or both?

I'm not trying to confront you here -- I'm seriously wondering where you're coming from.

I assume you wonder where I am coming from too?

I wouldn't say it cheapens my relationship. I have been in a D/g relationship for 7.5 yrs, you can read lots more in that thread I linked. I am pretty comfortable with my understanding of D/g. I'm just saying that it's not the same thing and to imply that it is, is incorrect.

Believe me, I would love to have a sugar daddy, what Alyse describes is pretty awesome. (Then again, I saw a similar thing on an episode of Intervention, and it was freaking scary.) But it's not the same thing as D/g. It just isn't. I'm just trying to clarify, for the purposes of this thread remaining on topic, that they are different.

 

[Etoile]

Then let's sum it up:

Apples are fine.
Oranges are fine.
You can have both.
Don't think they are the same.

YES!!

 

[DeservingBitch]

I assume you wonder where I am coming from too?

I wouldn't say it cheapens my relationship. I have been in a D/g relationship for 7.5 yrs, you can read lots more in that thread I linked. I am pretty comfortable with my understanding of D/g. I'm just saying that it's not the same thing and to imply that it is, is incorrect.

Believe me, I would love to have a sugar daddy, what Alyse describes is pretty awesome. (Then again, I saw a similar thing on an episode of Intervention, and it was freaking scary.) But it's not the same thing as D/g. It just isn't. I'm just trying to clarify, for the purposes of this thread remaining on topic, that they are different.

Oh - I get they are different, although not exclusive to one another.

This is why I mentioned that I understand why you would want to clarify the difference.

What I don't understand is why HM feels that Alyse's description of her relationship as D/g cheapens her or your relationship. Even if Alyse relationship IS an innacurate description of her relationship by most people's understanding of D/g, why/how does it cheapen other people's D/g relationship? That's the part that I don't get.

 

[graceanne]

Geez. Is everyone in the forum PMSing these days?

 

[HottieMama]

DB....simply put, if she equates her relationship and my relationship, i feel it "cheapens" D/g as a whole. My relationship is about what i can/do give, not what i get. For what she has presented HERE, hers is about what she gets. To imply that all girls are "in it" for the money, sheds a VERY unflattering light on the group as a whole.

 

[graceanne]

I keep saying I'm not gonna get involved, but oh well.

For gosh sakes, who cares? She's got a sugardaddy and you don't. It's her life and if she feels that it's a D/g relationship, is it going to really make any difference in your relationship? It only cheapens your relationship if you let it, and I wouldn't let a stranger have that much power over my relationship. She was trying to be helpful, and if you want to go into the public image of D/g relationship, the public thinks we're all fucked up. Live and let live, and all that. Geez.

Maybe this should be moved to one of the label threads, cause it's just an argument over perceptions of the D/g relationship. And while I'm not one to talk about hijacking, this is totally hijacking the OP's thread. (And I can honestly say I rarely hijack serious conversations. Or I try not to.)

 

[alyse]

Look, I know I don't have to explain myself to anyone, but him giving me the money is a form of subordinance in the first place. It emphasizes the unequality of the relationship, as in he provides the means for me to study, live, eat...has authority over me. Over any reward or punishment I receive. Just like my REAL father did when I lived with him. If you don't see the correlation here, that's your problem.

Oh, and as far as me misrepresenting something...are you kidding me? "HottieMama" 's screenname itself is the most misleading thing I've seen in my life.

Anyway, thanks so much to everyone who sent me PMs sympathizing with me over this ridiculous, incredibly self-righteous attack. It certainly helps raise my impression of the place.

 

[Netzach]

Another question:

If I had a relationship with H in which I was a spoilt out of control enfante terrible Dominant little girl who kicks her Daddy in the shins when he doesn't give me what I want, am I cheapening D/g? Am I out to usurp other people's relationships?

As I see it everyone's responsible for their own stuff and people are going to do things radically differently from you and bend your label. It doesn't mean you get to be a dick because someone else is not the right kind of little.

She's not implying anything, she came across as in it for the money, but I think the money actually has more significance than that. It's why I've always ditched on the "spoiled young and shallow" role in money games, because frankly it feels too D/g to get me off. I'm more of the holy altar kind of gal.